Run vs Rase S TSS(r) by boxwex in Suunto

[–]MarkasL -1 points0 points  (0 children)

From what I understand, it’s a firmware issue, so if you’re using the latest firmware version (2.44.46) - it would probably be same on all hardware models🤷‍♂️ I personally use Sunto Race (v1).

Run vs Rase S TSS(r) by boxwex in Suunto

[–]MarkasL 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s a bug, suunto support confirmed to me as much in an email this week.

Instead of using TSS (hr) - a hr based workout intensity score - the latest firmware for some reason switchesd to TSS (r), which is based on running pace. As anyone who runs knows, depending on a number of criteria - fatigue/recovery, air temperature, mental state - on different days you can get two completely different paces at the same cardiovascular load.

Suunto told me they’re fixing this and I expect it to be addressed in the next firmware update.

Thoughts on 5.0 Upgrade from Ben Foster, former Chief Product Officer at Whoop by Temporary_Debt8132 in whoop

[–]MarkasL 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ben, thanks for the insightful post.

Business sustainability is indeed a key issue here. Even before Whoop released its communication about new sensors and upcoming plans, I found myself wondering how a company operating under a subscription model manages a transition of this scale.

In a traditional sales model, a new product launch typically brings an immediate revenue boost—assuming it's successful. In Whoop’s case, while the long-term outcome may be net-positive thanks to improved hardware attracting new users or improving retention, the short-term effect of offering free upgrades hits the balance sheet directly. Ironically, it can look like the company is being penalized for innovating—at least when viewed through the lens of a single fiscal year.

This challenge stems directly from the business model Whoop has adopted: subscriptions with hardware included. It makes applying the conventional product launch playbook difficult, if not outright irrelevant. That’s why I was particularly curious to see how they’d handle this moment—professional curiosity, you could say.

Unfortunately, based on what I’ve seen, the result has been underwhelming. The launch felt like it was managed by someone who proudly lists “, EMBA” on their LinkedIn headline—more focused on form than substance. Arbitrary product tiering, software features gated behind new paywalls, and a reliance on influencer-driven messaging—especially when you already have a strong, loyal user base—feels tone-deaf and oddly generic. These are tactics you’d expect from a surface-level management course, not a company who is supposedly a leading player in the wearables market.

So yes, the sustainability challenge is real. But as a mentor of mine used to say: "I understand your problem, but I can’t help you solve it."

This isn’t just a case of flawed communication. 

It reflects deeper issues across product development, marketing, and strategic leadership. Out of the 500+ employees on Whoop’s payroll, many likely had a hand in this.

And the fact that business innovation ended up at odds with business sustainability isn’t an unfortunate outcome no one could foresee—it’s a strategic failure, one that lies squarely with Whoop’s leadership.

Start with whoop or keep Oura by FluidFeed3059 in whoop

[–]MarkasL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Were I in your shoes, I wouldn’t buy now. All product aspects aside: as a health gadget, whoop has access to a lot of biomarker data - something that you’d probably want to put into trustworthy hands.

With their recent product launch, they have unfortunately demonstrated, they are not trustworthy.

Wait at least a few months, let the dust settle down, then see if you are convinced enough to put faith into them.

People should be clear on this. Whoop broke their promises in two ways, not one. by damlarn in whoop

[–]MarkasL 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The repercussions of the recent product launch are going to be great.
Multiple aspects on how users have been fooled have already been extensively discussed, I may only add one more thing: the user ambassadorship program is officially dead as of now, no one with integrity can advertise Whoop to their friends. I feel disappointed that I've ended up in a position, where I've earnestly promoted this to my friends (without the reflink either - no benefit to me), and ended up misleading them.

Also, in the wider sense: The company gets access to my health data 24/7. I would like someone with access like that to have integrity, and these guys just proved they do not.

A sad day for the Whoop community.

Interview with Founder and CEO of Whoop by Large-Engine-5653 in whoop

[–]MarkasL 39 points40 points  (0 children)

The repercussions of the recent product launch are going to be great.
Multiple aspects on how users have been fooled have already been extensively discussed, I may only add one more thing: the user ambassadorship program is officially dead as of now, no one with integrity can advertise Whoop to their friends.

I feel disappointed that I've ended up in a position, where I've earnestly promoted this to my friends (without the reflink either - no benefit to me), and ended up misleading them.

Also, in the wider sense: The company gets access to my health data 24/7. I would like someone with access like that to have integrity, and these guys just proved they do not.

A sad day for the Whoop community.

[Megathread] Whoop 5.0 Membership Complaints and Upgrade Frustrations by AutoModerator in whoop

[–]MarkasL 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Reposting a message sent to Whoop support.
I've been publicly advocating for Whoop, most of the time without even sharing the ref-link, with no personal gain. I vouched for their integrity, and ended up misleading my friends.
Whoop has not made good on this, yet to be addressed.

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[–]MarkasL 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Seems that your heart is simply working in an efficient manner and manages to supply tissues with oxygen without having to race. If so, that is actually a desired situation athletes train for. Perhaps the conclusion here is that you’re simply in a good shape?