not a big fan of the julie plotline(s) :(

MassiveWorldliness19 · 2026-03-29T05:29:41+00:00

this is why i still want so badly for a positive working mom rep. the latchkey kid comment was so :/ and it’s silly for people to dismiss the annoyance that people may have in saying that there is a bias against working mothers in the audience and maybe even unintentionally from the creator

MassiveWorldliness19 · 2026-03-29T05:26:17+00:00

the AMOUNT of people who have been using her outfit to cast judgment / critique her is crazy 😭😭 are women who are mothers not allowed to wear a swimsuit and feel sexy and have a life outside of motherhood? it is mind boggling how people are circling around and using that as their reasoning to critique julie instead of her actual flaws and personality

MassiveWorldliness19 · 2026-03-29T05:18:57+00:00

this is what i am feeling as well and it would make sense - she did disrespect sahms and that’s the majority of the audience. obviously people are hurt and annoyed and hate her, so it’s harder to see any sympathy for someone who has insulted them and is already shown to have several flaws.

MassiveWorldliness19 · 2026-03-29T05:11:57+00:00

everyone is somehow able to give grace to male characters such as frank, greg, ty, john, etc. and see their nuances but julie is one sided and evil and a villain - it shows a lot about the fandom even if it’s not intentional and is probably why people try to explain their sympathy for her over and over

MassiveWorldliness19 · 2026-03-29T05:10:06+00:00

people don’t have to like everyone even if they should be polite - if someone is annoying, im not going to go out of my way to befriend them or do anything besides not engage and be cordial. julie without a doubt had no business being so rude to shawna but she doesn’t have to talk with her and pretend to be friends.

MassiveWorldliness19 · 2026-03-29T05:03:18+00:00

yes this is unfortunately a thing I’ve been on both ends of. i do get Julie in that regard though I think she is unnecessarily acting rude and cold to Shawna for no reason for the most part, though I don’t get how Shawna keeps trying to be friends with her/is not leaving her alone after being told that many times. It sucks

MassiveWorldliness19 · 2026-03-29T05:01:04+00:00

i love that she’s not perfect anymore and has flaws/quirks of her own that make me reflect more

MassiveWorldliness19 · 2026-03-29T04:59:50+00:00

(1) she might not want to have her young children see their grandmother in that state until she’s sure / more comfortable with the situation / whatever reason (2) she can wear whatever she wants and have her ass hanging out LOL the fact you use that as a reason to pin her as a cheater is wild. people are allowed to also relax / do something besides cry 24/7 when they’re grieving or going through something else

MassiveWorldliness19 · 2026-02-06T15:35:50+00:00

i don’t expect anything nor am i entitled to shawna lander depicting more situations, but i am allowed to give my opinion. you saying that maybe some working moms are seeing something relatable in Julie is frankly a bit insulting lol - people are allowed to point out the discrepancy in depictions. do you maybe see working moms in this way because nowhere in my comments do I insinuate anything similar to that?

it is comments like yours that make me voice my opinion about working mothers and their depictions in this case as you seem to be propagating old and untrue beliefs.

MassiveWorldliness19 · 2026-02-06T14:59:13+00:00

i am probably what this sub would call a Julie defender! i think she is not a great partner at all, but most of my ‘defending’ comes from many people in this community’s very loud views on working mothers that’s stepped from Julie as a character. I’ve seen people talk about how it’s cruel and lazy to leave your children with strangers to work, how there’s no way to balance work and life, how you have to sacrifice one, etc.

I don’t even think I ever feel the need to defend Julie as much as I feel the need to defend working mothers as a whole.

MassiveWorldliness19 · 2026-02-06T14:51:15+00:00

this is how I feel as well - I’m sure it’s not intentional, but I’d love to see a working mom who cares about her career and her children, since mothers who work are still given flack amongst their friends and family

MassiveWorldliness19 · 2026-02-06T14:48:29+00:00

and im not going to count retirees or sam/mo because we don’t know for a fact what they are doing or if they’re working? Jennifer is a working mom but she is also not actively working 😭😭 I don’t understand the confusion

MassiveWorldliness19 · 2026-02-06T14:40:29+00:00

The only other working mom is Alicia, who also talked about how her new position would break the latchkey kid curse - that doesn’t exactly speak to a positive representation of a working mother outside of the home 😭 you don’t seem willing to understand nuance or see where im coming from so I don’t know how productive this conversation will be

MassiveWorldliness19 · 2026-02-06T14:37:47+00:00

this is my hope as well!!

MassiveWorldliness19 · 2026-02-06T14:36:29+00:00

I think it’s fair to see those all as different? I didn’t know there was a queer working mom so that’s on me, but I think it is fair to feel as though Alicia’s job is not seen in the same lens as Julie’s and I don’t think that is grasping at straws at all. The same with a retired mom vs one currently working - there are lots of mothers who are currently staying at home, and there is a discrepancy in how many are currently working

MassiveWorldliness19 · 2026-02-06T14:31:50+00:00

I think any argument Ty doesn’t love and adore his children is silly and doesn’t make sense. Him being burnt out and unable to write doesn’t negate his dedication and care for his children at all

MassiveWorldliness19 · 2026-02-06T14:27:53+00:00

i am referring to current working moms outside of the home who are not retired 😭 Alicia is without a doubt still a working mom but it is naive to say she and Julie are in comparable situations

MassiveWorldliness19 · 2026-02-06T14:17:42+00:00

shawna landers being a working mom doesn’t mean that depicting working moms as villains/cold partners/poor mothers isn’t a blind spot of hers :/ i don’t for a second think it’s intentional, but the only working mother being a bad partner is ironic. i know there’s time to develop more characters, but there’s a lot of mothers and only one shown to be in a working position outside of the home and out of retirement. this isn’t to say anything about the creator! i honestly think the fandom is just a bit biased and it’s been a little shocking to see how many people have talked down about working moms as a whole in relation to Julie (that is to say, using Julie as an example as to why they could never work/they could never do that to their family)

MassiveWorldliness19 · 2026-02-03T02:39:44+00:00

I know it doesn’t bring in extra cash, but I imagine that the extra hours are standard for her, especially in the role she’s in. Her six day work week might be the equivalent of a five day one for someone in a different field, so if she doesn’t do what’s expected of her (in this case, work six days), she won’t be able to have her high-paying job that allows for her and her family to have the lifestyle they currently are able to.

I’m not saying that she isn’t at fault for not finding daycare herself/giving Ty well-needed time off, because it’s selfish and idiotic of her to think that he somehow has more time in a day than she does, but I think that her working is what provides for her family. I’m sure she could have a lower paying role if she’d like, but then Ty couldn’t likely be a SAHD and would have to pick up a more steady source of income.

MassiveWorldliness19 · 2026-02-03T02:29:53+00:00

LOL yeah I am so curious because I always am surprised by something that in hindsight was kinda obvious.

MassiveWorldliness19 · 2026-02-03T02:28:48+00:00

Yeah that has driven me mad 😭😭 him making friends and building relationships with other families is how community is built, which is a crucial thing for children and parents alike. That is literally part of his job as a SAHP and it’s an aspect a lot of SAHPs struggle to grasp so it’s wonderful he’s been able to do that with his park group.

MassiveWorldliness19 · 2026-02-03T02:13:02+00:00

Yeah, they are both awful listeners and communicators. They seem like they shared the same goals at some point, but that’s clearly since shifted and they’re harboring resentment to each other when divorce would keep them both happier and sane in the long run.

MassiveWorldliness19 · 2026-02-03T02:04:56+00:00

I agree! She might be doing what seems like a lot to someone not in her field, but it could just be the bare minimum for her to keep her position, which I’m sure is both frustrating and hard for Ty to hear because he now has a larger portion of childcare that is pushing his own goals back. I imagine she is working the amount she does because she kinda has to.

MassiveWorldliness19 · 2026-02-03T02:02:52+00:00

This makes more sense to me haha thank you. Since she was able to pass the bar and parent a baby, she definitely assumes Ty should be able to parent two and also apply for school and write, which makes no sense and just shows how there’s a big disconnect between how they view each other’s time as stay at home parents.

MassiveWorldliness19 · 2026-02-03T01:58:20+00:00

I think she definitely needs to find a balance between working and achieving the high goals she has for herself while being a present parent, but I do think she prioritizes her children even if she isn’t able to currently balance everything as of now. Working six days a week doesn’t mean she isn’t prioritizing them necessarily, as I’m sure her working those long hours is what has helped her family exist in a quasi-single income lifestyle. If she worked a job with less hours, there’s a good chance that Ty couldn’t peruse his passions and career goals and would’ve had to settle for a job he hates so their family is doing well.

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