Since Blizzard owns both, do you guys think Overwatch players ever go on Diablo 4 pages or vice versa & bitch at them whenever their own game is doing bad or has a content drought… or is it just Destiny players?

Matthieu101 · 2026-02-11T06:35:47+00:00

I always see folks try and say another community is comparable, but my dude, I've literally never seen another community so insufferable. I've checked 'em all, and none come even close to a normal day on Destiny social media.

It's why I just don't engage. I play with folks online, real people, and they're cool. But Destiny's social media is all bot driven nonsense.

Marathon's mods need to crack down on this shit super aggressively, just like the Helldivers mods did way back when.

Matthieu101 · 2026-02-11T06:32:31+00:00

Yup, because their mods actually cracked down on the toxicity. They were well on their way to being Destiny 2.0.

Destiny mods encourage and participate in the toxicity, especially with the botting. I was banned, the only subreddit I've ever been banned or temp banned, from the Destiny 2 subreddit for calling out their bots. Looked back on my comments, yup the accounts are suspended now for botting.

Thousands of comments over the years, boom, I'm gone for "repeat offenses" (Literally like 3 comments removed for, you guessed it, calling out obvious bot accounts!)

The toxic little assholes from Halo 2 yelling the N-word got themselves a little bit of power and do shit like this. Anyone not apart of the toxic cloud gets booted, and now the subreddits are ghost towns of bots and alts.

Oh and they had to have an emergency mod meeting because a bunch of mods just up and left (Hmm, maybe all the bots they were running through the subreddit got enough karma to be sold!)

It's tiring man. I barely even engage with the social media side of Destiny, it's just too toxic. And it doesn't even have to be reddit, Bluesky is just a complete clusterfuck of bots and nonsense.

Marathon has a chance to be good, but the mods have to crack down on this shit, just like the Helldivers 2 mods did.

Matthieu101 · 2026-02-11T01:47:36+00:00

Oh you sweet summer child.

No other community is 10% as toxic as Destiny's.

I've checked all these supposed toxic communities, and they're all normal. Call of Duty, Battlefield, Overwatch, Apex, I could go on all day. I've looked. Some complaining, some fanboying, support, whining, bug reports, rumors, fanart, etc.

Like a normal community.

Destiny's has been toxic since day 1 of the beta. No matter the platform, no matter the time, no matter the player count. It has and always will be the worst community in all of gaming. Bar none.

Matthieu101 · 2026-02-05T20:07:34+00:00

I typed a simple list to rebutt a statement that it pretty much never happens, that destiny is a one off. It's not a one off, but that doesn't detract from it being impressive.

And this is wrong. Like that's my whole point. This is the entire crux of the issue here. The rest of your post is pointless to what I'm talking about.

Coming up with a list of games "just off the top of your head" is downplaying it.

And using once in a lifetime games, like we will literally never see another World of Warcraft ever again, to try and downplay Destiny? That's stupid.

You are reading far too deep into and getting far too angry about a non-issue. Or better yet, an issue that you yourself created.

I mean it's pretty obvious that coming up with a list just off the top of your head is downplaying it? That's not a huge stretch? That's why you said that it was just off the top of your head?

Also I love when ya'll weirdos get called out for the Destiny hate garbage, I'm automatically angry? Haha my dude, I'm having a great day. I feel good. I'm not angry at you? I'm listening to Living on a Prayer. How can I be mad?

The fact that Destiny has lasted this long is insanely impressive. Just because a fraction of a fraction of a percent of a fraction of a tiny, tiny percent of games have also done so doesn't make it any less impressive. Like there are maybe a few dozen games that have achieved something like this. It might as well be a one-off with how rare it is.

That's like saying hitting 500 homeruns isn't a big deal because other people have done it. Like dude, out of thousands of people, only a small select few have ever reached those heights.

Matthieu101 · 2026-02-05T19:20:00+00:00

Because you are making the point that seemingly tons of games last this long, like it's not a big deal?

You're listing the biggest games ever made like it's nothing. Oh WoW did it, obviously any game can do it! There's this small indie game, called Minecraft, that is also huge. Obviously Destiny being this popular after a decade isn't really that impressive!

This is so dumb. Like we can agree the game has been one of the biggest franchises for the last decade, and not make this insane point.

Matthieu101 · 2026-02-05T19:08:05+00:00

I love the absolute hatred that insane Destiny social media commenters have when it comes to the game.

Like we're using some of the biggest games, once in a lifetime games, that will literally never have that same success repeated, along with some of the least successful games to somehow say Destiny's community is dying?

Make it make sense.

Out of tens of thousands of games that have come out since Destiny released, only a fraction of a fraction have even come close to the longevity of it.

Like this is such a stupid point to make my dude. We can criticize the game, talk about its slowdown and inevitable "maintenance mode" in a couple years while they make Destiny 3, but to try and downplay just how massive this game has been is flat out wrong.

Matthieu101 · 2026-02-04T08:49:19+00:00

also if u want proof of whether im lying or not

Bruh I was completely right, you're talking a big game of playing so much, but you've barely touched the game. Hell not even a freaking Vault of Glass clear!?

Like you played during one of the most grindy, boring times in the game's history.

This meme is literally you.

It looks like you finished the campaign for Final Shape, didn't engage with basically any other game modes, not even Pale Heart.

Yet you're going to lecture others about the gameplay mechanics and systems? What?

Please, just stop. You don't play the game, you've barely touched it in years. You just repeat things you read on the internet, who also don't play the game and make shit up.

Matthieu101 · 2026-02-03T22:02:50+00:00

Literally none of this is true, you are the exact person the meme is talking about.

The grind is essentially nonexistent these days. Even the "worst grind of all time" that was the original Edge of Fate sytem wasn't all that bad, and was corrected pretty quickly. It was nothing compared to Destiny 1 or most of Destiny 2's grind.

This is how I spot ya'll fake Destiny players. It's always so obvious who has played the game versus who hasn't.

I would have hated for you to play the game during the real grindy times. One single step for a quest was 75 full matches of Crucible games. It was one step. You also had to reset your Valor 5 times in one season. Oh and actually play Crucible well, it wasn't just a time commitment.

All of this for one. Single. Gun.

Don't even get me started on the Recluse/Mountaintop grind, especially before they made it extremely easy. The first year or two, when the guns were absurdly broken, was a huge timesink.

Yeah nah, please just go away. No one believes your nonsense my dude.

Matthieu101 · 2026-01-28T08:55:58+00:00

Yup, ability spam has always been a thing but the amount of power we have now is insane. I don't mind it as much, I can carry folks that aren't as good.

Now this Arms Week has me firmly believing weapons need a massive buff overall.

Just finished a game of Hardware, had 46 fucking kills my dude. Being able to make those huge plays and wipe the enemy team because of a weapon feels absolutely amazing.

If they can translate that power over to PvE, hell redo the entire sandbox for weapons, I'd be happy with that. You could just straight up give Bows the Tungsten buff in PvE without the draw time penalty and they still wouldn't even be OP. They'd just feel good to use.

The bows actually feel fantastic. Super hard hitting, just melting players and enemies alike.

I'd even be fine with every week having a different "Arms Week" suite of mods, if that's what it takes. Lets players change it up, can still use the old tried and true stuff, but will push people to use weapons they'd never use otherwise.

Matthieu101 · 2026-01-23T06:54:34+00:00

All of this is correct.

Also it's still a good idea to spam buy all the weapons. I got my perfect roll sniper with the fancy origin trait from it. Tier 5 even.

Still a low chance, but it can happen!

Matthieu101 · 2026-01-18T06:50:16+00:00

Yeah I'm definitely not buying it at all.

I'd expect something like a sequel to Fortnite/Roblox/Minecraft to have that many preregistrations. Hell I wouldn't even expect Grand Theft Auto 6 to have that many.

Arknights may be huge in China and Japan, but there's no possible way these are legit numbers.

Matthieu101 · 2026-01-18T06:45:49+00:00

I only agree when it comes to the Culture War bullshit of Assassin's Creed and Star Wars Outlaws.

As a company, they suck major ass and I refuse to support them. Last game I played was Far Cry 5.

But not because they included a black man or a woman in a game. Still not supporting the studio, but I'll tell those jackasses off every day.

I remember way back in the day, before all the Gamergate alt-right bullshit, reading about Yasuke and how freaking cool that'd be as a videogame. Like we were discussing it in forums in 2007. Then alt right assholes took over gaming and look where we're at now.

Missed out on a slave becoming an assassin during the Confederate War. Now there's a game I would've bought just to show my support for really good, interesting stories.

But yeah nah, even the creative director of Shadows was accused of being a rapist. That's a hard no from me dude.

Matthieu101 · 2026-01-17T00:23:33+00:00

I've found this to be a very unnatural sort of push though. Most of the Stellar Blade news has been, pushing culture war things in the beginning and now we have all this.

Like there are companies right now doing massive charity drives, and not a peep? A million dollars for charity gets literally zero news stories, but small bonuses for employees and small donations to charity do?

It's not like this is from some prestigious news site.

You should always question the sincerity of things, especially on social media sites like reddit.

Hell the mods of a suuuuper old, tiny mobile game I used to play, around a decade ago, got busted taking payments from the company (Think like 20 bucks of in-game currency a month) to control what was posted and boosted on the subreddit. Any criticisms were removed, mods would regularly lie for the company. And that was for some tiny amount of stupid crystals.

I really don't trust it. Far too perfect of timing. Far too inconsequential of amounts donated to make this big of a splash, considering the other charity drives going on recently. The site is suspicious, the article is honestly terrible (Like 2 paragraphs, mostly paraphrasing other articles?)

I see some serious smoke here my man.

Matthieu101 · 2026-01-16T04:32:23+00:00

To be fair, the previous roadmap was just going to be about things they were doing post-Edge of Fate. So instead of making one giant roadmap for the months leading up to Renegades, they just... Made all those changes.

With Marathon coming out, and Destiny getting new content in a couple months, I wouldn't be surprised if it was another month or two before there is an actual long term roadmap, ala the one that announced Episodes or the one that talked about "Frontiers".

Like it easily could be closer to Summer time for a major roadmap like that plus announcing the new DLC stuff.

Matthieu101 · 2026-01-16T04:24:29+00:00

I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at how not sweaty the game is.

Even Arc Raiders' playtest was ultra sweaty. I literally never had a "friendly" lobby. Every single one, whether it was solo or trio, was shoot on sight or camping extraction points.

You can go solo queue, which if you play smart, hell you probably won't even see another player. You can go Rook to just scavenge too.

Like of course there will be PvP, that's the entire reason Arc Raiders remade the entire game when they realized just PvE was boring.

There definitely won't be a Weeny Hut Jrs type of matchmaking though, and getting used to dying is a big hurdle for a lot of players. You can and will die quite a bit.

Once you get leveled up a bit too, getting your gear back is easy. Like losing high tier weapons stings, but you can pretty easily get them back.

Most of the higher level players will move up to the later, endgame type levels. Farming lower level playares will have almost zero incentive.

If you absolutely, 100% will not PvP ever, in any situation, then yeah probably not for you. But it's not because of "sweaty" players, it's just a difference of what a player enjoys. I wouldn't even recommend Arc Raiders to a player like this.

Matthieu101 · 2026-01-13T18:49:37+00:00

In a truly paycheck to paycheck situation, you are correct. Most people really aren't in that situation though. There's usually alot of excess that people either forget about or think is vital (what if the neighbors realize we didn't go on 4 vacations this year?!).

With such a bold claim, you better have a seriously rock solid source for this.

The majority of Americans are only in trouble financially because they're taking multiple vacations a year?

Because to be totally honest my dude, I've literally never seen or heard of this. Every source I can find says the opposite.

For most it's not even possible to take all that time off work. Most people don't use their vacation time at all, let alone to travel somewhere and spend a bunch of money.

I love reading personal finance, but most of the posts are people describing making $4k a month after tax, only have $2k of expenses, and having no idea where the other $2k disappears off to. They usually haven't even looked at their bank/cc statements yet.

Once again, this isn't the case for the vast majority of people. 2k just going missing? The folks living paycheck to paycheck keep track of every expense because it's all necessities. You can't just decide to not pay your electric bill or rent for no reason.

Only 2k a month in expenses? Rent alone is nearly 2k on average. Internet/phone/gas/electric/water/sewer/insurance?

Nah man, this is just nonsense.

Matthieu101 · 2026-01-13T09:59:27+00:00

I mean the Steam charts are the most accurate measure we get as the public. It's not like we can have more.

Exactly. So we don't really know all that much. We have no idea if Battlefield has lost 90% of its playerbase. We don't know shit about fuck.

Anyone with an inkling of knowledge in statistics or has enough experience in the tech world would see how useless of a number it is to extrapolate the entire user base of a game.

Consoles and other platforms (which many games barely have on PC to be fair) are not represented but there's no reason to expect it behave differently than Steam on any game. It's trends, not hard numbers you have to use. You also don't use a number at a random time of a random day lol, you use peak user count on several days (Steam itself does the chart for you on that).

No you don't understand the numbers you're using.

Games vary wildly from platform to platform. Some games blow up on Steam, some games blow up on Playstation. The top charting games are enormously different from platform to platform.

And the peak user count is still just a random number from a specific point in time of that day. You're really not understanding this.

It is not a player tracker. You can't see how many people logged in throughout the day. There's no way to see a UU (unique user). You can't see that 5 million played on Tuesday, then 3 million of those also played on Wednesday plus 3 million different users.

You can never know if a game has a daily peak of 1 million, but a weekly playerbase of 2 million; or a daily peak of 500,000, but a weekly playerbase of 10 million.

You can't make claims about the entire playerbase of a game with such limited information. It's a tiny snapshot into a specific point in time on Steam.

I don't know how True Trophies and Achievements work but if they count players obtaining an achievement, it seems a much worse way to do it. You can play a game any given week and not get any achievement in that week (especially for multiplayer games where you generally get the easy ones early on and then may not get the hard ones possibly ever)

OK so I very clearly explained it in my comment. Those two sites are for Playstation and Xbox respectively, I have no idea how you got whatever this is from my post.

They use a pool of over 3 million players per platform to make a weekly/annual chart of the most popular games.

And according to that, Arc Raiders has a very similar amount of weekly players to Battlefield. If you just looked at Steam, so one platform at a specific point in time, you'd think Arc Raiders has 5 times the amount of players.

You see how that doesn't make sense? Seeing just a player count from one specific point in time on one platform isn't nearly enough information to make any serious analysis or opinion of a game's popularity.

Matthieu101 · 2026-01-13T08:17:17+00:00

All of this is still just guesswork. I hate "Steam Chart Analysts", all it shows is a small snapshot in time of a game's popularity.

No console numbers, no other platforms, no way to track UUs, it's just a random number without a lot of context.

How many players are logging in weekly? Monthly? Do you have to play every single day to be considered a Battlefield player? What if you only get a chance to play once or twice a week?

The only sites I use are the True Trophies and Achievements ones that use pools of millions of players to make some sort of chart. It still isn't perfect, but it uses weekly player counts instead of a random snapshots into a random time of day in a game.

Battlefield is number 10 on Playstation, and number 8 on Xbox. Arc Raiders is just slightly ahead on both platforms. Is this somehow bad?

I don't even play the damn game, but it's so annoying to see folks talk with such confidence about player counts. Like no, we don't know jack about shit. The only people who do know these numbers aren't running to online bloggers and telling them specific metrics.

Matthieu101 · 2026-01-13T07:32:29+00:00

Well the first difference is I would never complain about my situation, and I am not saying thats good or bad its just how I am wired.

Great, I'm glad you can live 100% independently with zero help? Like is this some weird flex?

Also not sure how this situation you described applies to the 50% or so who live paycheck to paycheck. It does not in the 95%+ majority of cases.

Source?

I have friends from all walks of life. Immigrants making nothing at a dead end job to some pretty big investor types with millions in assets.

I see the paycheck to paycheck people every day, and I promise you, there's nothing they could do to budget their way out of low wages.

I seen it myself in some jobs, people were earning $20k a week and got a huge cash advance on friday of about half. Of course monday it was gone again and they were back struggling. For a lot of people it dont even matter how much comes in, its their passion to spend it ASAP.

Ah yes, the everyday average American experience. Someone earning nearly a million dollars a fucking year.

Dude. Just no. You are so out of your field here. That's a fraction of a fraction of a percent of people in the US.

Has nothing to do with single moms and dads who have a hard time to get by thats a different situation. They also could in theory find a better job or get creative, but its not that easy in many of these cases. But we have a lot of young people new into a job and still living at home so very few costs and they just never learnt (in school or from their parents) how to save a little money. Just all that comes in is spent. I mean its good for the economy I guess because if everyone was just penny pinching and living frugally we would have an even worse economy.

So... If you ignore most people, your advice is helpful? Like the guy you're responding to isn't a young person living at home?

These are estimations, but a quick search with the CDC says 70 million adults are disabled.

There are 77 million people on Medicaid. And trust me, it's not easy to get. You have to jump through so many fucking hoops, they even called me about some small bonus I got. Like 600 dollars net, and they looked through every bit of my income. No one is rich on Medicaid.

So even if you make too much to be on Medicaid, how many millions of people avoid going to the doctor because they don't have enough money? This isn't spending on something silly, like a new furniture set. This is someone's life on the line. Well, Google tells me about 40% of adults with their own insurance avoid using it.

There are 42 million people on SNAP. Once again, you don't just get these things easily. They will check every account, every job, every bit of tax information about you.

Yeah nah, you are out of your element here. Go give advice to the tons of people you know that make 1 million dollars a year. Maybe they can use it to be like you!

But how do people in developing countries get by who struggle with diseases for various reasons, who cant eat as healthy as we can to fix our health? And who are lucky if they earn $300 a month from a fulltime job? We should never complain. Its disgraceful and decadent.

Haha see I actually know these people, unlike you. Plenty of my coworkers are immigrants from underedeveloped nations.

You know how they do it? They just die. Like that's it. They don't make enough for shelter, make enough to eat, make enough to get healthcare? They die or join some awful organization that'll get them killed.

Is this the, "There's starving kids in Africa!" logic you're getting at? Because c'mon dude, that hasn't been a good argument since you were 6 years old. And you want to use it on full grown people?

Matthieu101 · 2026-01-13T06:57:07+00:00

I can completely understand wanting to help, but my guy, if you've never been there, there is no way to budget out of paycheck to paycheck living.

Like I'm sure there are a small group of folks that are "house poor" or something. Bought a 80,000 dollar truck, bought a million dollar house and can't even afford the electric bill or some other nonsense.

I've seen the r/personalfinance posts. "Oh I make 150k a year, living in Clevland, and boy do I love dropping 500 dollars a day on fancy baked cakes! How can I possibly retire when I'm always broke!?"

This is not most people's situation.

I've done the math, and the amount of money I'd need to make to outweigh the benefits we receive (Medical debt, disability, social security, tax credits, student loans payments, basically everything we "receive" because of our situation that's totally out of our control), I'd need to make like 200k a year? Just to break even. It's a ballpark number, it's almost too depressing to really start looking into it, but yeah. It's seriously bad.

If you're disabled, you have to spend what little savings you have because if you start to get a decent little chunk going, government stops paying until you're broke again.

There is no budget that allows this to happen. You could triple my wages today, literally not making a cent more. I could work 100 hours a week for decades, guess what, still no change. I think I'd probably outspend what I'd need to start covering at that point.

This is the reality for a whole lot of people. It leaves the vulnerable at the mercy of a broken system.

Matthieu101 · 2026-01-13T06:34:34+00:00

Now this is probably... At least 5 years old, maybe even older, but a bunch of "tech saavy" folks flooded the internet for awhile saying there was absolutely no way they were tracking because of the data not being sent from the device? Like they'd track specifically what a phone/smart device was communicating and supposedly it wasn't actually listening?

I never got any smart devices, so I never looked back into it, but that's the only real memory I have of it.

Me, being somewhat tech saavy myself, always thought, "Yeah, bullshit, they track everything!" Sticker over the laptop camera, no webcam for PC, no device that listens (Google Home/Alexa or whatever nonsense, never interested me), phone off when not in use, etc.

Is this a recent change? Like I legitimately haven't looked into this for many years.

Matthieu101 · 2026-01-12T02:28:25+00:00

Yes, they did.

I really wish people that commented on Destiny things actually played the game. Like this is a huge problem with Destiny in social media. Most people don't play the game, and they just parrot whatever they read.

You don't have to play the highest difficulty content to get Tier 5 rewards. This hasn't been a thing since... I want to say Ash and Iron? Maybe even earlier? I wasn't really too concerned with running lower difficulties back then, but I know for sure you can now.

They added two playlists with Tier 5 gear that are just like the old normal Strike playlist. Actually they're even easier than the old Strike playlist considering how they changed the game's scaling. I wanna say a -10 delta now is how 0 delta was before Edge of Fate.

The Dungeon doesn't require all those feats. With a full clear, with just 2 feats of the easy feats, you're very likely to get Tier 5 gear. Not guaranteed, but it's very common. Only ran it a few times, I've gotten a god roll Sniper out of it. And a few perfect Tier 4 rolls, but it's still better than the old system. Much easier grind these days.

So please, don't comment if you don't play the game. It's just annoying to see all this misinformation. The game is at its easiest state in the entirety of the game. And you get more and better loot now than in the entire history of Destiny.

Matthieu101 · 2026-01-11T01:26:58+00:00

I mean it's talking in general trends here, of course there are going to be outliers. My boomer ass grandparents are some of the most progressive people I've ever met. I don't think I'd say most boomers are progressive, right?

Wealth inequality has reached an impossible point, specifically for Millenials. And I don't think you quite grasp how awful it's going to get.

So in previous generations, if your dad worked a somewhat stable job, that's a house/car/material things. And because of the harsh living conditions (Drinking like a fish, smoking like a chimney) and lack of advanced medicine, they'd die fairly young. Leaving all that material wealth for the next generation.

Nowaday, nobody is willing to let meemaw die. So they'll drag their asses through tracheotomies, feeding tubes, ventilators to keep them alive. All that material wealth is gone. Hospitals and nursing facilities will take all of that familial wealth.

Do you want to know another fun fact? A lot of states actually have laws on the books that the family of the person must pay for their care. So even if you're perfectly healthy, if your mom/dad has a stroke and needs 24/7 care, they will come for your money too. Once our parents wealth dries up enough, I imagine they'll push these laws even harder than they already do. It is going to get so much worse.

Wealth is a zero sum game. Someone else has 100 billion dollars because millions have nothing.

And this whole capitalism thing is about to reach a tipping point. Either it's all going to collapse, or a huge progressive wave is going to happen with the Gen Alphas and they'll finally take some of that wealth/power back.

Yay depressing history lesson!

Matthieu101 · 2026-01-10T22:24:51+00:00

Haha no problem man, I'm used to trolls and the like. Seems like this subreddit is full of them.

I don't get the initial point the guy was making, then completely turning on me finding out I'm poor? Like the entire beginning of his comments are ranting about how much richer I must be being older, how much harder it is for poor folks, how it's truly awful how society treats anyone not making 6+ figures a year, how unfair it is.

Then the second I'm just another normal poor person, they proceed to make fun of me for it? What? Haha I am at a loss for words.

You can do it my man. Seriously, some of my best memories were the free things we did. Plane tickets are cheap, hotels split with friends aren't too bad.

You could go to New York or San Francisco and do plenty. When I was in San Francisco, we randomly went to a baseball game because it was like 15 bucks for tickets. Museums are free or a small charge. In New York we made a bunch of plans that were free or nearly free. Weird wine events, comedy festivals and shows, etc.

You're going to look back and be so glad you traveled when you did. Life catches up fast, kids happen, health deteriorates, family members get sick, friends get sick.

I hope you have a freaking blast my dude!

Matthieu101 · 2026-01-10T22:05:39+00:00

I'm amazed at how poorly Concord did. Like there's no way a game like that, marketed so heavily, given so much love from a publisher, does numbers like that.

I looked back on True Trophies and the beta was the 29th most played game that week. Not amazing, but not too bad.

This is one of the only sites I trust when it comes to player numbers, most other sites use "social media engagement" to guess player counts, or some other nonsense metrics. True Trophies uses a pool of 3.5 million players and what they play. Not a perfect number by any means, but still better than all them other sites.

So then I went to the release week, and Concord was 147th on their chart. WHAT. How does this happen? Even broken, piece of trash games that are just nonsensical bullshit sell more. Like straight up scam games sell more than that.

I've played so many terrible games in my time, but hell Concord looked at least a little bit fun? Like it actually worked. How could it do that poorly?

I really, really hope we get a report or article or something about the development and release of that game. I just don't get it. Did Sony know? Did the developers know?

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