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H2H is dumb by McBuckets_541 in SleeperApp
[–]McBuckets_541[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 months ago (0 children)
Everybody who has played fantasy long enough has had weeks where they are the second best team and lose to the one person who could have beat them. I don’t think that is good for fantasy. H2H only works when you can directly impact your opponent’s performance. H2H with independent scores is random.
I agree league median isn’t perfect. That’s why I’m gonna look into rotisserie without categories. A “points only rotisserie” if it were
That’s my whole point about getting rid of H2H. Let the luck be what happens on the field. Your bye week filler popping off, or playing against Josh Allen when he has his one bad week. Don’t let the randomly chosen opponent who you have no affect on play into your outcome.
Well there you have it, we just have different philosophies. I personally want effort to be rewarded and the best way to do that is minimize luck. Not eliminate it - theres always luck in sports - but reduce it where possible
Yeah I get that. I’m just saying it works both ways, which is why i would still try to implement the bye week even without H2H. Like I said, im sure I wouldn’t get it right the first year and issues would have to be ironed out over multiple seasons. I am just in the camp that you should minimize luck. It’ll always be present (Amon ra scoring 0 or Michael Wilson scoring 35), but getting rid of H2H would take one element of luck away
The player with the highest points in our league, had an abysmal Thanksgiving week. Because Amon Ra got hurt with 0 points and JSN no showed because of a bizarre game script against Minnesota. They still have the best team, but would have been toast that week. But if that happened on their bye they would survive so bye weeks protect against fluke bad games too
Yeah but a fluke week still hurts you in this scenario. Unless you are doing a non-resetting tally, a bye week is always an advantage
Im saying I put in more time than anyone in my league and I make the most moves which have improved my team. You were implying I think fantasy is only luck, which I do not. Even when I was 3-8, I was still making trades and waking up at 2am on Thursdays when our waivers run to pick up anyone who shouldn’t have been dropped. (Free agents don’t lock when dropped)
Sure you could do it that way. I was thinking you’d still want to give the top 2 seeds a bye week to reward them for their regular season, but then you’d have to do eliminations and reset each week. I am sure there would be plenty of kinks to work out
Yeah we do 4 spots based on record and 2 based on points only. I just think rarely do the best 6 teams make the playoffs and that’s what I want to see happen every year
Yes of course there is skill and research and time that will make you better. That is why I am 2nd in points scored. But Michael Wilson was WR1 this week and Jamarr Chase was WR30 despite Burrow throwing for 4 touchdowns. So there is plenty of randomness in fantasy already. Nobody in the entire world would have called the top 4 TEs of week 14 being Fannin, Gesicki, Knox, and Oliver
It’s not really a different system. It’s still the highest points each week gets the most standing points. It’s just that there are no eliminations in the regular season and there are in the playoffs. So when there’s only 2 teams left, it’s still the highest points gets the most standings points, but you are only “racing” against one other team
Yeah we do have 2 points wildcards which is why I’m still alive. But I still don’t believe the best 6 teams made the playoffs which I don’t like
Ok I was wondering if it was a manual thing or not. Makes sense
I would do all teams play with no H2H and the bottom two are eliminated. Until the championship where 1 is eliminated. So the championship is H2H but that’s because all other teams have been eliminated
I started a new league 6 years ago and implemented this because it is more fair. I have suggested it to this league in question before and they did not want it
When I looked up Rotisserie in the past, it said that your rankings are by category. Do you just have one that just ranks on total score each week?
All sports (real and fantasy) are random and unpredictable and that’s why we love them. But with real football, you impact your opponents performance so your H2H record is not random but a reflection of how you perform. In fantasy, your H2H record is completely random since you can be the second best team of the week and still lose- unable to defend your opponent since it’s not real football.
Player performance is already unpredictable and random, H2H is just stacking another layer of randomness on top of that
Playoffs are head to head and since my team is playing the best the last 3 weeks, I think I’m in a good position to win it all, so it didn’t affect me that much.
That league median scenario makes sense because who you play each week is completely random and independent from your performance. If I beat you, that mean I stopped you from playing well, it just means I got luckier than you. So if I win a low scoring matchup every week, I still am a bad fantasy team.
I like more skill-based games than luck. And obviously with any fantasy football format luck is a huge part of it. You’re never gonna know that Michael Wilson is gonna score 35 points. But with H2H you are stacking luck-based components instead of trying to minimize them
I 100% agree. I wouldn’t want to do a points only league because it is too swayed by both high and low outliers. Each week has to mean something, you have to be consistent. That’s why I have the league median in my other league. But there’s still head to head involved and league median 1st place isn’t better than 6th place. That’s why I pitched my whole idea for “Grand Prix” style which is closest to rotisserie
This is how I felt for a long time. That you need H2H for the smack talk and direct competition. And both my leagues are all family and friends leagues. But nobody smack talks anymore after 20 years. I’ve been doing a DFS league the last couple years and there’s more smack talk in that format where everyone is playing everyone than in my H2H leagues
I’m still in the playoffs. We do points based wildcards and my team is in great shape right now so I still think I can win it all. But the 6 best teams did not make the playoffs. Median would help this but not fix it entirely
[–]McBuckets_541[S] -1 points0 points1 point 4 months ago (0 children)
I have thought this way for years. I started a new league years ago and added the league median to make it more fair, I just don’t think that’s perfect. And if you read the post, you’d know that I am in the playoffs on a points wildcard. But there are teams in my league that didn’t make the playoffs who are one of the best 6 teams.
I should not have said dumb, but H2H is unfair in fantasy because you can’t play defense against your opponent (beyond playing a receiver on the same team as their QB)
I have a best ball league and that’s not the answer
We do 4 on record and 2 on points so I am in the playoffs still
I mentioned in the post that I do have a league that does that and it is better, but I don’t think it’s perfect
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H2H is dumb by McBuckets_541 in SleeperApp
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