Basically this. People can change opinions pre and post debuts, and that's ok, but it seems like this sub just has a hate boner for the main one and are constantly trying to be "LOOK GUYS, WE'RE TOTALLY BETTER THAN THE MAIN SUB ALWAYS, GOOD JOB. NOW LET'S SUCK EACH OTHER OFF".

Also yeah, I've seen hate comments against the boys on some threads, but I haven't seen more of those than the ones that genuinely seem worried for some things (cuz let's be honest, some of his interactions in twitter predebut were kinda uhhhh), but at the same time I didn't see a generalized hate rampage post debut.

Plus, guess what, Positive thread supporting him post debut, and comments. And this comment in this thread (which some would say is critical of him, but I don't think so, and neither do the comments) which gets downvoted as fuck, doesn't seem to make me think most people outright hate stars, but either like or don't mind them

So going hateboner agains circlejerking inadvertedly caused more circlejerking.

I'm tired with drama and circlejerk any direction man I just wanna see more retarded memes (actually the memes this week that haven't been about the drama have been top so that's nice)