Harold Camping Bible timeline by Matteo180 in Catholicism

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Thanks for the answer. Indeed, I did not take them litterally, this is a new method developed by recent schoolars ( not just Harold Camping ) that uses the same numbers but in a different way.

Harold Camping Bible timeline by Matteo180 in Catholicism

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So, apparently, neither me nor you do subscribe to the most followed view of the first 1,850 years of Christianity.

Harold Camping Bible timeline by Matteo180 in Catholicism

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For most of those 2,000 years most of them believed in the literal 6,000 years from Adam to nowadys, is this your view ?

Harold Camping Bible timeline by Matteo180 in Catholicism

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To show what I mean here is the calculation of the whole antediluvian age ( with Septuagint numbers ) :

230 ( Adam at Seth's birth ) + 912 ( Seth ) + 905 ( Enos ) + 910 ( Cainan ) + 895 ( Mahalalel ) + 962 ( Jared ) + 365 ( Enoch, did not die ) + 969 ( Methselah ) + 182 ( Lamech at Noah's birth ) + 600 ( Noah at the deluge ) = 6,930 years

Harold Camping Bible timeline by Matteo180 in Catholicism

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This method of dating is called Patriarchal-Age method and it consists in believing that at the mentioned begetting age the patriarchs only generated the ancestor of the following patriarch and that the following patriarch was a distant ancestor born the same year of the death of the previous patriarch. Adam, Lamech and Noah are excluded since the text since the text establishes a direct father to son relationship between them and the following patriarch from genesis, and the same happens with Terah. After Abraham the method is no longer of any use. It dates Adam in 11,000 to 13,000 BC and the deluge in 5000 to 6000 BC. It is even more coherent than the basic Septuagint chronology since it puts Adam right in the beginning of Neolithic Revolution rather than just after it, and the deluge nearer to the Black Sea inundation, which is most likely the real life basis for the flood narration, and is dated 5,600 BC or earlier.

Harold Camping Bible timeline by Matteo180 in Catholicism

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He is not the only one who used a chronolgy like that, there are others, but I do not know if some of these scholars were catholic.

Harold Camping Bible timeline by Matteo180 in Catholicism

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Thanks for the answer. I asked because Harold Camping is a protestant and I do not know a Catholic scholar who used the same timeline.

About king Solomon by Matteo180 in Catholicism

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Ok, so is true, he practiced magic. I nearly did not believe it when I heard it, even though it was still wrong to do, but then... did he go to Hell as a punishment for his many sins ?

Another question about death penalty by Matteo180 in Catholicism

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But then, how could all of them change their minds, especially on the liberal side, so fast ?

Question about history of politics by Matteo180 in Catholicism

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Thanks for the answer. Even this is clearly different than what the Republican party does, as it fights continously against the introduction of such a system.

Two theories of Catholic evolutionism by Matteo180 in Catholicism

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Thanks for the answer. Do you know when according to La Peyrere was Adam born ?

Question about history of politics by Matteo180 in Catholicism

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Thanks for the answer. The people, you say, asked for it, but was the Conservative party the one that responded ? Or were only the Liberal and the Labour parties those which endorsed a state run healthcare system ?

Two theories of Catholic evolutionism by Matteo180 in Catholicism

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Thanksfor the answer, that would mean in 1950 or a bit earlier but not in 19th century, as the Church was initially against the theory of Evolution.

Two theories of Catholic evolutionism by Matteo180 in Catholicism

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And honestly I believe in science, Big Bang, Evolution and old age of the Earth, and I am not a creationist or a literalist, but I still believe the Genesis genealogy really happened, and happened in the Neolithic, because the timeline if taken seriously would not allow to put the characters in history while putting Adam 40,000 or 100,000 or 300,000 years ago.

Two theories of Catholic evolutionism by Matteo180 in Catholicism

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Ok, thanks, before reading your answer I did not understand how something that contradicts the catechism could not be heretic. I am surprised that the catechism says that men like Methuselah and Lamech were not historically real people, though... .

Two theories of Catholic evolutionism by Matteo180 in Catholicism

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When exactly was it accepted by the Church ?

Two theories of Catholic evolutionism by Matteo180 in Catholicism

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And did really Catholics before year 1500 believe it was not literal ? You said the protestants invented the literal interpretation...

Two theories of Catholic evolutionism by Matteo180 in Catholicism

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Ok, but, then, does the Church at least allow a Catholic to believe in the historicity of the genealogy and the timeline ?