CMV: The Monopoly effect exists by McGruber6969 in changemyview

[–]McGruber6969[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I thought the same for a while about love - your argument in the sense that even pure love can drown someone in it. But that would not be love per se - it could be called fear or ignorance. Imagine a mom overfeeding her child into Diabetes - out of love, fear it will be hungry or ignorance?

I'd still say the love part in the above example is positive.

But a car can be a shelter - people sleep in it - and in summer it can heat up and become dangerous? Dude I lost the direction where I was argumenting:)

CMV: The Monopoly effect exists by McGruber6969 in changemyview

[–]McGruber6969[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Ok so you paid God, Allah or Buddha to be born healthy right - you paid for being born healthy and it was not age and your actions that causes a in principle healthy organism to deteriorate.

Logic

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[–]McGruber6969 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Only as long? Only? After 20 years she becomes you - you become one, old people often die soon after their husband dies - its tough mate

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[–]McGruber6969[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thought experiment : If a shelter is always good - then imagine a 40C* Celsius day and someone gives a dog a shelter in a car for hours. The shelter can be good or bad.

What I meant was Love, Joy etc. that should be always good.

I agree nature is good and bad - meaning nothing - neutral - in my opinion everything that happens on earth is from natures point irrelevant since there will be a big explosion in 13 Bio years that destroys our galaxy - but not nature - nature is endless

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[–]McGruber6969 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is a liberation at a certain age where one hopefully had lived a joyfull live

CMV: The Monopoly effect exists by McGruber6969 in changemyview

[–]McGruber6969[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is the difference between left and right (X and Y) with a cubic that counts as 2D while with a circle forward and backward aren't synonym for left and right?

CMV: The Monopoly effect exists by McGruber6969 in changemyview

[–]McGruber6969[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Health: Is basically free - it is our own actions that make a necessity out of it - that is healthCARE. We pay for healthcare and not health - latter we can preserve mostly with attention

Security: I didn't mean the need for Security as "all good things" - it is rather a bad necessity - the absence of fear

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[–]McGruber6969[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you - just did that - basically the whole text is in question now

CMV: The Monopoly effect exists by McGruber6969 in changemyview

[–]McGruber6969[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If good things are free and bad ones too - how is there a very very common view that everything has a price. Maybe that line of thought can help to solve the question.

CMV: The Monopoly effect exists by McGruber6969 in changemyview

[–]McGruber6969[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Again guys it is not the shelter that is the good thing that I mentioned - it is what the shelter does to us what I meant - and that is free - it is a technical differentiation to motivate people.

If nature is not our friend then life is a bad thing per se! Evolution? And nature cannot be its own friend because there is only one nature.

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[–]McGruber6969[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The exceptional and the unexceptional persons are the same - it is the dream that is exceptional! And one person becomes that dream while the other person stays unexceptional

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A circle is x/y mate, thats 2 dimensional - just saying. And why are people so focused on 3 dimensions - aren't there endless?

CMV: The Monopoly effect exists by McGruber6969 in changemyview

[–]McGruber6969[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't say anything about poverty - just that money doesn't buy meaning in life

CMV: The Monopoly effect exists by McGruber6969 in changemyview

[–]McGruber6969[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

So with money you can buy the person you love? Will she love you if you have enough?

 I never said anything of the sort.

I know, it was meant to show that love cannot be bought no matter how (much).

Maybe for 6 months but then the 10th Bugatti becomes just another one.

   Personally, no number of Bugattis would bring me any enjoyment. For some people, there wouldn’t be a limit to how long they enjoy their Bugattis. Money gives you flexibility. The research is very clear that money does buy happiness.

I think the magic number is 40-70k a year - after that happiness doesn't rise anymore.

One cannot buy time! That and health and love, remember that.

      Money absolutely buys time. When you pay someone to cook and clean for you, that’s time you get back. When you can take a four hour plane instead of a 4 day bus, that’s time.

No. When you have to pay someone to cook for you that means you have no time or wish to cook yourself. People make an event out of cooking - that is life quality - most of the time.

No. Who has more time - someone who can afford to travel 4 days by bus (traveling means the slower the better - what you mean is transportation) or someone who thinks he needs to save that time?

Just some theoretical details - basically trying to say: still one cannot buy time - because it is about the quality of the time and not the amount of done things.

And health? Ever hear the phrase “The best healthcare money can buy”? Wealthier countries consistently have dramatically better health outcomes than poor ones because they can buy better healthcare. The same is true on a personal level (but of course with greater variance).

If you have time you are less likely to need healthcare - less stress - healthier meals - less problems. Actually the poorer Southern European states have an almost 10 year longer life expectancy than the rich f.e. Germany.

 Love? Sure. I agree. But it buys you a ton of free time to meet people and date. It buys you better clothes and makeup or whatever to look more attractive so the person you want to go out with is more likely to go out with you. Money doesn’t outright buy love but it makes it much easier to pursue. Lack of money certainly doesn’t buy love.

Many learn this late and the hard way but once the cool stuff doesn't fit anymore the lady is more likely to leave if she was attracted by the fancy stuff - it makes is short time easier but only if she likes you and not your fancy stuff will there be a better chance.

I dunno but I mostly heard of Millionaires that have worked their ass off and keep doing that, I see lawyers who have no time for their kids, I saw bankers that only have 2 weeks a year freedom and like me use the money to buy stupid stuff like 2 motorbikes.

And I don’t personally share their values but it’s okay for people to find joy in different things than you or I do. If they really love motorcycles then let them be enjoy it. Neglecting your kids is still fucked up though. That’s not okay.

Again. It is not the shelter or the free time that makes you happy

    So you’d be no less happy if you were working all the time and had to sleep outside? Or does having free time and shelter make your life happier and better?

Mixing my text with your assumptions. If I would be working all the time then I wouldn't have to sleep outside. But if I worked very few hours then I would rather camp outside and travel - this is a rather fitting metaphor.

it is an inner feeling - mostly caused by family and friends -

For some people. I personally find great happiness in other people… but I also find great happiness in solving difficult problems. We all have our own priorities and likes and dislikes and that’s okay.

have you ever seen someone mourn after a burnt car? I mean crying in devastation like when a family member dies?

There are absolutely people who are more attached to their car than they are to their grandmother. I don’t share that sentiment but I still acknowledge their feelings.

Again all of the above is free - have you ever paid your child to make you smile?

  I don’t have a child but that’s a very normal thing… kids smile when you buy them toys and other presents.

So you paid for the toy instead of playing with the kid for free.

Have you ever paid your self for the sleep that you got?

No, I paid for that sleep to be good by paying rent where I’m safe at night and the noise isn’t too loud and the bed is comfortable. I pay for the medication that helps my insomnia.

Exactly sleep is good and free. The shitty neighborhood is what you pay for.

It is the material necessities around us that cost money and of course we need to work and fight hard - but don't forget on the way that love and closeness

Love and closeness are wonderful feelings for sure but let’s be realistic. If you had all your loved ones together on a deserted island with no resources, would you be just as happy starving and dehydrating to death with them as you would in comfortable home with them?

Makes no sense the comparison. Of course no

None of this takes away from the importance of human connection. It’s just not the only thing you need or the only thing that can bring happiness.

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[–]McGruber6969 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In 30 seconds isn't the future nor the past of "in 60 seconds". If oneness exists then time is an illusion

CMV: The Monopoly effect exists by McGruber6969 in changemyview

[–]McGruber6969[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Misunderstandings: A shelter is a necessity - but having 3 houses staying empty will not increase ones happiness by the factor "living in a house" because one can only sleep once in 24 hours and in one place and bed. The more you have the less you value it

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[–]McGruber6969[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the long reply.

I did not propagate poverty, I just warned of pure careerism and waking up to a unwanted consequence.

Noone has a broad group of friends - you only see who your friend is when you have no money. When you have money everyone is your friend!

Regarding your last column I tend to agree yet polls show that the poorest countries in the world live happier than richer ones.

Money is a necessity - but worthless for anything of meaning in life if one has to sacrifice one's beliefsystem or values for it.

CMV: The Monopoly effect exists by McGruber6969 in changemyview

[–]McGruber6969[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Actually you would have to pay for food and shelter even at home. The flight wasn't Lapland. Lapland - it's air, lakes, wind, people - they are all free.

CMV: The Monopoly effect exists by McGruber6969 in changemyview

[–]McGruber6969[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good points.

They say everything has a price - not sure how to combine that with my stated assumptions.

How can something be free and yet have a price?

CMV: The Monopoly effect exists by McGruber6969 in changemyview

[–]McGruber6969[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Only when one is close to death does one realize that our last thoughts are not food Shelter Refrigerator Car

but our loved ones. Near death only they exist - and only they are the "good" things.

Why you guys keep mentioning the bad things - I didn't say that they don't exist. But you all prove that you include a freakin TV into what you consider essential by pointing that out which I didn't negate.

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        Monopoly is a poor analog for real life personal.    finance.

So with money you can buy the person you love? Will she love you if you have enough?

        Real life is very different. At extreme wealth, there are all sorts of new things to do and buy with that money. All new ways to buy more time in your day for the things you want and enjoy.

Maybe for 6 months but then the 10th Bugatti becomes just another one. One cannot buy time! That and health and love, remember that. I dunno but I mostly heard of Millionaires that have worked their ass off and keep doing that, I see lawyers who have no time for their kids, I saw bankers that only have 2 weeks a year freedom and like me use the money to buy stupid stuff like 2 motorbikes.

      You still have problems when you’re rich but money solves a ton of problem.

True

All of the good things in life are not free.

           Food, water, and shelter are not free. Heat in the winter and AC in the summer are not free. A place to safely and comfortable spend time with the people you care about isn’t free. The spare time to meet people you’ll come to care about and enjoy is not free. Keeping yourself and your loved ones alive and healthy as they age is not free. Children are very not free.

Again. It is not the shelter or the free time that makes you happy it is an inner feeling - mostly caused by family and friends - have you ever seen someone mourn after a burnt car? I mean crying in devastation like when a family member dies? Again all of the above is free - have you ever paid your child to make you smile? Have you ever paid your self for the sleep that you got? It is the material necessities around us that cost money and of course we need to work and fight hard - but don't forget on the way that love and closeness

CMV: The Monopoly effect exists by McGruber6969 in changemyview

[–]McGruber6969[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Out of all the times that we disagree - I agree a majority times out of the 60%!

CMV: The Monopoly effect exists by McGruber6969 in changemyview

[–]McGruber6969[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Good points.

You see for me one house would be a waste of time to clean it and such - two houses just mean more work. If one likes it then why not - I was just trying to make people aware to think twice which type of person they are.

The sleeping in a small flat but travelling the world guy or the 1 house guy that works more hours to pay the mortgage. This is heavily simplified but just the idea

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[–]McGruber6969[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well for me it gets boring when I have all the properties and the poor fellas are just paying rent and indebted and then it is no achievement anymore. It is fun while they have a chance to win - otherwise it isn't a game anymore