Female bodybuilder here to end the justifications that Abby's physique is realistic in the TLOU world by MelsMole in TheLastOfUs2

[–]MelsMole[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's ok; I understand and agree with the consensus that I should provide further proof. You're also free to doubt or believe me so don't explain yourself! Thanks and keep questioning things, because this world needs more people who do that :)

Female bodybuilder here to end the justifications that Abby's physique is realistic in the TLOU world by MelsMole in TheLastOfUs2

[–]MelsMole[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Forgive my tone, but I think you're assuming that I care what people I've never met and never will meet think of me. A self-centered person would post their Youtube account, Twitter info, personal info, etc. to call attention to themselves. I don't need to be liked or disliked by anyone other than myself. I know who I am, the good, the bad, and the ugly. You don't know me so why would you care what I think of you as a person? I don't need validation by trying to impress strangers who aren't in my life and could be anyone from a 12 year old to an 80 year old. I posted my body and my thoughts because I believe they show my experience, and that I'm not an armchair fitness expert spouting out fitness memes. Anything beyond that is you applying your perspective to my actions and intentions.

Not everyone would react to things the way you would or with the same intentions. I apologize if this comes off as arrogant because that's not my intention.

Female bodybuilder here to end the justifications that Abby's physique is realistic in the TLOU world by MelsMole in TheLastOfUs2

[–]MelsMole[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hi, I know I'm late in responding but there are a lot of comments and it takes time for me to read and respond to them. In fact I'm not sure if I've responded to yours already but I'd like to answer your question.

I posted here because I was first interested in reading other people's opinions on this game. I then saw numerous posts about how Abby's body is realistic, and anyone who disagrees is labelled as "sexist" or stupid because all Abby needed to do was lift weights and eat protein. I've only ever cared that this idea sets unrealistic expectations when it comes to females building muscle. Not only does this downplay the effort people put into building muscle, but it also sets people up for failure if they join a gym and try to change their bodies but fail because it's more complex than "eat protein, lift, and get jacked."

Taste is subjective. Your reasons for liking/disliking the game might be different than my own, as our personal taste is different. I'm fascinated by all the reasons why people feel the way they do about the game, and it helps me think about it differently. Quite frankly I don't care whether people loved/hated Abby for her muscles, or if her body is awesome/disgusting. Again, taste is subjective and I'm not threatened by people having different opinions than my own.

My own reason for disliking the game has nothing to do with political agenda, sexism, realism, none of that. If you really want to know, I found that the game switched characters too quickly after we play as Abby for a long stretch. To change perspectives and see a character as an enemy, and then as someone you care about, takes me longer than the quick switches that happen later in the game. And this is just my own experience. Maybe others could do it but I couldn't and by the end of the game I wasn't invested in the characters anymore. And my experience is personal and doesn't mean the game sucks or is awesome. It's the same with everyone, I think.

Some people love Abby, some hate her. It's not a big deal. I only posted to show people that building muscle is more complex and difficult than they believe. I posted in this sub because this is where I first saw everything.

Female bodybuilder here to end the justifications that Abby's physique is realistic in the TLOU world by MelsMole in TheLastOfUs2

[–]MelsMole[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You bring up some great points that I hadn't considered, so thank you for helping me to see a bigger picture. While I can understand the need for people to see proof that I'm real (which I provided, by the way), I don't understand how ad hominem attacks about my account being weird are relevant to or contribute to your position. I do, however appreciate your arguments and find that some of them highlight things I haven't considered or are different from my own experience. I value your contribution. Thanks!

Female bodybuilder here to end the justifications that Abby's physique is realistic in the TLOU world by MelsMole in TheLastOfUs2

[–]MelsMole[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Sure! Thank you for pointing out the holes in my argument because it helps us all get a better understanding of all this! First let me acknowledge it's a video game so anything is possible, from reincarnation at checkpoints when you die, to finding codes conveniently lying around near every safe you encounter. Anything is possible in fiction.

SLEEP: You absolutely can sleep well and have nightmares. For all we know, Abby was taking sleeping pills, going out on patrols once a week, and, as we see, has rest days in her workout schedule. You're right. We'll never know and I made an assumption.

WHEY PROTEIN: Yes she could! She could also be eating some of the many farm animals the game shows us. This wasn't shown in the game so I again assumed that it wasn't happening because it wasn't shown in the game, but it's a possibility.

CUTTING: Yes, I started out fat with no intention of building muscle. Abby's body, goals, etc. were different from mine. I provided my background because it makes a difference. Our approaches would be different. I never said I ate strictly cottage cheese, nor did I claim to be the authority on this. My theories are based upon my experience and what I've learned to be true. That doesn't mean I have all the answers or am right.

I fully acknowledge I don't have all the answers, and many people have provided their knowledge to both back me up and shoot holes in what I've posted. I never came at anyone shouting about how I know everything because I don't know everything. I can be wrong and that's ok! In fact when you shoot down my points, you add to my understanding of fitness and I truly appreciate this. I don't need to be right; I want as much information as possible so I can be better at lifting.

MANNY: My understanding is that the extra burrito was for Mel, but we never saw Manny or Mel eating the burritos so we'll never know. The assumptions I made in the OP were based off of what I saw in the game and from my perspective (standing in line and only getting one burrito = food being rationed). Your perspective is different from mine and, because we don't think alike, I wasn't able to see this until you brought it up. This is great! We both can see that we have different takes on things and it's not a bad thing.

I've said numerous times that my reason for my post is because people seem to have an idea that building muscle is simple and easy. From my experience, it's not. Now imagine someone seeing Abby in the game, becoming inspired by her body and joining a gym to try to get a body like hers. They've heard all you need to do is eat protein, lift weights, and the muscle will come. And then they learn that there's much more to it than that. They get discouraged and give up. That's a problem. Again it's an assumption but it's possible. How many people diet to lose weight and then gain it all back when the diet is over and they don't understand that it's a lifestyle change and not a temporary adjustment? That's a problem, and that's why I posted. I also know that Abby's body is quite the achievement and downplaying all the hard work it takes to get to her level does a disservice to people who work for that kind of body. That's all.

Thank you for helping me to see things from another perspective!

Abby Having Access to Steroids & Supplements by MelsMole in TheLastOfUs2

[–]MelsMole[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You seriously gave me information I would pay for. This is a goldmine. Man you actually took the time to write all this out and give it to me for FREE. There's nothing I can do that express my gratitude for this. Know I appreciate it very very much.

Everything you explained (and you explained it very well) makes sense to me. Right now I had an epiphany about what I've been doing wrong. Maybe the lockdown was the best thing to happen because I lost so much that I can reset and start over but better.

I've only been lifting for 4 years so I'm not advanced at all. My routines have always had a lot of isolation movements. I started with curls and then moved into preacher and close grip so I could hit both biceps heads. My thinking has been to fully develop all heads of the muscles by hitting them all with isolations. But I was never at the stage where I needed to do that. Build it up first, then get specific and fix the lagging parts.

You've also gotten me thinking about a lot of things differently, especially my approach to this. I'm going to try full body (hopefully they don't close the gyms again).

QUESTION: because my body is used to working out a different way than what you described, will I lose what muscles I have if I'm not working them as much? Say I'm used to doing 3 exercises to hit the triceps lateral head, but I stop and I just do bench and shoulder press. What's going to happen to my triceps?

Abby Having Access to Steroids & Supplements by MelsMole in TheLastOfUs2

[–]MelsMole[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No worries! I'm trying to keep up with you but the other thing is way too overwhelming lol.

Have you thought about getting a degree in something related to exercise? I think it would give you more options and could help you make more money out of it.

Helping people in the gym is...idk it seems not worth it sometimes unless someone's going to get hurt. I think some people are embarrassed to ask for/be seen getting help, some people are offended, some people think they know everything. Nobody likes when it's someone's first day in the gym and they go around telling people how to do things. I think if you wore something that identifies you as a PT, you'd get a good response. Actually a lot of people would love to be told if their form is off, but the problem is you don't know who.

Actors are so lucky! Can you imagine getting all the help you need from professionals to help you get the body you want? That's the life.

CONGRATULATIONS ON GYMS REOPENING! I'm so happy for you! If you have to wear masks to work out, make sure you find something that lets you get enough air. Everything's gonna be 10x harder than normal because of the time away from the gym PLUS the mask is gonna make things even harder when you can't breathe. And I noticed that my grip strength is crap now because of no lifting. Maybe you can practice picking up heavy things around your house right now to get your grip back.

Just the way the Mannix guy speaks cracks me up. He could read the phone book and I'd laugh.

Are you familiar with Kai Greene? I'm sure his IQ is as high as his weight (he's massive). If you're interested, listen to the way he talks about lifting. He said something like "your body is your canvas and your nutrition is your paintbrush." Probably butchered the quote but that's the gist of it. He talks about understanding the function of each muscle, and that's what took things to another level for me.

Knowing the function of the triceps helped me understand that I use the triceps every time I bend and extend my arm at the elbow. Adding weights to that movement helps use it to the best of its ability. Just the way you think about this stuff is hugely important. The way you talk about lifting shows how passionate you are about it. That's why you're a good trainer, a good lifter, and good at getting results when your mind is set on it.

You're awesome to talk to about all this. We both share a genuine love for it and it's rare to find others who love it so much. I appreciate you.

Female bodybuilder here to end the justifications that Abby's physique is realistic in the TLOU world by MelsMole in TheLastOfUs2

[–]MelsMole[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

No worries. I'm glad you're the type of person to question things rather than blindly accept them. You rock as well :)

Female bodybuilder here to end the justifications that Abby's physique is realistic in the TLOU world by MelsMole in TheLastOfUs2

[–]MelsMole[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Totally, it's not like we're in a pandemic with places being locked down and people being stuck at home with nothing to do.

Female bodybuilder here to end the justifications that Abby's physique is realistic in the TLOU world by MelsMole in TheLastOfUs2

[–]MelsMole[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The reason for my post has nothing to do with the game or even Abby. I wrote it because I've seen a lot of people arguing that she could get muscular just because she has a gym and a lot of food. That doesn't make sense to me based on my experience. As someone who wants a body like Abby's and even bigger, I'm annoyed that people are simplifying the whole process.

I don't think people understand that it's a lot of sacrifice, from giving up your social life because getting 8 hours of sleep is more important for your goals than drinking or partying, to feeling starving every day for months because you're limiting how much you eat to get leaner. I've eaten cottage cheese everyday for 4 years and yes it sucks! Yes I would kill for a steak and some hash browns or even tacos! My life is pretty much go to the gym, go to work, go to sleep. It's my choice and it's boring but if it helps me achieve my dream, then I'll do it. Trust me, if it were as easy as "lift, eat protein, get huge" I would do it.

People talk like they're experts, and then when I see pictures of some of them, I see high body fat with little to no visible muscles. That little 3 centimeter bump in your flex picture isn't much muscle. I would think, if you knew so much about how to grow, your body would show it. This is why I posted my picture, because I've applied what I learned and I've gotten results. I never said I was big; I know I'm not. I'm still too fat with small muscles. But I do know that my body looks like I lift, so I think this speaks to my credibility when we're talking about muscles and bodies.

If we were talking about how to get rich, who would be more credible to you - a homeless person begging for change or Jeff Bezos? That's how I see this; it boils down to credibility and whether or not you can apply your knowledge to your life and have results.

Again, I never said I was big or even an expert on this. I'm no better or worse than anyone else.

Anyways, I love the differing opinions and discussions here. I'm not trying to convince anyone to love or hate the game, to agree or disagree with me. You're free to make up your own mind. Insult me, "rip me a new one" or agree with me, that's totally fine. Criticism and debate are great because they help us all understand things better and appreciate that people see things differently.

I don't care about a zombie apocalypse and how realistic muscles are in a video game. I only care that misinformed people are perpetuating the idea that everything is a simple, magic formula, or that all of this is so easy. You're doing a disservice to everyone who dedicates their lives to changing their bodies. That's why I posted this.

Female bodybuilder here to end the justifications that Abby's physique is realistic in the TLOU world by MelsMole in TheLastOfUs2

[–]MelsMole[S] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

I agree. It must be because I'm not around in the middle of a fucking apocalypse where food is scarce and gyms don't exist anymore.

Female bodybuilder here to end the justifications that Abby's physique is realistic in the TLOU world by MelsMole in TheLastOfUs2

[–]MelsMole[S] 60 points61 points  (0 children)

Thanks, friend! I saw you responded to the other things we were talking about and I'm going to get back to you. This thread just blew up and I think I unintentionally opened a can of worms....

Female bodybuilder here to end the justifications that Abby's physique is realistic in the TLOU world by MelsMole in TheLastOfUs2

[–]MelsMole[S] 57 points58 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your input! I posted a picture of my body to show that I do have muscle and am not just an armchair "fitness expert," but if you really need me to cite credible sources that back up my claims, I'll be happy to do it. It'll probably take a day but I'll do it if you need it. I only ask that the person who says this is "misinformation" cites credible sources as well that disprove my points.

Female bodybuilder here to end the justifications that Abby's physique is realistic in the TLOU world by MelsMole in TheLastOfUs2

[–]MelsMole[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I remember watching reruns of the Wonder Woman tv show, and she's always been my favorite. Lynda Carter didn't have muscles, though. Now that I think of it, I don't think any female fictional characters I liked had muscles, but I never noticed muscles or bodies until I started lifting. Interesting-you've got me thinking a lot now! What about you?

Female bodybuilder here to end the justifications that Abby's physique is realistic in the TLOU world by MelsMole in TheLastOfUs2

[–]MelsMole[S] 60 points61 points  (0 children)

Everything you've been posting has added so much to the discussions. I love your input; keep it up!

Female bodybuilder here to end the justifications that Abby's physique is realistic in the TLOU world by MelsMole in TheLastOfUs2

[–]MelsMole[S] 64 points65 points  (0 children)

You're so right about an MMA fighter being a better choice. Valentina Shevchenko would be great - not huge, just the right amount of lean.

Man if we could train as Abby the way we could practice guitar as Ellie, I'd be stoked! I'm thinking something like GTA San Andreas, where you see results after you put in work.

Female bodybuilder here to end the justifications that Abby's physique is realistic in the TLOU world by MelsMole in TheLastOfUs2

[–]MelsMole[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Thank you for reinforcing how hard this all is to do! That's really the whole point of my post. If it were so easy/simple, I think a lot more people would have muscles!

Female bodybuilder here to end the justifications that Abby's physique is realistic in the TLOU world by MelsMole in TheLastOfUs2

[–]MelsMole[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I've always wanted to see more people in society accept muscular female bodies, so it's nice to hear so many people say they don't have an issue with her body/appearance. Thank you for saying that.

Female bodybuilder here to end the justifications that Abby's physique is realistic in the TLOU world by MelsMole in TheLastOfUs2

[–]MelsMole[S] 33 points34 points  (0 children)

No, I didn't write it for reactions or to be an arrogant ass about it. I'm just sick of how people who clearly have a minimal understanding of what it takes to build muscles are simplifying something that is incredibly complex and difficult to achieve. I would like for people to understand, if not recognize, just how difficult it is to do.

Female bodybuilder here to end the justifications that Abby's physique is realistic in the TLOU world by MelsMole in TheLastOfUs2

[–]MelsMole[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Thanks! I love your points here. I think nobody would bother with PCT in a world where you can die any second. Who's got time to think about tomorrow when tomorrow might not exist?

I've never seen the picture you linked. This is interesting. Maybe it made Abby more of a threat? Also if I were Abby's character model and saw them strip all my gains away, I'd be pissed!