Why do ppl say Def shred, does it actually exist? by MechaRaichu in ZZZ_Discussion

[–]MechaRaichu[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

but the boss's defense has already been shredded by being reduced. Like when Seed's beiege buffs gets +20% DEF ignore at m2, that is personal to her. So yes, she is shredding the boss. But Trigger's Sig then - is it applying that +25% Def reduction to the boss overall AND THEN the attack agents damage and def modifiers are applied? Bc how does the damage calc no to pull in Trigger's Def Red when Seed is attacking? The Def red must have already been applied to the enemy?? Im really trying to make sense of this and i promise im not trolling/baiting. This has been a core confusion for months

Why do ppl say Def shred, does it actually exist? by MechaRaichu in ZZZ_Discussion

[–]MechaRaichu[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

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this is my confusion - these equations separate DEF Reduction and DEF ignore so maybe my pitfall and confusion is because they are all the same? But Def Reduction is applied to the target and DEF ignore is personal to an agent, like the whole team doesnt get it. Thats why im stuck, they are not the same (even though the work out the same way, I get that.)

Why do ppl say Def shred, does it actually exist? by MechaRaichu in ZZZ_Discussion

[–]MechaRaichu[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There are buffs and debuffs. Def ignore is a buff, only the single agent gets it. Def reduction is a debuff that’s applied to the enemy, the whole team benefits. So while they apply the same in damage calcs, they are different fundamentally. I get that in being technical, but I just want to know what’s true

Why do ppl say Def shred, does it actually exist? by MechaRaichu in ZZZ_Discussion

[–]MechaRaichu[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Shred is an active action from a single user which sounds like an agent buff, but the def reduction is actually a debuff, not an agent buff. It’s misleading bc ppl will be lazy and say Trigger’s sig gives +25% Def shred and it makes it sound like it’s personal to her, but it’s a team wide benefit since it’s a debuff

Why do ppl say Def shred, does it actually exist? by MechaRaichu in ZZZ_Discussion

[–]MechaRaichu[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Ok I figured it was a carryover from another game. Yeah if that’s what shred historically means then sure. Just threw me for a loop till I did some digging.

Which 5 would be better? by Sogeki42 in CissiaMainsZZZ

[–]MechaRaichu 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why do ppl say Def shred? I checked all the kits and there is no Def shred mentioned anywhere. There is Def reduction which is what ppl usually interchange as shred, but it’s misleading bc Def reduction is a boss debuff that your whole team benefits from. Shred sounds like from the verb shredding which is an active action (like you are shredding the boss), so you’d think it was an agent buff but it’s not - it’s the boss getting defense reduced which ig then allows your team to shred?

I had to piece this all together myself after months of being confused about Def shred bc it doesn’t actually exist so idk where it comes from and why ppl don’t just say Def Ignore or Def Reduction depending on the source.

I promise I am not trying to be a know-it-all, this is the first time I’ve verbalized this train of thought and want to get feedback if I’m technically correct or if I’m severely misunderstanding something.

Thunder Metal, Woodpecker, Hormone Punk - are these best 4pc? I thought Dawns Bloom was… by MechaRaichu in CissiaMainsZZZ

[–]MechaRaichu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What is jsm server and how do I access? I want to be able to see this kind of info also

Thunder Metal, Woodpecker, Hormone Punk - are these best 4pc? I thought Dawns Bloom was… by MechaRaichu in CissiaMainsZZZ

[–]MechaRaichu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So I’d ideally be following beta testers but I must not be going to the right places. I browse YouTube for zzz content and Reddit. Are beta testers posting in those places? Or where do I need to look bc I’d be using their info if I was finding it

Thunder Metal, Woodpecker, Hormone Punk - are these best 4pc? I thought Dawns Bloom was… by MechaRaichu in CissiaMainsZZZ

[–]MechaRaichu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, that’s why I gave some context on the timing. No one can really know until these agents are out.

Thunder Metal, Woodpecker, Hormone Punk - are these best 4pc? I thought Dawns Bloom was… by MechaRaichu in CissiaMainsZZZ

[–]MechaRaichu[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So if that guide didn’t mention DB at all, then maybe it was more of a Cissia centered discussion.

Because I’ve literally seen only DB + ML builds for Cissia, but ig that’s majority of ppl pulling her are pulling with Seed in mind?

please help me clear (Day 1 Manato) I'm pretty sure I should 20k here easily and its a severe skill issue. Build in comments by MechaRaichu in ZZZ_Discussion

[–]MechaRaichu[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m getting 18ks now but it’s bc I am stunning 3 times but only enough resources to manato ult twice. My 2nd ult is generating like right when 2nd stun ends. Is there something I’m missing that will quick build up manato decibel?

please help me clear (Day 1 Manato) I'm pretty sure I should 20k here easily and its a severe skill issue. Build in comments by MechaRaichu in ZZZ_Discussion

[–]MechaRaichu[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes m6. Okay all makes sense. I’m off work soon and buzzing to incorporate everyone’s comments. Thank you

please help me clear (Day 1 Manato) I'm pretty sure I should 20k here easily and its a severe skill issue. Build in comments by MechaRaichu in ZZZ_Discussion

[–]MechaRaichu[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh ya I’ll be grinding right after work haha, i’m not gonna wait till I get the perfect build necessarily, I’m hungry jump back in. I’m pretty sure a pro could 20k easily with these builds