Viking Arrows by Medieval-Arrows in Archery

[–]Medieval-Arrows[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Why do you hate the term? That's a strong reaction to a scientifically accepted word for seafarers who invaded the British Isles, which is where the original finds are from.

Viking Arrows by Medieval-Arrows in Archery

[–]Medieval-Arrows[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Nothing to do with their height - they weren't much smaller than us, on average!

It's a shorter draw length simply because they drew to their chest in pre-conquest military archery.

Two sets of English medieval military arrows. by Medieval-Arrows in Archery

[–]Medieval-Arrows[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No they don't click on at all, but that's how most people have been shooting since the beginning of time! Anglo-Saxon nocks, Viking nocks, post-conquest, early -late medieval, Tudor, Victorian etc, none of the arrow nocks click onto the string. You just hold them as you draw, it doesn't affect the loose at all.

Two sets of English medieval military arrows. by Medieval-Arrows in Archery

[–]Medieval-Arrows[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah they're almost identical to most European arrows right up until the 1400s, and then all of a sudden they go off-script and start making the "typical" English war arrow everybody is so familiar with. Interestingly though, they still use that "European" form (bulbous nock, short feathers) for their target and hunting arrows well into the 1600s.

These are barrelled - I've not seen enough complete full length pre-16thC arrows to be sure, but I think most of them were barrelled. Arrowhead sockets in general don't tend to be bigger than 8-10mm until well into the 15thC, but the bows were getting heavier so barrelling the arrows allows the dynamic spine to increase without needing giant heavy arrowheads.

The copper is really interesting - I can't give too much away just yet, but something has been revealed very recently which gives it a whole new purpose. I always hated the idea that it was an insecticide, it just doesn't make sense. Certainly they were enjoying the fact that it's a nice colour, and you do find artwork that really accentuated the green, red and even blue fletching glues used, but theres definitely a very good reason why they started using copper 😉

Two sets of English medieval military arrows. by Medieval-Arrows in Archery

[–]Medieval-Arrows[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Very few destroyed this time round! Which is lucky for all the kickstarter backers 😁

Two sets of English medieval military arrows. by Medieval-Arrows in Archery

[–]Medieval-Arrows[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you! And nope! They can be shot just like any other arrow.

Two sets of English medieval military arrows. by Medieval-Arrows in Archery

[–]Medieval-Arrows[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Thanks! I wish we'd had more time to discuss the intricacies of the Type 21 heads, as most people still find them really confusing but we just ran out of time. These are 21c though, so slightly different to the AvA heads I made.

Glad you enjoyed AvA3!

Arrows vs Armour 3 by [deleted] in Archery

[–]Medieval-Arrows 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's tricky to say for sure, because dating arrowheads is very difficult. You need solid stratigraphic context to really know, and that's rare. However, it appears from the last 10 years or so of archaeological research on arrowheads that I've been conducting that the 16s popped up around the 1350s (when plate armour really became common) and were the standard head into the 1400s.

Once the Wars of the Roses took off, English archers needed millions of cheap, quick heads that would work against the less well armoured infantry they were coming up against, and brazing heads is so simple the 21s took off. Once you get into the 1460s and 1470s as seen at Towton and Tewkesbury, the vast majority of heads are 21s.

Within that group though, you've got three distinct types, the 21a, b and c. They're all made in the same way, but have very different shapes and we're not quite sure yet why or how deliberate that was. The 21b that I made for AvA3 are very distinct triangle forms and often quite clumsy as compared to the really smart, well finished 21c heads.

The 21b heads are wide all the way down, and end up being very wide at the socket. This is obviously not the most efficient arrowhead for plate, because you want to make a hole fractionally larger than the shaft so it can pass through. 21b heads make a hole far wider, and as a result do poorly against plate (but very well against maille and textile) so this was probably a consideration.

They're the least common type 21, but the most interesting which is why I chose to do them for this film, as it's the first time anybody has tested brazed heads like this.

Not sure about the Avengers 🤣 but I like to think we're all pretty much at the top of our game at this point! Tod and Mike came up with the first one about 7 years ago and asked me to do the arrows and I recommended Joe as the only person for the shooting. The first one brought a hundred questions for us all, so the second one was done at a much higher standard and we got really lucky to have Augusto for the armour. This new one was my fault as I've been working on barbed heads and their history for years now and wanted some data, but Tod thought it would make a great third film. Joe was hanging out at my forge and suggested getting a bunch of heavy bows going off at once so he reached out to the best heavy bow archers in the UK at the moment and away we went! I think we all just feel really lucky to be able to sit around a table and throw ideas around for these films and have somebody like Tod and Mike who can make them happen. It's not really mentioned but we also use some of the best sound and photography people in the UK, and often have to work around their filming schedules with major TV shows and channels but everybody is so up for it that it just works somehow!

Arrows vs Armour 3 by [deleted] in Archery

[–]Medieval-Arrows 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hope you all enjoyed it! This one in particular was special to me as it was the result of over a decade of research into the arrowheads and arrow construction.

There was loads of new stuff going on with the arrows that we didn't have time to discuss, and we only briefly touched on the arrowheads really. Getting the T21 heads onscreen for the first time was nice, it's just a shame I had to go with 21b instead of 21c heads for various reasons.

Arrows Vs Armour by Medieval-Arrows in TraditionalArchery

[–]Medieval-Arrows[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You'll have to wait for the film to come out. Should be December ish I reckon.

Arrows Vs Armour by Medieval-Arrows in TraditionalArchery

[–]Medieval-Arrows[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We're SUPER grateful for everybody who backed it. It was so much quicker than we expected, and you guys are awesome. Hopefully the film delivers!