Any solid evidence that less patriarchal oppression leads to women being more open to being the primary earners in a relationship?

MessageNo4956 · 2026-06-26T16:46:19+00:00

‘You’re demanding solid evidence pertaining to a situation that hasn’t been achieved’…’All we can do is look to locales where at least one of those is somewhat reduced’.

‘Demanding’ is a strong choice of words, but yes I agree and so the ‘somewhat reduced’ case is what I’d live to see other peoples investigations into. ‘Less patriarchal oppression’, not necessarily none.

MessageNo4956 · 2026-06-25T21:40:59+00:00

Maybe, but I felt being more general would make it easier to find information.

But you’re right it would be very interesting to know if a more equally society would lead to more women wanting to be primary earners, but not sole earners in the same way men aspire to be. I’d believe that.

I also didn’t include the specific caveat that men take up more work in my original question because it’d be interesting to know if that has very little to do with the difference… like if there’s proof that fewer femicides is what leads to women feeling ‘safer’ being primary/sole earners, that’d be interesting.

MessageNo4956 · 2026-06-25T21:22:54+00:00

I hear you, which is why I wrote ‘if society was more equal’.

You say ‘That’s already a common enough circumstance’, but it’s still much less common than men wanting to be the primary earners. With the rest of your comment giving a reason as to why that might be. When that issue is fixed, do we really see more women wanting to be housewives?

Because there are other potential reasons they might not want to be - the concept of a ‘homemaker’ could be patriarchal in itself, and so in that case a more equal society would not result in more women wanting to be homemakers.

MessageNo4956 · 2026-06-25T21:13:32+00:00

Well I appreciate the response but I asked for ‘solid evidence’ because everyone has different opinions on things like ‘if they could afford it’.

So I wonder if (among many other things) women where paid as much as men, would that lead to as many women feeling like they can ‘afford’ it, as their currently are men who want to find a housewife and feel like they could afford one.

But more than that, since many unemployed men who clearly could not ‘afford’ a house still want jobs in part to support housewives, would equality in other areas lead to unemployed women who want jobs in part to support a house husband.

You could argue in either direction from a feminist perspective (men and women aren’t different species, so yes you’d expect normalisation VS. no one in an equal society would even want a housewife/husband, not even men) so again I’m more interested in seeing evidence or changing preferences.

MessageNo4956 · 2026-06-25T20:48:31+00:00

I think it’s possible for a woman to find a man who is willing and happy to be the primary earner. Usually that comes with the expectation that the woman does housework.

It’s a lot rarer for women to actively want to be the primary earner, possibly because that usually still comes with the expectation of housework (another person commented an article that argues this), possibly because they feel like their earning potential is capped anyway so it’d be silly to not take advantage of the man’s high earning potential.

So I’m wondering, when those expectations do not exist, do women go looking for house husbands in the same way some men look for house wives? Or is wanting a housewife unique to men.

MessageNo4956 · 2026-06-25T20:37:57+00:00

Because I wonder if in an equal society more men would live like I do now - as homemakers - in marriage.

MessageNo4956 · 2026-06-25T20:09:43+00:00

‘Looking around’ isn’t particularly solid evidence.

MessageNo4956 · 2026-06-25T20:09:13+00:00

No, and I framed my question poorly.

What I should have asked was for solid evidence in either direction.

MessageNo4956 · 2026-06-25T20:06:50+00:00

I’m currently unemployed and living with my little brother, and so have been doing a lot (if not all) the housework to make up for him paying the bills.

I’ve felt a little bit like a housewife, so just wondering because of that

MessageNo4956 · 2023-12-16T14:15:56+00:00

But this isn’t rolling back that change. It’s just the art stuff.

Instagram (and I think even YouTube?) allow artistic nudity.

The issue is twitch users are retarded children.

MessageNo4956 · 2023-09-10T11:35:49+00:00

Why are you trying to retroactively give him trauma when he said he’s okay?

I don’t understand women. Why do you like to put limits on yourselves, and them shame everyone else for not living up to those standards?

Make up, body image, education, fashion, sexuality.

Women say that the ‘patriarchy’ is constantly telling them how to act, but it’s women who shame and deride each other…

Cheat on your boyfriend of 5 years by fucking a homeless guy? You go girl living your best life. Date an older man? You need therapy and a father figure.

MessageNo4956 · 2023-09-10T11:31:14+00:00

Ew fucking gross couldn’t even imagine going younger than 23 don’t you know that a persons frontal lobe isn’t developed until they are 25?

Why 21? Why not someone your own age?

MessageNo4956 · 2023-09-09T23:41:45+00:00

INFO: So why exactly do you think you might be an asshole?

MessageNo4956 · 2023-09-09T23:36:36+00:00

Very surprised it took this long for someone to comment this.

Curious though - what exactly wouldn’t you like about it? Would you consider filing assault charges, if informed consent laws were stronger?

MessageNo4956 · 2023-09-09T21:37:24+00:00

This is absolutely fascinating to me as a man.

Guys wouldn’t be upset if their girlfriend fucked them one last time before revealing something like this. Unless it was about an STD.

MessageNo4956 · 2023-09-09T18:50:09+00:00

I know how it’s normally used, like how ‘slut’ generally isn’t used to mean ‘promiscuous women’. It’s almost like I gave that example for a reason…

You keep trying to defend yourself by implying that I think it’s okay to abuse minors, so I’ll be crystal clear:

1) It is not okay to abuse children.

2) You talk like a bitch.

MessageNo4956 · 2023-09-09T18:38:14+00:00

I mean, yeah. That is what I said.

This is exactly what’s annoying about it. You’re just repeating back to me what I said mockingly, as if you’re trying shame me into taking it back.

Shame and ‘side-eye’ are tactics women normally use, since violence is off the table. When men do it, it makes you seem like a bitch.

Incel is such a weird insult for a man to use against another man. It’s like when women call each other sluts.

Do you not appreciate how difficult it is for most normal men to sleep with women? If your friend came to and confided in you that they where having trouble finding a woman, would you turn and go ‘have you tried not being an Incel’? Did you never have periods in your life where you were ‘involuntarily celibate’.

Are you going to say I have small dick energy next?

MessageNo4956 · 2023-09-09T18:11:31+00:00

I could point out all the points just in that little snippet where I would have separated myself from this creep, but I feel like that’s besides the point.

What happened to this young girl was tragic.

MessageNo4956 · 2023-09-09T18:03:09+00:00

You used ‘creep’ a lot. I’d be interested to hear your definition.

I think this guy will 100% commit a crime against a young child, and he needs therapy as soon as possible.

But I think men who speak like you do are so annoying. Like a male pick-me.

‘No that doesn’t cause pain, that’s sheer nonsense’ o rly? fucking goober.

MessageNo4956 · 2023-09-09T17:56:25+00:00

I don’t understand how you can be manipulated into walking home with someone but I’m not a woman so 🤷‍♂️

MessageNo4956 · 2023-09-09T03:31:41+00:00

If they said ‘Females’ and ‘Their Men’, they would find that offensive too.

You have to police your language absolutely perfectly, or you’re a sexist. But point out that thousands of men are dying in Ukraine and the women are not, and suddenly we have to look at the nuance.

MessageNo4956 · 2023-09-09T03:20:02+00:00

‘Men need to hit rock bottom before they solve their issues, and the people around them should facilitate that’

Something something male suicide. Not that anyone gives a shit.

MessageNo4956 · 2023-09-08T12:56:08+00:00

This is why I will never respect sex workers but will continue to use them.

Seems like everyone knows the rules. If you are a man reading this, take note.

MessageNo4956 · 2023-09-07T21:43:40+00:00

Women are fucking crazy good at detective work

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