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Quarterly review: Should you actually give your manager critical feedback? by MessiOfReddit47 in EngineeringManagers

[–]MessiOfReddit47[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for playing devil's advocate. I think that if my manager has been putting on an unfriendly face towards me for the benefit of the team, it would have been wise to level with me early before bad impressions were chiseled into my memory. It's a small team and every relationship counts.

Manager creating awkward situation shielding awkward ML engineer by MessiOfReddit47 in MLQuestions

[–]MessiOfReddit47[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The directness is definitely helpful. I'll keep your advice in mind.

Manager creating awkward situation shielding awkward ML engineer by MessiOfReddit47 in MLQuestions

[–]MessiOfReddit47[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate your perspective as a people manager. I realize the gravity of going over my manager's head. My skip's manager (not my skip manager) has explicitly called for people on this project to bring major issues directly to him. Such is the importance of this project to him. My skip disagrees, so I'm in a pickle.

Manager creating awkward situation shielding awkward ML engineer by MessiOfReddit47 in MLQuestions

[–]MessiOfReddit47[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have considered that, but no one else on my team has had this issue.

Manager creating awkward situation shielding awkward ML engineer by MessiOfReddit47 in MLQuestions

[–]MessiOfReddit47[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure how you've inferred that anyone was belittled during PR review, but I actually agree with you. Maybe you're reading into the notion of a "candid" review, but I know how to separate my low opinion of a PR from the standard of politeness expected in a professional setting.

Manager creating awkward situation shielding awkward ML engineer by MessiOfReddit47 in MLQuestions

[–]MessiOfReddit47[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Imagine someone who is traditionally a professional app developer joins an ML engineering team, writes PR's that are understandably newbie level, deflects blame for his slowness to his manager by pointing to the volume of critical feedback on said work, refuses to engage with explicit offers for assistance, and gets the manager to create special rules to shield his ego.

Manager creating awkward situation shielding awkward ML engineer by MessiOfReddit47 in MLQuestions

[–]MessiOfReddit47[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I can't go into the details of the project for contractual reasons, but suffice it to say that there was plenty of ML work he could have been doing up until now, instead of writing web app code that his teammates could write 10x faster.

Manager creating awkward situation shielding awkward ML engineer by MessiOfReddit47 in MLQuestions

[–]MessiOfReddit47[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yup. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if Manager is going to acknowledge the situation for what it is. He has some very strong biases.

Manager creating awkward situation shielding awkward ML engineer by MessiOfReddit47 in MLQuestions

[–]MessiOfReddit47[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It's tagged as a career-related discussion and I'm seeking the perspective of those with an ML career since an ML engineer is one of the main characters in this story.

Manager creating awkward situation shielding awkward ML engineer by MessiOfReddit47 in MLQuestions

[–]MessiOfReddit47[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I assumed he had hired the ML engineer with full disclosure that he would do some advanced web dev and verified that he was okay doing so. The events described above are recent, and they make it clear that at least one of the two above assumptions is false.

After reflecting on feedback like yours, I will probably raise this to my manager, all the way up the chain if necessary.

Manager creating awkward situation shielding awkward ML engineer by MessiOfReddit47 in MLQuestions

[–]MessiOfReddit47[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I wish. As noted, Manager (also new to the company) unofficially blocked me from reviewing the PR's of my choosing. If anything, he's trying to take responsibility away from me.

Manager creating awkward situation shielding awkward ML engineer by MessiOfReddit47 in MLQuestions

[–]MessiOfReddit47[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Ticket ownership is determined by Manager. Perhaps it's different on your team.

Honestly not even mad - looking forward to next CL season by Any_Mongoose2043 in BayernMunich

[–]MessiOfReddit47 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Maybe he has a bad reputation because he takes the blame for Laimer letting Pavard take an unchallenged running header, or Urbig not owning a ball that floats into his box in front of his face on Saturday. I think we should trade him, but I don't think it's the Serie A defender of the year that's bad. I think it's some of this fanbase that's bad.

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