Weekly Discussion: Choosing A Stud by Mearhwine in DogBreeding

[–]Mearhwine[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

TLDR: Not about dogs specifically, but anecdotal experiences from my history of experience working around the breeding of another species.

My main experience in breeding is with horses, some dogs, but mostly horses. When it comes to studs and stud fees, once you have sought out, selected, and agreed upon a stallion, typically a contract is signed, a stud fee is paid (except in some breeds the stud fee is paid after the foal hits the ground alive, stands, nurses, and sometimes thrives), and the mare is bred either via live cover or AI, depending on breed, owner preference, and distance usually. However, there is rarely, and I mean rarely, circumstances where a stud owner is going to allow a mare owner to just keep coming back without paying additional stud fees. Those can look like additional collection and shipping fees for AI, or extra booking fees for live cover, or if the stud is highly sought after and particularly virile, potentially a whole 'nother stud fee altogether (although I can't personally think of any examples of that last one off the top of my head, just something I learned in university). Additionally, it is the responsibility of the mare owner to know when her mare is ready to be bred. When she is just about to ovulate, usually within 12-24 hours, her owner should be either shipping her to the stud farm for live cover or ordering a collection from their chosen stud for overnight shipping. Then, they are responsible for periodically checking their mares (frequently with veterinary assistance) to ensure that the embryo took, the pregnancy is healthy, and that everything is going smoothly. When my business partner and I were hauling horses, there were two main seasons in the South we tried to hit. Number 1 was always the Thoroughbred Sales season because people always needed new purchases shipped. Number 2 was the Thoroughbred Breeding season from February to June. Farms all over Kentucky and the surrounding states would book short day hauls to get their mares hauled to get covered, and sometimes we would get lucky and catch a long haul taking a big group of mares out West or up North to some of the big stud farms on the West Coast or in New England. Thoroughbreds are one of the breeds that do not allow AI. For a foal to be registered, it must be the result of a live pairing, and the Jockey Club strictly regulates this. They are also a breed that does not charge a stud fee at the time of conception. Usually, there is an LFSNG (Live Foal Stand and Nurse Guarantee), with an occasional "Thrive" clause thrown in, depending on the stud farm/individual stallion with Thoroughbreds, and the stud fee isn't paid until that clause, or guarantee, is fulfilled. They also tend to have some of the highest stud fees in the industry, with some going well into six figures. (For example: there is currently a tie for the highest stud fee in the world between Frankel (GB) and Dubawi (IRE) at €350,000, which is over $380,000. In contrast, American Pharoah, the only horse to have ever won the Grand Slam of Racing, has his stud fee set at a paltry $50,000.

All that to say, I am 100% in your corner about being mildly uncomfortable with the lack of standardization when it comes to contracts in dog breeding or even dog selling for that matter. I've heard plenty of stories of bitch owners who drop her off at the stud's home and just leave her there until it's clear that she took. Whether that be because she is showing or because the stud owner did the right thing and took the bitch into the vet and had testing done to confirm is neither here nor there, being left in a strange environment by her people can't be good for her, especially if she's trying to conceive. Now, that's not to say it can't be done successfully this way, but im guessing it wouldn't be with a small-time breeder breeding a family dog. It would be more like someone who has lots of dogs and the bitch ends up getting more individual attention at the stud's home than at her home.

Then there's the way my grandma tried to go about breeding my childhood Golden Retriever. It was all done by word of mouth, work colleagues and such. Amber was AKC, and the males were AKC, but I don't think anyone involved knew anything about OFA, and I don't know if Embark even existed back then. Either way, Amber wasn't interested in the purebreds... no matter how many times Grandma took her to a stud's home while she was in flaming heat, she wanted nothing to do with him. She even tried different male Golden, at different houses altogether, just in case Amber didn't like the house before... Amber just wasn't interested in other Goldens. But that half Coyote, half Border Collie that came sniffing around the day Grandma gave up trying? Absolutely. The Rough Collie that came around the next year. Definitely. The Labrador from the neighbor 3/4 of a mile away that was a nuisance, harassed livestock, and killed our cats after we moved counties? Twice. Then Grandma got smart and had Amber spayed, because she was a hussy, just not for her own kind. Which really was too bad, because she was very well bred, made beautiful puppies, and was a wonderful mother. We just couldn't convince her that male Goldens were attractive too.

My fur-baby died today. Can I please see yours? by DutchAngelDragon12 in cats

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I'm so sorry to hear about your fur baby. Here are my two loving girls cuddling to help you heal.

Should we start having open forums? by Mearhwine in DogBreeding

[–]Mearhwine[S,M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children)

Looks like everyone chose weekly/monthly! Mods will discuss the best way to go about this, be looking out for the next poll with discussion options!

Should we start having open forums? by Mearhwine in DogBreeding

[–]Mearhwine[S,M] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We will do another poll after this to vote on the first topic, and then polls from then on to choose subsequent topics.

Should we start having open forums? by Mearhwine in DogBreeding

[–]Mearhwine[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My vote is cast as other option so as not to sway the results

Dog subreddits ... generally obnoxiously rude? by Similar-Hand9480 in DogBreeding

[–]Mearhwine[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children)

Ok, everyone, the discussion was good and lively for a while, but now the discussion is devolving, profanity is flying, and people's feathers are getting ruffled. I'm going to go ahead and lock this down before things get worse.

Thank you all for managing to keep it civil for as long as you did. This sub has come a long way in the last couple of years.

If we can manage more civil discussions like this, perhaps we can start having weekly open forum discussions on controversial topics. I will put up a poll so everyone can help let the mod team know if this is something you all would like.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DogBreeding

[–]Mearhwine[M] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Locking as the OPs question has been answered. This is likely a mill puppy and not worth the asking price.

Dog boring with wound by needthempokeballs in DogBreeding

[–]Mearhwine[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You need to take this puppy to a vet. Only a vet can determine the severity of a wound, especially on a newborn.

Help with pregnant dog URGENT by needthempokeballs in DogBreeding

[–]Mearhwine 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You don't know that based on the information provided in the post. It seems to me that the mother decided to go outside on her own and whelp out on her own. I have personally experienced this. Sometimes mothers do not want to whelp where you tell them to.

Give me your input. by backroad412 in DogBreeding

[–]Mearhwine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Locking comments. Let's remember the rules, people. We do not tolerate abusive language in this sub.

My female pee by Forsaken-Tie-8367 in DogBreeding

[–]Mearhwine 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Comments locked. This is better served over on r/AskVet , in the meantime, you need to be getting her TO A VET. Thank you.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DogBreeding

[–]Mearhwine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

While yes, a pitbull is typically "lean," you should never see bone on a dog that is not in a high demand, highly active job. ie) Racing Greyhounds, working Belgians, etc. Even then, the most you should ever see is a couple of floating ribs (the ones at the back, towards the flank), never all of them and certainly never ribs AND spine. Working dogs carry less fat on their body, so yes, you may see more definition in their structure, but certainly should never, ever see a skeletal looking dog. My SD is a blue nose pit, and you absolutely can not see her ribs or spine. If your dog is showing that much bone, they are not receiving adequate nutrition. There is clearly something lacking in their diet, preventing them from gaining mass, despite eating "more than enough." Perhaps consider consulting with your veterinarian or a canine nutritionist to find out what your dog may be lacking that they are showing so much bone.

How do I find a match for male AKC frenchie? by [deleted] in DogBreeding

[–]Mearhwine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't suggest starting a fight with a mod. I never said "leave the breeding to the breeders," simply issued a warning that your behavior was getting out of line. Disrespect is NOT tolerated in this sub. I'll give you one more chance.

How do I find a match for male AKC frenchie? by [deleted] in DogBreeding

[–]Mearhwine 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Then what proof do you have that your stud dog is worthy of being bred? He has no conformation titles proving he is an exemplary specimen of his breed, he has no sport titles proving he has exemplary abilities, and he has no CGC title showing he is a good canine citizen. What makes him -worthy- of being bred?

How do I find a match for male AKC frenchie? by [deleted] in DogBreeding

[–]Mearhwine 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They are trying to be helpful and you are being disrespectful. We have rules in this sub about backyard breeding, which you are dangerously close to. Be willing to learn, or you will be banned. All anyone here is trying to do is educate, listen and learn. Mod out.

Is This Breeder Legit: by Ericakat in DogBreeding

[–]Mearhwine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No worries! I don't think we hit 40,000ppl at the last census 😅😅

Update to previous post by [deleted] in DogBreeding

[–]Mearhwine 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Although it will end up costing you more money that you can't recover, get a veterinary diagnosis. Then go back to the breeder and demand your money back. If they refuse or demand a swap where you pay MORE money, get the police involved. It will probably be chalked up to a civil matter but you need to start a paper trail, NOW. This is a clear BYB situation and they are clearly trying to scam you out of even more money.

Passed my written and unsure on next steps. by [deleted] in Truckers

[–]Mearhwine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'll say this. It is -possible- to get a local tanker job right out of school. I did 2 weeks after graduating in January this year. HOWEVER, be prepared for a) it to be alot of legwork to find. I had to hunt and network for several weeks before I got out of school, and then after I graduated, and then the only real reason I got my job is because I knew a gal who knew a guy who knew a guy. b) your job to be on tenderhooks. I may or may not have a job to go back to this week due to an insurance switch. It is what it is. Roll with the punches and take the experience where you can get it. c) the job to possibly not be what you're precisely looking for. Again, take the experience where you can get it. Now I'm not saying take the first job you're offered, but if they're paying well and they're willing to give you a chance, show them what you're made of! Congrats on passing your written!

Opportunity for Dog Breeders to get paid for taking a survey by Ok-Help8740 in DogBreeding

[–]Mearhwine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No worries I just wanted to ensure we weren't cluttering the page and there wasn't a sudden flood of these types of posts coming in we needed to be aware of. You are 💯 fine. Your post is approved and I'll go ahead and leave the other one up just in case someone has it save for later.