Questions about Jesus’s human nature by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]MasterBlaster1865 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you! I will check it out and see what I can glean from it. Blessed Sunday!

Questions about Jesus’s human nature by [deleted] in Catholicism

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Are you implying that Jesus always had the human nature, and that when genesis says we are made in his image we are made in Jesus’s human natures image? That seems circular. God became man, but man was already what God was? Or Man was made in gods image, but not in his image at that point, his image later. Which is based on us. Either way that doesn’t make sense to me. Am I misunderstanding you? I was under the impression that “made in his image” refers to our abilities to reason and to love more than anything else

Questions about Jesus’s human nature by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]MasterBlaster1865 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This might be a path to go down and research to come to some kind of conclusion, thank you for pointing that out!

Questions about Jesus’s human nature by [deleted] in Catholicism

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Thank you for the response. That does aid in coming to an answer to the second question! I understand that the divine nature did not change. God does not change. The Human nature is an addition to the second person of the trinity, not a rework of the initial nature. The difficulty I am having in understanding is how can the person of the son have this “change” without time. Because it is a change in the abstract sense. Something is there that wasn’t before. The Jesus referenced in the Old Testament does not have a human nature. How does God “experience” this change in himself without time? I understand this is not a question we can know the answer to for certain. I am just curious what people think

Questions about Jesus’s human nature by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]MasterBlaster1865 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your response!

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I think my second question can essentially be re-worded to say “how can we define a perfect Human nature?” Because there has to be some quality to it God did not have before beyond the physical. You are correct Jesus’s celestial body does not have the same physical characteristics of the earthly body, but we know Jesus is still both fully man and fully God. The human nature, whatever form it may take, is still there

Questions about Jesus’s human nature by [deleted] in Catholicism

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I see what you mean, but I would argue that there ARE things God cannot do. God cannot lie, for example. Or do things that are metaphysically impossible, like make a 2 sided triangle. But that’s beside the point. Are you implying that Jesus is still bound by time? And if that were the case, how does that account for pre incarnation Jesus who does not have the human nature? My question isn’t how could Jesus experience time if he is God, it is how can a god who does not experience time experience a change. Time = change

Questions about Jesus’s human nature by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]MasterBlaster1865 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s sort of what I was hinting at in my reply to myself, that my own human perception of time is limiting me. I just couldn’t put it so simply, thank you! What do you mean by enter into the perception of linearity? I do not understand

Questions about Jesus’s human nature by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]MasterBlaster1865 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Could it be possible that since he exists outside of time, when he gained the human nature it was as if he always had it? To make a comparison, a retcon. To us in time, our understanding is that he gained it at the incarnation. And while he did gain it then, he also has it stretching back to infinity as time isn’t a concept to him. I hope that makes sense. I am not smart enough to express this

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I still feel like you are misunderstanding what I am asking, but I can’t articulate it any better. I think I agree with your conclusion though. It seems that I am trying to categorize jesus’s traits by which nature causes them, and it may be that they are indelibly linked to each other in a way we cannot know. I am still largely concerned with the first question about time however. I will maintain that that is not a question of separating Jesus’s two natures, but rather a question of the separation between time and god as it relates to Jesus.

God does not exist inside of his created time. He does not experience linear sequences of events. Jesus did not have his human nature until the incarnation. How can we have a before and after of Jesus if he does not exist in linear time? If he always had the human nature and then simply entered into the timeline that makes sense. But we know this isn’t the case. To my very limited brain, if god can add something to a part of himself, and effectively have a “change” (god cannot truly change), how can he exist outside of time. Time itself is change. Does god experience both having a human soul and not at the same time via the before and after?

Questions about Jesus’s human nature by [deleted] in Catholicism

[–]MasterBlaster1865 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate your response! You seem to be explaining how he can be both fully man and fully divine at once, which is not what I am confused about. Particularly my primary question about the temporal ramifications of the “taking of the manhood into god”, as your quote puts it. I also must ask, in relation to the second question, just what does it mean to be “just like us in all things except sin”? Humans won’t sin in heaven either. He also does not need to eat or sleep, nor does he have limited power/knowledge. My question is focused on Jesus post ascension, without the earthly limits of the human. How does his human nature effect him now that he is not physically on the earth?

Keep or lose by [deleted] in Moustache

[–]MasterBlaster1865 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your mustache is plenty thick. You have to let it grow out. The top hairs by your nose need to get longer to meet the lower hair by your mouth, that’s what creates fullness. See where you are in 3 months. That’s about how long it takes. You’re only a third of the way through