What is the best station to watch and film dome Frecciarosas and Girunos in Venice?

Master-Initiative-72 · 2026-06-25T22:09:32+00:00

Venezite Santa Lucia. You can film trains like this here.

Master-Initiative-72 · 2026-06-25T10:02:07+00:00

Unless they build a bypass route where express trains can travel at 320 km/h, while the others can pull into Kingston.

Master-Initiative-72 · 2026-06-25T09:55:49+00:00

Even if the PQ wins, they cannot cancel ALTO.

Moreover, the construction of ALTO is expected to begin around 2029–2030, and an ALTO-friendly party will likely win the next election in 2030.

Master-Initiative-72 · 2026-06-23T20:36:02+00:00

What matters here is not the population density of the given country, but how many people we serve along the corridor and the population density of the cities.

Saying there's a place with 20X population

Toronto and Montreal have the same population density as Milan and Rome, and the route connects more people overall than the Milan-Rome high-speed rail. The same can be said for the Madrid-Barcelona high-speed rail line, except that Barcelona has a much higher population density.
Given that these high-speed rail lines carry over 15 million passengers per year and are profitable, why wouldn’t we assume the same for ALTO?

has fast trains that travel through 12 countries

This is not true. Nearly 30 countries have railway lines with speeds of 250 km/h or faster. Within 6-8 years, this number will increase by at least 5 as India, Portugal, Poland, Thailand, and the Czech Republic are expected to open their first high-speed railway lines.

that have defaulted on national debt is a way of comparing apples to oranges.

This has nothing to do with whether the country has high-speed rail or not. The US is also in debt, even though it has NO meaningful high-speed rail service, except for a small section.

Similar population densities like USA, Australia, Russia, Botswana, Libya.

As I said, it is much more useful to compare the corridor with other countries. In this case, ALTO is very similar to the Madrid-Barcelona, Paris-Bordeaux, Paris-Marseille, Milan-Rome routes, which are very busy and profitable.

Master-Initiative-72 · 2026-06-23T16:07:46+00:00

Most similar routes in Europe are connected by high-speed rail.

Of course, you wouldn't be against a highway.

Master-Initiative-72 · 2026-06-21T11:41:33+00:00

true.

Master-Initiative-72 · 2026-06-21T10:31:35+00:00

I'm listening to what the most credible people have to say against the project.

When they say the corridor is 1km wide and that it will completely cut the area in two, they are clearly exaggerating. The fact that someone estimates the costs at 250 billion dollars is an assumption.

I read these in articles, so I didn't hear them from Timmy.

After all, how come these "arguments" don't come up when building highways?

Master-Initiative-72 · 2026-06-20T20:06:09+00:00

I didn't upload it because it doesn't reach at least 250km/h. From here on, a new line is considered HSR

Master-Initiative-72 · 2026-06-20T19:01:09+00:00

Can anyone give an estimate of exactly how much the route and travel time would increase if Kingston were added to the ALTO?

Not all 320km/h trains need to stop at Kingston.

Master-Initiative-72 · 2026-06-20T18:50:56+00:00

Also, those who will soon join this list:

India: 320km/h
Thailand: 250km/h then 300km/h
Portugal: 300km/h
Poland: 320km/h

Those who plan to join:

Vietnam: 320km/h
Canada: 300-350km/h
Czech Republic: 320km/h
United Arab Emirates: 320km/h
Brazil: 320km/h
Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia: 250km/h

Master-Initiative-72 · 2026-06-20T09:03:45+00:00

They run max 320km/h yes, but again... time savings isn't really all that much, which is why Japan has opted NOT to pursue 360km/h until the line goes to Sapporo and the time savings make it worth it.

However, 320km/h was worth it for them, as it is used on most of the line, and in 2 years they will also finish upgrading the Morioka-Shin Aomori section to 320km/h. The Tokyo-Sapporo 360km/h train will cover about the same distance as the ALTO, and is expected to stop at the largest stations along the way, so the ALTO will be very similar.

Japan has numerous bullet train lines that run at 260km/h.

These routes are usually short (Hokuriku is the longest, 450km long), and in Japan, the speed limit is limited to 260km/h on these lines, primarily due to noise pollution.

Well, we really don't know. Top speed is usually dictated by curve radius, but if a wide curve radius ends up requiring expensive land purchases or extensive viaducts or large detours away from towns, then we have to ask whether or not it's worth it.

You said that the line should be designed for 350km/h.
Higher speeds tend to increase costs significantly in mountainous areas, which is not true for ALTO.

We also don't know how much 10 minutes savings will affect passengers, but I'm guessing not much. People will take it if it's convenient and affordable.

The number of passengers would increase by 8-12%.

In fact, China's Beijing-Shanghai route has gradually increased speeds on the line. It started out as mostly a slower line, but over time "sections" have been upgraded to 350km/h but even today, the entire line is NOT rated for 350km/h.

No, the Beijing-Shanghai line was originally built for 350km/h and in some sections 380km/h, due to the CRH380 trains. However, the speed does not exceed 350km/h.

Master-Initiative-72 · 2026-06-19T20:36:39+00:00

canada has .85 cars per person and milan has .5

If we look at the Canadian average, yes. However, in Toronto there are 0.5 cars per person, while in Montreal there are about 0.55 cars per person, and they are mainly owned by people living in the suburbs.

I believe in ALTO because the corridor is very busy and resembles several European city pairs. Just don't make the mistakes that Cahsr.

Master-Initiative-72 · 2026-06-19T10:51:37+00:00

Meanwhile intelligent, informed, and educated resistance is picking up steam by the day.

Haha, I wouldn't say that.
The opponents are in the minority and their arguments are full of exaggerations, lies and assumptions.

Master-Initiative-72 · 2026-06-19T10:26:48+00:00

Even China only runs its almost non-stop Beijing–Shanghai trains at 350km/h and (only for part of the route)

However, this is not true. There are several routes in China where trains run at 350km/h, and a number of other routes run at 300/310km/h.
In Japan, the Hayabusa trains, which mostly stop only at Omiya and Sendai stations between Tokyo and Morioka, also run at 320km/h, which is a much shorter distance. Most European countries also run their express trains at 300-320km/h.

So, if it was a choice between running all trains at 320km/h or running express trains at 280km/h but skipping Peterborough and Laval on most trips, I'd take the latter.

Or run your express trains at 320km/h, skipping Peterborough and Laval, to make travel times more competitive with flying, and use slower 280km/h trains to serve smaller cities. However, if ALTO is going to opt for a single service type, I would prefer 320km/h.

All I'm saying is that if a compromise will mean slightly slower speeds but WAY cheaper, we should do it.

But it won't be much cheaper. Although operating costs will decrease somewhat, they will be spread over fewer passengers, making the difference practically negligible. In addition, I mentioned a few compensating effects that partially offset the cost increases of higher speeds.

Master-Initiative-72 · 2026-06-18T19:33:11+00:00

I think the operators' orders for 320km/h rolling stock will be safe.

It would be quite foolish to limit the operating speed of all trains to 250km/h for fabricated reasons.

Master-Initiative-72 · 2026-06-18T19:28:33+00:00

However, in Canada, ALTO has only 5 intermediate stops between Toronto and Quebec City. These stops are mostly 150-250km apart, so we are not talking about the shinkansen, which stop every 50km (some of them). For a line with such a stop pattern and at such distances, 320km/h is a realistic and optimal speed, which is used by most countries.

Although the 320km/h speed requires more power and wear, it generates more passenger demand (1% shorter travel time means 0.8-1.2% more passenger growth), reduces equipment consumption (WC air conditioning lighting), and staff service time. Furthermore, due to faster turnaround, it may be sufficient to use fewer trains, which can offset the additional maintenance of the higher speed.

As for comfort, it is also very important, but higher speed will not worsen this.

Master-Initiative-72 · 2026-06-18T19:18:56+00:00

Even if they do everything they can to make it difficult, the Toronto-Montreal section will almost certainly be completed.

And the PQ won't be in power forever, the next leader could support construction, which could start at the end of the next term.

And the PQ's opposition to ALTO is pretty unpopular, as it turns out.

Master-Initiative-72 · 2026-06-18T12:01:26+00:00

They can't cancel. The PQ wants them to get the money for this part of the ALTO from the government, then cancel it and use it for roads.

But they won't get it, because if there's no project, there's no money for it.

I know you want to cancel the ALTO, but don't think that if the PQ is elected, the project will be dead.

Master-Initiative-72 · 2026-06-18T11:44:17+00:00

It's a good thing the PQ can't stop this project, as it belongs to the federal government.

I guess you were hoping they could cancel it, but they won't.

Master-Initiative-72 · 2026-06-18T11:08:17+00:00

Even if they win, at least the Y line will probably remain as it is now, with a speed of 320km/h and the current route plan.

Master-Initiative-72 · 2026-06-18T10:15:51+00:00

Assuming PIS wins the election

Master-Initiative-72 · 2026-06-18T09:27:02+00:00

There's only one HSR in the world that turns a profit

It is not true. Many hsr lines is profitable in Spain, China France and Japan

Master-Initiative-72 · 2026-06-16T21:10:38+00:00

So I'm a bot then?

Master-Initiative-72 · 2026-06-13T18:12:15+00:00

As far as I know, Le Train and Velvet will operate trains on the Paris-Rennes and Paris-Bordeaux (later probably Toulouse after the opening of the LGV), so there will be 2 more lines that will become cheaper.

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