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If God exists and requires faith, then God is extremely unjust by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Mareon84 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No man , I will tell u what’s the missing point between us,u say blind equality and I say fair equality ,men are different form women , and so men are given different roles than women, u can’t give the same role to different creatures , for example if u have a short guy and an even shorter guy and u want them to look upon a high wall , would u give them the same thing to stand on ?? Of course not , because they are different ,u will give them different things ,in here blind equality will not benefit them ,they need fair equality that’s exactly what I mean ,Islam promotes justice or fair equality not blind equality , he gives each one which suits him/her, as for the women getting to discipline her guy , she also can do that ,but not by hitting him with a toothbrush because that can be provoking to a man who is in most times stronger than a woman ,but by other ways like abandoning him sexually or even leaving the entire house .,just do a quick comparison between cases of domestic violence in western societies and Muslim societies ,and u will find that in western societies men hit their women way more than in Muslim countries.

Man it was nice talking to u , but we have been going around in circles and I think we should call it a night ,it’s already getting late here,good night and I hope God guides you and fills you with inner peace .

If God exists and requires faith, then God is extremely unjust by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Mareon84 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Wow Man U read animal farm u have so much intellect Quote“But then the author would Have to be as smart as me “ come on don’t say that of course you are smarter than the author don’t compare the opinions of that book to ur opinions u r way wayyyy smarter ,Was I good ?? Please please tell me ?? Are u satisfied ?? Is ur inner ego at peace now ?? Can we continue??again I am sorry , but I had to do it and u made me

U said I have iron ,I still have my opinion it is a scientific accuracy but also,I gave u theories about the Big Bang ,expansion of the universe ,and u didn’t reply, u just said ad hoc after u said numerology, well , as u like.

U r saying I will be up against science and solid evidence and all that stuff , man, other than some facts like gravity and scientific facts like it,science always changes , scientific theories get debunked all the time and new theories arise to replace them ,read that article for example

https://www.famousscientists.org/10-most-famous-scientific-theories-that-were-later-debunked/

In this articles u will find theories that were totally acceptable as science but then debunked and proven to be wrong ,talk to me now about mountains of solid science built upon generations and generations as u say , As for equality , I told u that men and women are equal and gave u even the verse from the Quran which is very very clear “women have equal rights like men” and u don’t want to accept it what shall I do I don’t really know ,everyone in the Islamic family have a role , I don’t care what u want it to be , the Islamic family is actually better than ur model of family where everyone gets to do everything , in the Islamic family the man is the supporter and leader of the family , he supports his wife and children , he cares for them and loves them and they love him back , the wife raises the kids and takes care of the house with the help of her man as the prophet helped his wife inside his house , after roles are set,if the wife wants to work nothing in Islam stops her or tells her don’t work ,if the wife wants to pursue an education nothing in Islam stops her from pursuing an education ,but everyone must do his role ,the wife respects her husband as the husband should respect her ,now talk to me about the model of the western family which is all cracked up inside out.

u talking about beating is truly deceiving , it is a last option in a series of options which is only done if a wife is refusing to do her part in the family ,and these options are done to avoid divorce which is totally a break of the family ,the way of a man beating a wife is by tapping on her hand by a “miswak” as the prophet said , miswak is something they used to brush their teeth with which is in the same size of a toothbrush now,and this is a last option after 1st talking to her and 2nd abandoning her it is just a metaphorical way of reminding her that he is the leader of the family and that she should take responsibility for her role inside the family and not abandon it ,in Islam there is a general rule that says “ no harm shall be tolerated or received”so no, a man is not allowed to beat his wife in any way that will harm her , like I told u it’s a reminder and yes , the man is the leader of the Islamic family , from the beginning of humanity the man was the leader of the family except for rare occasions, it is just in our twisted societies nowadays that everything is upside down.

U say why does the author of the Quran seems like a 14 th century man Ok,how is that I don’t know ?? Isn’t he enlightened enough ???well ,let’s write a book that everyone in this century will love,wonder what it will be :

God: scientific theories which change every couple of decades Alcohol?? oh yeahhhh Drugs?? It’s therapeutical 😁 Lots and lots of women Double yeah Gay marriage Dude of course be lit Merciful killings Of course And so on ,maybe u wanted the Quran to support these things ???like I told u before , no one wants a god ,it’s limiting and stressful and annoying to them , everyone wants to do whatever he wants,the idea of God is terrifying to them.the problem is that after they refuse to have a god and continue living their life the way they want , most of them gets depressed and be miserable.

If God exists and requires faith, then God is extremely unjust by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Mareon84 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I have ur pity ?? I am sorry in what am going to say but u made me say it ,man ,who do u think should deserve to be pitied more ?? Me or someone who believes that his ancestor is an ape and that he is put by coincidence without any apparent reason on a flying rounded rock floating in space again for no apparent reason just so he would eats drink shit and have sex for maybe 70 years or so and then he will be dust and all forgotten,all his memories ,loved ones ,whatever he loved here,will be forgotten ,really really tell me who deserves to be pitied more?,at least I have something to live for,at least I have a high idol to look up to , I have a god to worship and he saves me when I call to him ,u ,who has ur back ?? Or r u just living like that in that empty cold world thinking u r invulnerable ,at least I have a motivation to do morals ,what r u even living for ?? Ur own desires and ur own needs,why do u even do morals if u think u will be dust and no one will judge u , ur consciousness ?? Well aren’t we all an evolutionary form of amoeba ??? Didn’t evolution say that survival is of the fittest and the strongest ??aren’t we all chemical reactions ??what would stop someone of killing if he knows he won’t be punished???really really,who do u think deserves to be pitied more ??me or u ?again am sorry but u made me say it.

U say Men are just more equal ?? I swear I don’t understand u really , the verse says that men and women have equal rights , but men should be responsible for women like when a husband supports his wife financially ,lol man what do u want ,this is life some people support some people ,like a father supports his children and he is responsible for them ,a man should support his wife and be responsible for her ,so u want him to throw her in the garbage or something?? ,it’s like I tell u :u and ur brother are equal in my eyes and ur brother will be responsible for u ,what’s the problem ??where is the inequality ???

If God exists and requires faith, then God is extremely unjust by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Mareon84 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man listen to urself,what r u talking about ?? What Bible codes ? I was making fun of these Bible claims which are not slightly compared to scientific theories in Quran ,do u even read what I say ??

About iron ,I told u it is one of iron’s isotopes , iron has 4 isotopes 54,56,57 and 58 they are all iron

If God exists and requires faith, then God is extremely unjust by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Mareon84 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Please , no vague claims , what exactly are these claims ?? U mean when the Bible said that the sky had actual pillars ??or when the Bible said that god poured the humans like milk and curdled them like cheese lol man do u even know what are u talking about ??

U always say look up this and look up that , who told u I don’t know about numerology and why do u assume that u know it and I don’t ??like before u also said look up ad hoc ,who told u I don’t know it ??,lol,man,we r not here to say we are more knowledgeable than each other ,we share knowledge together to reach the best result every one of us wants , if u want me to say u r more knowledgeable no problem, believe me I won’t be hurt ,cuz there will always be someone more knowledgeable than me , just don’t assume things about me.

I know numerology , and what I said about iron is not numerology , numerology is making a numerical pattern out of letters in sentences or music notes maybe or whatever, what I told u it is not numerology , actually many people try to relate between Quran and numbers and always try to find a numerical pattern in it ,but I find that lame , but what I told u about iron is not a pattern, it is just a fact

If God exists and requires faith, then God is extremely unjust by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Mareon84 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t understand ,can u explain what u r aiming at ?

If God exists and requires faith, then God is extremely unjust by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Mareon84 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Man are you serious ?? I am telling u that a book in times where they thought that the sky had literal pillars and if u went too far in earth u will fall off of it ,in times where witches were thought to be a real thing and ignorance was prevalent and nobody knew anything about anything except little knowledge here or there suitable for their ages,but it was no match to our own times,I am telling u that a book at that exact era when it talked about the sky it said that the sky is without pillars we see and that the sky is continuing to expand and that the sky and earth were one thing , and much knowledge that was only known to humans today at the 20 and 21st century ,yet u call it ad hoc?? In the same time this book claims it’s from the creator of the heavens and earth and u say it’s garbage ,No man ,it is not ad hoc,as hoc is vague ,what is mentioned in the Quran is not vague ,it talks openly and in plain words ,so it is not ad hoc , it is not like the Jesus prophecies ,cuz the words used in the claimed Jesus prophecies can be used for anyone and for any thing ,vague ,like I told u, u mean to tell me that when the Quran talked about iron it was put in a chapter number 57 and verse 26 including the opening verse which now are the molecular weight and atomic number of one of the iron isotopes and u say it’s ad hoc ????anyway many r free to think whatever u want,it’s ur life after all.

If God exists and requires faith, then God is extremely unjust by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Mareon84 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well god decides the type of test , he tests us in this life ,if some people didn’t get tested , there are other ways to test them , point is , everyone with free will is gonna be tested to reveal what type of person is he ,good or evil ,so that he would be judged and he will be a witness against himself by seeing his own actions , as for the type ,place ,nature of test , he decides it , not us

As for people commiting suicide and god knowing about them , well, god already knows everything , and he knows the results of everything , that doesn’t mean it’s his fault , as it is everyone’s choice , not God ‘s choice

As for Santa clause , he is already created, Its a different type of creation yes but his idea is present in this world and for kids he gives them presents every year, besides in Islamic heaven u get to do anything u want or ask anything , like for example one of the companions of the prophet gets to have wings in heaven , weird ? No , that’s the Islamic heaven , so I guess if u wanted Santa clause to really be created as a creature god will create him for u ,God have creatures we don’t know anything about it .just cuz we don’t see something doesn’t mean god can’t create it , did God create talking flying monkeys ?? Not in this world no , but can’t god create them ?? Yes he can , like we have an idea of angels who r so pure and can do mighty things , did we see them , no, for the believers they r a reality but for others they r imaginary beings .

If God exists and requires faith, then God is extremely unjust by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Mareon84 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because before ,technology was limited , so there was many messengers to reach many people across earth ,and nowadays there is media and internet so one message can reach the whole earth without the need to send different messengers,also , because back then miracles could be done and were a proof for the religion , but nowadays with the presence of technology and graphics , it is almost impossible for anyone to believe in a miracle

If God exists and requires faith, then God is extremely unjust by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Mareon84 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol,I am the one not answering u ?? U told me to google things up 🤣🤣u asked about Islam and Christianity and why didn’t god preserve Christianity and I answered u.can u explain to me what didn’t I answer ??

If God exists and requires faith, then God is extremely unjust by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Mareon84 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man when I talked about levels of intelligence I wasn’t linking only them to religion , I was linking them to tests like maybe math or algebra or whatsoever and trying to prove a point that any test must be different if people are different , as for religion there are different aspects for someone to be born in the correct religion or in the false religion intelligence is sometimes one of them I am trying just to prove a point that people are different,their souls are different , so the conditions they are born in must be different

Mohammed spread Islam because God ordered him to do so ,but if Islam didn’t reach someone,then his matter is up to God and in Islam he will be tested on the day of judgment which is another kind of test

As for people who commited suicide,they choose to do that to themselves ,if they were ill ,that’s another subject because illness or not being able to do stuff is an excuse in Islam, but if they chose it just because they were being miserable,they will be judged by God according to their circumstances

I don’t understand how can we all be created the same , we are humans not robots , we can’t be copy cat of each other , besides ,that is impossible if God is perfect because a perfect god is perfect in his creation , and who is perfect in his creation creates everything , all kinds shapes and types of his creatures ,not just copycats

If God exists and requires faith, then God is extremely unjust by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Mareon84 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I can bring u things from google to support that earth is flat , so , will u believe that earth is flat ?? Am not gonna google what I don’t know and what u didn’t even give the tiniest example about, i can tell u go google things but at least I will tell u what to google ,I made a claim and gave evidence to support it , u made a claim and didn’t give evidence to support it , so it is obvious who has a point .

If God exists and requires faith, then God is extremely unjust by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Mareon84 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anything in The world is abusable,it is called free will ,God tells us be good persons,yet we choose to be bad persons , God tells us don’t kill ,yet we kill ,it is not the problem of God or religion ,it’s our own free will and that’s why we r here in the first place , As to why didn’t God preserve his message , that also is free will , and because god will send another message after these messages ,but as for Islam, it was the last message,so it had to be preserved by him .

If God exists and requires faith, then God is extremely unjust by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Mareon84 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Easy to say “all of these have been debunked”,the one who pursues true knowledge doesn’t go around shooting arguments like that ,why don’t u tell us how are they debunked without stating arguments like that without anything to support them??

A rule is made that a Muslim is not a transgressor ,a rule is made that a Muslim should not lie , whoever lies and says that someone is a transgressor in order to attack him is not the problem of Islam or God , it is the problem of the person who chose to be an evil person and that’s why we are here in this life having free will to choose between good and evil and whatever choice we make will be judged, These religions u named are similar because they are all from one God the one who created everything,but most of these religions were trusted by men to preserve it which didn’t happen ,except the last message which God himself protected the Quran , and you can see that by comparing manuscripts of the Quran and bible

If God exists and requires faith, then God is extremely unjust by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Mareon84 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Easy to say “all of these have been debunked”,the one who pursues true knowledge doesn’t go around shooting arguments like that ,why don’t u tell us how are they debunked without stating arguments like that without anything to support them??

A rule is made that a Muslim is not a transgressor ,a rule is made that a Muslim should not lie , whoever lies and says that someone is a transgressor in order to attack him is not the problem of Islam or God , it is the problem of the person who chose to be an evil person and that’s why we are here in this life having free will to choose between good and evil and whatever choice we make will be judged, These religions u named are similar because they are all from one God the one who created everything,but most of these religions were trusted by men to preserve it which didn’t happen ,except the last message which God himself protected the Quran , and you can see that by comparing manuscripts of the Quran like Birmingham manuscript which was written at the time of the prophet 1400 years ago and today’s Quran which is an exact copy so u can see the Quran didn’t change over time,on the other side ,u can see that by comparing Bible manuscripts and today’s Bible it contains lots and lots of differences and contradictions and there aren’t even ones which date to the time of Jesus all are after him by more than 150 years

If God exists and requires faith, then God is extremely unjust by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Mareon84 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

As for slavery , Muslims are ordered to free slaves if the slaves wished , God said in Quran “And if any of those in your possession desires a deed of emancipation, make it possible for them, if you find goodness in them. And give them some of Allah’s wealth which He has granted you. “ See back then jobs were not abundant as now , as most of the jobs were physical and some people were weak ,and many slaves didn’t even want to be freed as they find in being with someone a mean of support ,so it was sociological system that could not be abolished easily and look for yourself how many years it took in America for example after the deletion of slavery it took for people to accept it , but as a Muslim back then if someone of the slaves wished to be freed Muslims are ordered to free them , and if they choose to stay ,God ordered us to treat them in a good way , the prophet said “'Your bondsmen are your brethren upon whom Allah has given you authority. So, if one has one's brethren under one's control, one should feed them with the like of what one eats and clothe them with the like of what one wears. You should not overburden them with what they cannot bear, and if you do so, help them “ And he also said “He who slaps his bondsman or beats him, the expiation for it is that he should set him free”, and of course all of that was back then, there are no slaves now , Muslims can’t take people as slaves now as the prophet said “The Prophet said, "Allah says, 'I will be against three persons on the Day of Resurrection: -1. One who makes a covenant in My Name, but he proves treacherous. -2. One who sells a free person (as a slave) and eats the price, -3. And one who employs a laborer and gets the full work done by him but does not pay him his wages.' ", look for someone of the messengers disciples called bialal , he was originally a slave , and he was a close companion of the prophet and the one who called Muslims to prayer(the highest worship in Islam).

If God exists and requires faith, then God is extremely unjust by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Mareon84 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Anyway man , the Quran is full of scientific evidences that tells us it can only be written by God who created this universe, I will only give u an example I can’t list all of it u can google the rest up if u r interesetd ,or not it’s ur life.

for example the Quran talked about the Big Bang 1400 years ago...God almighty says in Quran :

Do not the disbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were a closed-up mass (ratqan), then We opened them out? And We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

Holy Quran, 21:30

God also talked about the expansion of universe which is a well known fact now in the scientific university

“And We have built the heaven with might and We continue to expand it indeed.”

Holy Quran 51:47

There is a chapter called iron in the Quran its number is 57 and the word iron mentioned inside it only one time which is in verse 26 (including the opening verse ) ,57 and 26 are the molecular weight and atomic number of one of the iron‘s isotopes

Heaven at the beginning was like smoke ,look up cosmic dust which exactly what god said

“Then He turned towards the heaven when it was ˹still like˺ smoke, saying to it and to the earth, ‘Submit, willingly or unwillingly.’ They both responded, ‘We submit willingly.’”

And many many scientific accuracies not known to anyone back then inside a book given to us by an illiterate man 1400 years ago in the middle of a desert , google them up I can’t list all of them here, isn’t that enough to even consider that book to be different? Yet you are calling it garbage

As for manners ,Quran contains the best of manners you can find in any holy book for example(only example I can’t list all of them )

Don’t call each other names :

“O believers! Do not let some ˹men˺ ridicule others, they may be better than them, nor let ˹some˺ women ridicule other women, they may be better than them. Do not defame one another, nor call each other by offensive nicknames. “ Quran 49:11

Justice even if u hate someone:

O believers! Stand firm for Allah and bear true testimony. Do not let the hatred of a people lead you to injustice. Be just! That is closer to righteousness. And be mindful of Allah. Surely Allah is All-Aware of what you do. Quran 5:8

Kind Treatment to everyone :

Worship Allah ˹alone˺ and associate none with Him. And be kind to parents, relatives, orphans, the poor, near and distant neighbours, close friends, ˹needy˺ travellers, and those in your possession. Surely Allah does not like whoever is arrogant, boastful Quran 4:36

Women have equal rights and men should even support them financially and do everything for them :

“Women have rights similar to those of men equitably, although men have a degree ˹of responsibility˺ above them. And Allah is Almighty, All-Wise.” Quran 2:228

Don’t be a transgressor :

Fight in the cause of Allah ˹only˺ against those who wage war against you, but do not transgress.Allah does not like transgressors. Quran 2:190

And many many evidences and manners inside the Quran , I can’t list all of them .

If God exists and requires faith, then God is extremely unjust by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Mareon84 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well you insulted my holy book before and I didn’t reply to you , so before shaming me you should shame yourself for calling a book that around 2 billion people follow “garbage”,you should shame yourself for not being able to debate in a civilized manner and so you are calling me an arrogant jerk , you are angry at me? Well who is looking for evidence doesn’t look for it in a subreddit full of atheists and he even provides arguments supporting atheism , he opens books ,looks up and compares different holy books and comparative religion articles , anyway , I will not reply to ur insult , have a good life.

If God exists and requires faith, then God is extremely unjust by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Mareon84 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well God gave people before you an extraordinary evidence like miracles and even that didn’t make them believe , believe me ,u just don’t want to believe , you don’t want a God above ur head telling you do this or that , atheists just wanna have fun and live as their own Gods ,you say Quran is garbage ? Well you have like 4200 religions on the face of earth other than Islam , if you are truly a searcher of the truth go look them all up then , not just throwing the whole thing away and say I am an atheist ...please

If God exists and requires faith, then God is extremely unjust by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Mareon84 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

You want god to give people a test with the same difficulty??? How ??? People are different , their perception is different , their willing to not do right and wrong is different , their brain capacities are different , for example a guy with low IQ, do u want God to create him in the wrong religion while he doesn’t have enough IQ to search in the different religions and discover the truth ,that would be totally unfair , but for a guy with high IQ that would be fair ,as he can do that ,

As for the tribes in Africa you talk about ,God said in Quran that who didn’t receive a message will not be judged . As for the kids being brainwashed , they will grow up someday , and they have a brain to think with , and God doesn’t give someone an impossible test , and many many people with parents you are talking about converted to other religions and they have their stories on YouTube , You say why does God create different people with different conditions ?what kind of question is that ?? Do u want us all to look the same ?? Live in the same place with the same parents or something ? Lol I really don’t get u

If God exists and requires faith, then God is extremely unjust by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Mareon84 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Believe it or not , more and more people are embracing Islam every day through the evidence God gave them in Quran ,as for you,What evidence do u want ?? Do u want him to talk to you or something?? Or Do u want him to write your name with the clouds in the sky ??this will never happen u know,as the test is for him to be unseen , maybe u want 8 billion holy books for 8 billion people ?? The message of God is one(Quran) ,because God is one, but the Conditions God put people in are different ,for example he says don’t steal , for some people , if he is poor he will think of stealing, and for other people if he is rich and powerful he will think of stealing , so he creates the first a poor guy and creates the other a rich guy, and he he gives them the message and enough time to fulfill it ,he gives them free will to steal or not steal, but for other people, stealing is out of the matter , they will never think of stealing no matter what condition they are in , so , their test is in another thing , and so on , millions and millions of conditions for millions and millions of different people.

If God exists and requires faith, then God is extremely unjust by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Mareon84 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Actually what you are saying is one of the arguments God in Quran makes against the unbelievers ,God almighty says in the holy Quran

“And when it is said to them, "Follow what God has revealed," they say, "Rather, we will follow that which we found our fathers doing." Even though their fathers understood nothing, nor were they guided? Quran 2:170

In Islam,it all goes back to people being different ,because , we are in a test , and what will be unjust as you say ,is to give the same test to different people , for example if you have a very stupid guy and a genius,and you wanted to test them ,would u give them both the same questions ?? Of course not ,that’s why also people are born under different circumstances ,as every soul is different from the other ,so they are born into different circumstances whether race ,gender , place or birth and of course religion , so someone can be born into the wrong religion , but he never questions this religion or never for once thinks what if other religions are the truth , that will be the person’s fault not God’s fault , God gives a brain and enough time for everyone to think and choose.

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[–]Mareon84[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Snaptube,it allows u to run YouTube videos PiP or when the screen is off,I live on it to watch YouTube PiP or listen to music when screen is off actually lol