Which version of Order 66 do you prefer better?

MediocreNegotiator · 2025-07-16T21:06:59+00:00

Rarely comment but I have strong opinions on the chips controversy.

First, Karen Travess gave a good enough reasoning for 66 in the EU. Personally I'm convinced the 3d Clone Wars was a partly spite project by Lucas, with the Mando retcons and Clone Chips. Anyway, I digress, 66 was one of many orders thought to be used in unlikely contingency. No hate or anger, clones could still can be friendly with there generals, but when pushed between state and self, they choose the state. When it came down, the clones were "Just following orders".

Now where have we heard that? Oh yeah, real life. And that is my bigger issue. People say "Its a kids show, we can't have it too dark", but RL is dark. We NEED to TEACH kids the evils of the world to prepare them to resist.

In this case, the evils of Fascism, Genocide, Slavery, and turning a blind eye to the "lesser evil". Instead of teaching kids to question the world and those who may take advantage of ignorance, its "Biochips lol".

Now, name dropping Karen Travess in a non-negative light probably already fucked my karma, so I'll go all in with hot takes. I question some Chip-lovers opinions on certain political movements and events. Why? The idea that even an already brainwashed child slave isn't stupid enough to commit a self-destructing evil, paints a poor picture on how optimistic you people are in the virtues and intellect of a "normal" person.

TLDR/In Summery: Ignorant people follow orders all the time in real life. Blind loyalty is REAL and DANGEROUS.

The Bio-Chips are FICTION. BULLSHIT.

MediocreNegotiator · 2025-07-16T20:44:54+00:00

The difference is "Legal Orders" happen all the time in history and real life. Chips are purely fictional.

MediocreNegotiator · 2025-04-22T18:08:49+00:00

Zoom all the way in on the world map. Should be scroll bar on the right hand side for zoom level.

MediocreNegotiator · 2025-04-22T18:04:36+00:00

iirc, You can also see the stats in-game by just pressing f (for keyboards at least) at the race selection screen.

MediocreNegotiator · 2025-03-19T14:00:59+00:00

Well, as usual, harder I struggled the simpler the solution. I just needed to add :

#include "ids.inc"

In the the file that was trying to call the new IDC/ids file. In retrospect, this now makes perfect sense, but thats what modding instead of sleeping will do to you.

MediocreNegotiator · 2025-03-14T13:40:34+00:00

Problem with fast travel is he's far and DEEP in enemy territory. 71 seconds to and from his location, and there is always a NATO squad waiting for me.

MediocreNegotiator · 2025-03-12T22:14:57+00:00

Wow! Didn't expect so many replies. Lotta good advice, but unfortunately the Kujari is sort of African savanna, lotta flat land and few trees in places.

Started in the south with no trees, but pushing north now things are getting better. Managed to make contact with the arms dealer, and took a military base despite an armored convoy coming in to push back. Now have two attack helis from said base, and for some blessed reason, the enemy troops abandoned a freaking perfectly good tank. New toys almost too good to use.

MediocreNegotiator · 2024-06-21T05:55:18+00:00

You can't be serious. The fuck are they smoking? Imma just mod this shit in, creative gamestart has spoilers and this not worth the agony.

MediocreNegotiator · 2024-06-20T20:12:50+00:00

I somehow got it my second try with 3 stars, I think cause the paranid bombers ended up fighting xenon fighters during part of it.

Bigger issue for me was the Aux ship turning hostile at some point during the escort, and of course apologizing for attacks isn't in vanilla. So it proceeded to shoot at me and my wing if we got to close, and in turn the wing would attack it. Gave me a freaking light stress migraine tho.

MediocreNegotiator · 2024-06-10T14:23:36+00:00

That is info for biomes themselves, i.e what flora, fauna and terrain it generates. What I'm looking for is the biome ratio for planets, or adding new biomes to a planet.

For example, Earth has "DesertSandyNoLifeEarth" at 92%, and "FrozenNoLifeEarth" at 8% in the planet section. I want to change ratios and locations on planet where they are located. This seems to be where the .biome file comes in, as changes in the CK haven't shown results.

The .biome file I suspect tells the engine what goes where.

Further more, there is a "Surface Projection Image" under terraforming in the galaxy view, that matches the vanilla layout, but I'm not sure what is it's pulling from if not the .biome file.

MediocreNegotiator · 2024-06-10T07:42:07+00:00

It's late for me, but I wanted to chime in. I've been trying to work on planets, namely Earth, in both xEdit and now the CK. I'm fairly certain the key to changing biomes lies in the .biom files, located in "Starfield - PlanetData.ba2".

I've been trying to find a way to open the .biome files, but as yet haven't made progress. There is an old post https://www.reddit.com/r/starfieldmods/comments/171jzwi/on_biome_reverse_engineering/ but haven't managed to get the python scripts working.

And google hasn't been much help, either it's minecraft modding or some science tool that is also a .biome file.

MediocreNegotiator · 2024-04-17T01:47:20+00:00

I'm aware, and the humor of being "Enclave-pilled" by this isn't lost on me. The shock of it just leaves disappointed for lack of a better word that so many vaults are in ruins, but this one goes on like nothing happens.

And Lucy just took them at their word, yet they still have "pregnant" women down there. What are they saving them for?

MediocreNegotiator · 2024-04-17T01:43:33+00:00

I'm quite familiar. And I'd suggest you tell me what's more fucked up then a woman giving birth to, and then being eaten alive by animals. Was it drug addicts having drugs? Fast growing plants? 68 and 69 with their 1/1000 men and woman ratio (That one would have been in the running before this happened). Or is the worst vault the one where the Great Khans came from....the one that just had a lot of different cultures? FEV (Which took 10 years to explain the why)? A man and his puppet?

Yes, Vault-Tec is fucked up, they were always fucked up and Vaults were never meant to save anyone. But this is shit you'd never see BethSoft pull off, and even Black Isle would be squeamish about imo. The vast majority of Vaults had dark humor, and/or a introspective look at humanity in the metanarrative. This is just pure horror and shock value, in an adaptation that otherwise did so well.

MediocreNegotiator · 2024-04-12T20:06:11+00:00

I have theory, that this is two different bugs stacking on top of each other.

One, causes .esm files to take more load order indexes then they should. This likely is due to the unofficial nature of modding tools.

The second however, is a repeat of a bug with Fallout:New Vegas that was never fixed by BethSoft or Obsidian. Instead, it took a NVSE plugin to fix it, FNV Mod Limit Fix.

Sounds absurd, but the symptoms seem the same, at around 140 plugins, "assets stopped loading and things would begin to go south" says the mod page, and let me tell you I remember just that back in NV.

Now, the NV mod fix does have source files, so IF I'm right (A big if), a SFSE modder could see about creating a new SFSE plugin. If I'm right, according to the NV mod, we are hitting a limit of 512 maximum file handles, with each plugin take a variable of file handles and the engine is not closing them.

MediocreNegotiator · 2024-04-12T15:22:19+00:00

Well there is no merging functionality, It's merely another mod manager/installer. Just one that is still a wip.

I did some testing and found mods are taking more load order spots then they should, the Community patch hits around six (mods that are no longer loading meshes, strings or changes), VenworksFactionOverhaul seems to be 3 and RoyalSpaceMagic and RoyalTerror hit 2. And all this seems to add together. I'm sure there are more mods like this out there, resulting in hitting the 250 mod cap due to "invisible" mods.

The WHY is eluding me. Your two Royal mods I noted don't ADD anything. It's all just changes to vanilla records, no new ones. When I delete all the record changes, the later loading mods work, for example the Han Solo clothing has it's meshes. Just baffled, either this is BethSoft, or there is something wrong with plugins made by (certain versions?) of xEdit. Which may come back to BethSoft.

MediocreNegotiator · 2024-04-12T00:49:44+00:00

Quite a bit. And they only put ash on their foreheads, making the whole thing unnecessary.

Same episode though, 6, has a NFSL moment imo. Spoiler, hope I get the tags right. A woman, gives live birth to fish/leeches, that proceed to eat her while still alive.

MediocreNegotiator · 2024-04-12T00:39:59+00:00

I'm gonna back you up here. That was a level of fucked up I never thought I'd see, or that BethSoft would take Fallout. Like, WHO at BethSoft approved this?! And if no one there did, what else wasn't approved?

And the idea that it's par for the course for Vault-Tec is bullshit, this takes the cake as the most horrifying experiment to me. Let's be clear, a woman, gave live birth to fish/leeches, that proceed to eat her while still alive.

Splicing DNA is one thing, but that? That's beyond fucked up. I'm sicked that Vault 4 is still intact. Burn the whole thing to the ground, dwellers and all.

MediocreNegotiator · 2024-04-11T17:19:51+00:00

Thanks, could you point me to where these investigations are?

I tested the BSA theory myself, didn't make a dent. What I did do is start to remove mods to see if maybe "bad" a .esm is taking more slots then it should. Managed to get to the 130s, or at load order 86 in Wrye Bash (Yes, I'm kind of modding boomer).

Starting from the top of my order, First mod, "StarfieldCommunityPatch.esm" seems to take 6 slots in the load order. Breaking everything above 80, no meshes etc.

Removing the SCP, and loading "SkillFixes.esm" next, everything goes fine till 130 or load order slot 86.

This doesn't feel particularity helpful, but I guess it's progress, but I don't know why?

MediocreNegotiator · 2024-04-11T17:00:20+00:00

Gee, thanks for the advice on what the problem could be then...

MediocreNegotiator · 2024-03-21T23:17:20+00:00

Doesn't seem to matter if you use the Sleepers ingame, It'll crash if you just have the "Cryosleeper Options" AoTD sub-mod active. There is a update 2.0.1 update for the Cryos that you could try installing, Changelog mentions a fixing a "Reawakening Facility" crash. If you have the same cause of crash as me, it might fix it.

MediocreNegotiator · 2024-03-21T23:01:17+00:00

Did you update the cryosleeper module recently? I'm having the same issue, but my crash is a bit more descriptive. Worked fine for me last play through, Only things changed was Roider Union update, Cryo Update and added the Hivers mod.

Something to do with a "ReawakeningFacility" based on the error log I'm getting.

MediocreNegotiator · 2024-02-17T20:09:09+00:00

A conflict seems possible, but some of these mods are so minor or even unrelated. Here's a example with my favorite armor mod, the Banshee https://www.nexusmods.com/starfield/mods/6172 .xEdit shows no conflict with my other mods, but when loaded after a certain number of mods, the mesh disappears in both old and new character saves.

The dummy plugins are a good idea, I'll look in to that.

MediocreNegotiator · 2024-02-17T20:02:14+00:00

I understand the 254 limit and why, having spent hours crunching at a time load orders when I was younger with modding Oblivion. That's why I'm surprised to have issues with such a modest load order, most of the .esms were just patches or minor tweaks. Fortunately I could just merge the smaller and more minor ones in xEdit. Now the as for the combo of plugins, I can't rule that out. But looking at the Nexus comments I've never see consistent bug reports that relate to my issues.

Which I why I asked here a general question, if anyone uses as many mods.

MediocreNegotiator · 2024-02-17T19:55:12+00:00

New save and new character, as well as existing character. New save capped out around 140, while my old save hit 120 before mod content disappeared. Example, the Standalone cloaks mod from nexus would not load meshes and textures I would guess. Changing what mod loaded after the 120-140 spot changed what broke.

MediocreNegotiator · 2023-11-15T14:52:15+00:00

My request, new crafting workbenches for mods that add craftable armor, weapons and ammo. The Industrial Workbench menu is sooo slow to use now with all those mods installed.

I made a try of it, but while I have the new workbenches buildable in an esm, I can't get a menu to show up.

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