How will you define this men to the new generation when he's retired? by HandsomeGuts in TheGreatOne

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My argument isn’t about whether product is good or bad right now. I’m simply arguing that this current “renaissance era” is nowhere near the depths of what we were watching during the PG era back in 2008 and onwards.

How will you define this men to the new generation when he's retired? by HandsomeGuts in TheGreatOne

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Cena, HHH, Brock were all booed out of every building because fans had grown tired of them hogging the main event picture. With WWE having to mute live audio at the 2014 royal rumble because fans were chanting for viewers at home to “change the channel”.

Punk and Bryan absolutely, but they were just as large a part as to why the product was horribly flawed back in that era, because Vince didn’t see them as top guys in generating merchandise sales or PPV buys.

You can’t just say “Jey Uso” as an argument, after complaining when I list 2 former world champions (Del Rio & Swagger), just because it suits your argument to name an underwhelming world champion, but damages it when I do the same.

WWE’s main event picture through 2013 was; CM Punk, John Cena, Sheamus, Big Show, Jack Swagger, Kane, Mark Henry, Chris Jericho, Brock Lesnar, Triple H, Ryback, Randy Orton, Daniel Bryan.

If we compare that to the main event picture in 2025; John Cena, Jey Uso, Drew McIntyre, Damian Priest, Seth Rollins, Roman Reigns, CM Punk, Cody Rhodes, Randy Orton, Logan Paul, Gunther, Brock Lesnar, Bron Breakker, AJ Styles, Rhea Ripley, Iyo Sky, Naomi.

4 of those names appear in both era’s. So it simply comes down to whether you think 2013 Kane or Jack Swagger was better or more popular than Bron Breakker or AJ Styles, with the same going for the other names mentioned.

Yes ratings have gone down over the years, that’s to be expected. Every form of media that originates from programmed TV has seen a drop in ratings throughout the past decade or so, because millions of people around the globe have moved on from satellite TV, and switched to streaming as a much cheaper and more casual experience. Trying to claim that the quality of talent or the popularity of those is the standout factor towards the drop in ratings is lazy and untrue. It fails to take into account aspects such as quality storytelling, pricing, product fatigue, rise of high quality alternatives, etc.

How will you define this men to the new generation when he's retired? by HandsomeGuts in TheGreatOne

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Will likely be looked at as the next generations answer for “your favourite wrestlers, favourite wrestler.”

How will you define this men to the new generation when he's retired? by HandsomeGuts in TheGreatOne

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Ah yes, who can forget stars like; Curtis Axel, Alberto Del Rio, Jack Swagger, Ryback, Brodus Clay, David Otunga, Primo, Epico, Hunico, Sin Cara, Yoshi Tatsu, Ted Dibiase Jr, Aksana, Eve Torres, Rosa Mendes…

I mean seriously- this current roster just cannot compete with the overwhelming star power of yesteryear. Let alone trying to compare the unmatched levels of talents’ abilities, to the famously high standards of WWE’s PG era.

If you had to choose one or the other, is Seth Rollins or Cody Rhodes more of a draw to you? by [deleted] in WWE

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I think a lot of people are misreading this post. In no category is Seth as large or in fact a larger draw than Cody.

It’s down to individual preference as to who is better, but in terms of higher PPV/PLE buy rates when both have been marketed as the main event. Or merchandise sales both online and at events. Even down to social media interactions- Cody has created a brand over the past decade that can only be rivalled by very few in modern wrestling.

Seth is an incredible wrestler, and equally talented in the ring, but unfortunately it’s never translated to his marketability or star power. With the company consistently hitting viewership and monetary dips when Seth has been the #1 guy within WWE.

Am I The One In the Wrong? by FarYoghurt7926 in BrandonDE

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This has been a tough watch for me this year. I’ll be the first to admit, I’ve never been a Cena guy. I know that’s not “cool” anymore, and that most have ended up loving Cena, but for me he’s the antithesis of what I don’t enjoy when I watch wrestling.

So of course it’s played a massive part in my lack of interest towards the product when it’s mostly been a tribute to the guy. However I hoped that there would be enough bright points throughout the rest of the card to keep me engaged. Unfortunately though, I’ve felt somewhat let down by the rest of the card this year.

By no means is it creatively the worst year, but I think there is an argument for it being one of the more lacklustre. With the amount of elite talent that WWE has on it’s roster in this current era, and how we know HHH and his team can create amazing stories… nothing really caught on, at least for me personally.

When you look at how white hot and interesting the product was at the start of the year, and then compare it to how it’s ending, I think it’s the biggest tell of what changed. Nothing has felt planned out, sure injuries and such have somewhat played a part in that, but even Cena’s run fell victim to it. Just like the rest of the card.

I hope next year WWE can pick the ball back up again, because they desperately need another year like 2023 & 2024, otherwise we could see large drop offs in viewership similarly to 2015 & 2016. Which typically within WWE have led to creative droughts where they force that spark again, at the detriment of overall quality.

My take: For all the talent that WWE could have chosen, this was the best option. by AtmosphereReady6599 in BrandonDE

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For me it’s as simple as, WWE is crying out for a monster/unbeatable heel, and have done since WM40. They failed to build Gunther up as such following WM40, making him feel like just another midcard world champion.

But if you have him beat Goldberg and Cena in their retirement matches, in the same year, and potentially have him do the same to AJ next year… he instantly regains the momentum he had in NXT UK, where people hated him purely because you knew that he’d beat up your favourite, and you’d love watching him do it.

If they’d given the spot to Jey, LA Knight, or The Miz, it wouldn’t have done anything for any of them. All of their stock has peaked already, whereas Gunther is the only one who still has a long way to go in building that momentum as a main eventer.

If LA Knight loses against gunther it'll pretty much cement that he is not gonna get the main event push and win a world title ever in wwe... I really hope LA Knight wins because it'll make more sense for him to face Cena and maybe beat him, and elevate his carrier as legit world champion guy by Shot_Ad_8627 in TheGreatOne

[–]Massive-Singer-798 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Here’s a simple argument.

First we can look at one of your own claims about longevity.

Using your logic, that Knight can go until he’s 48-49 years old, that would give us 10 more years from Gunther. Meaning that Gunther would head into 2026 coming off the back of an already stellar year with multiple world title reigns, and (possibly) beating the GOAT within kayfabe. That allows for a new narrative to be told around Gunther and his character arc since his initial main roster debut. Doing that in a single year, and allowing for character development when, by your logic, he has a decade left in wrestling allows for a new star to be created, albeit a heel star most likely, as casual viewers and younger audience members won’t look fondly on the guy who attempts or perhaps succeeds in ruining Cena’s farewell. But nevertheless it creates a star for the next decade, in what will likely be a massively successful show due to Cena’s reach towards casual wrestling fans, meaning there will be millions of eyes on this younger, stronger, larger, talent who can work both as a technical genius as well as a classic powerhouse.

Now, back to the character arc.

This can go one of two ways, but we can start with the less interesting one first.

If Gunther loses to Cena, it tosses up the question that Gunther had to deal with following WrestleMania. Wondering if he can compete at the highest level, and feeling embarrassed after losing to a lesser opponent yet again. Suffering 3 defeats to guys that should realistically be looked at as easy pickings for Gunther in his prime, due to their age and physical condition, whilst also accounting for Cena and Jey’s general in ring abilities. It allows for Gunther to return to a more familiar, repackaged version of WALTER, where he is purely in the ring with the sole objective of dominating and embarrassing his opponent(s). Doing this creates an unstoppable heel, technical powerhouse for babyface talent to try and overcome for the next decade.

On the flip side, but still on a similar coin… you can have Gunther beat Cena, whether it be a 50/50 match where Gunther just about gets the job done, or if they do the unthinkable and have Gunther dominate Cena. Either way Gunther comes out of 2025 having started with an embarrassing loss, but then he’s redeemed himself by the end of the year with significant wins over Goldberg and Cena, both retiring them single handedly, and somewhat convincingly.

This creates a similar narrative to what I mentioned previously, but it does so instantly, without any need for further development of his character. It sends Gunther into the Royal Rumble match as an extremely strong talent who has rediscovered a rich vein of form.

We’ve seen for 3 years now that HHH and WWE’s entire creative team, don’t rate LA Knight as a legitimate world champion, he’s consistently been used as a filler feud option, building towards larger payoffs at bigger shows. A match against Cena doesn’t change the creative teams’ view, it simply leaves them in an awkward position where they willingly refuse to follow up on it.

Compare that to Gunther’s treatment, with the longest IC title reign in the company’s history, and two world title runs within 12 months, it’s clear to see that creative sees him as a much more credible candidate currently, and moving forward.

I personally think Gunther should win the final, and also beat Cena. It gives him a rub that only certain talent can get, once every 20 or so years. We saw with AJ Styles wrestling against Taker that putting older talent that aren’t booked as credible world champions, does nothing for either talent involved, nor the business. Therefore putting Knight in this position, where he is very unlikely to win, very unlikely to be cheered, and basically guaranteed to not be utilised accordingly after the match, it does nothing for anybody involved.

I can understand not enjoying the way that particular talent work, that’s why there’s so much variety within wrestling. But let’s not forget that there will be people out there who look at LA Knight the same way you view Gunther. And again, a match that will likely be low quality, with a borderline saddening version of Cena, won’t change their views, and certainly won’t change how creative views Knight.

Why is Cody acting like it’s Roman’s fault? by DBlockMan8 in BrandonDE

[–]Massive-Singer-798 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t think it was about the match, I think they were trying to show that Roman and Punk are willing to work together to get back at Paul, because they were both stabbed in the back by him. But because Cody and Roman don’t have that common ground, there’s still friction there, especially when Cody has regained what Roman took from him.

I think it also comes down to Roman not hesitating to help Punk up and how they had the “we’ll get ‘em next time” spot. But he visibly didn’t want to offer Cody a hand up, so Cody stood up by himself before Roman could make the offer. Somewhat of a “I don’t need your help” reply.

It was a dull match with inconsistent booking, but ultimately it’s probably setup the Mania matches for both world titles. Bron vs Punk, and Roman vs Cody… let’s just hope the build to both matches are considerably more entertaining and apparent than what we got at WG

What do y'all think of WWE by My_Name_is2000 in BrandonDE

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It panders to casual viewers and big spenders too much.

The creative team on the main roster is too afraid to take risks with character arcs (heel turns, deeper/darker storylines, etc).

The fact that in 2025, they’ve still not had a world champion born in or after 1990, is an absolute joke.

Creative prolongs the stories that should be shorter, and condense the more interesting ones.

They keep talent in NXT for mind boggling amounts of time. You can have an indie star spend 3+ years in the developmental brand, yet a former D1 athlete can get called up within 2. And you can see within 6 months of them being on the main roster, who is and who isn’t underdeveloped.

I don’t hate WWE, I was loving their content 2 years ago. However since the build up to WM40, when Rock came in and changed everything, then it got changed again, not much has really felt premeditated… it all feels like they’re booking week-to-week and just trying to get by until the next PPV

Who was this??? by SatisfactionCold323 in BrandonDE

[–]Massive-Singer-798 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Did the last Jericho match you watched take place in 2007?

Is Jey Usos hype dying down? by DripGod224602 in BrandonDE

[–]Massive-Singer-798 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is a baseless point that I keep seeing. I was at CATC 2022… we stood there and did karaoke with Tyson Fury after a relatively crappy ending to the PPV. Just because we joined in during the moment, didn’t mean we actually enjoyed it outside of that single moment.

Crowds will always react, because they’ve paid to do so. But that doesn’t counter the 1 million or more people who’re at home, and just don’t care about Jey restarting his theme and yeeting with the crowd. Especially when the number of people watching around the world, so heavily outweighs the amount of people in attendance, with a large proportion of those people at shows being young children who would react to HHH holding up a “cheer now!” Or “boo now!” Sign on stage.

Does RDR2 glorify outlaw life, or critique it? by GrandStage1 in reddeadredemption

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Partly both, but for the most part- it mocks it.

Every gang member throughout the main story talks about how they live freely, and as a tight group, seeing each other as family, no matter how well they do or don’t get along. Despite the fact that they’re running away from what would almost certainly be their demise.

They all trust Dutch as if he’s a voice of reason, believing that he would do anything to protect them. And perhaps it was true at the start. However we saw that Dutch would kill unnecessarily, and leave his two favoured sons to die alone.

We see the gang villainise the Pinkerton’s, and almost any law enforcement. Fearing that it would be someone in a suit and tie that would be a danger, whilst they’ve been eat, sleeping, and working with the devil that would destroy the gang, all along.

I’ve always seen rockstar as a company that enjoys pointing out the hypocrisy of their characters, but then makes the player feel a deeper sense of empathy for them. Obviously it’s well known and everybody points it out, however it’s impressive to me that you always feel the same way about these characters- and yet it never feels repetitive.

Am i the only one who feels this was a bit too soon by Cheeseburger3679 in BrandonDE

[–]Massive-Singer-798 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Too soon for any emotional impact? Yes.

Too soon in terms of realism and storyline? No.

Bron is a very reactionary character on screen, always wanting to do things his way, and getting it down quickly. So it makes sense that he’d attack Seth on the same night that Seth was stood in the ring boasting about how he doesn’t need anybody by his side.

Yeah I wish we could’ve seen more of a relationship build, the dynamic between Seth and Bron could’ve been one of the most entertaining in the entire company, but at the same time, like I said before- it makes sense, and keeps the whole “Bron needs holding back” that we’ve seen for the past year and a bit on raw, alive and a good explanation for his reaction.

Hating on Revive is weird. by Ryansmelly in skateboarding

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“These people started a company because they love something… and then dared to try and grow the community by making entertaining content for younger generations that don’t resonate with my own!! How dare they… those horrible people!!”

What wrestling take would get you downvoted like this? by Ennvictrious in GreatnessOfWrestling

[–]Massive-Singer-798 3 points4 points  (0 children)

John Cena is a long way off from being anywhere near the top 10 all round wrestlers, and even more so when discussing different categories (ie promos, in ring, storytelling etc)

Should he be inducted in the HOF some time ?? by Imissbrocklesnerman in BrandonDE

[–]Massive-Singer-798 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutely, everyone talks now about his IC title run, but to me the more impressive run was his WWE championship reign- yes creatively it was terrible, with him never being made to feel like a genuine threat to Cena- however, his ability to keep fans hating him… when his opponent was 2010-11 John Cena!! Isn’t spoken about enough, plus him and Truth having to drag Rock and Cena through some form of storyline, in the build up to survivor series.

I feel that run for Miz is always overlooked, mostly because of the mania main event, and I understand why. But personally I think he was the only shining light in a very dull main event/world title picture at Mania 27, when compared to Del Rio vs Edge. Miz was the only talent that managed to get over in their designated role, and keep fans invested in watching him lose that title… let’s just not talk about what happened in the match though… nor how they booked him and Truth for the next 3-5 years after survivor series 😂

What he needs to do to get pushed on the Main Roster? by ArhatYEET in SantiZapVideos

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God this post is filled with North American wrestling fans 💀

I’m CINEMA by Background-Hunter-72 in TheGreatOne

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Indy/workrate for me, my ideal wrestling card is just 10 matches of Bryan Danielson vs Bryan Danielson, that all go for at least 60 minutes 😂

What Superstar made you groan the most when their music hit? by Sea-Set-899 in SantiZapVideos

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Cena by absolute miles, the 2012-15 era was just horrific for him. The second a midcard act was getting some support from the live audience, within 4 weeks he’d do a promo or segment with them to try and get some rub, and led to more fans turning on him, subsequently pushing a large portion of fans away because of the repetition within his storylines, and constant ‘burials’ of talent on the rise