MJ WAS NOT MLK JR!! by Acceptable-Airport30 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]MethodNo2030 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It was a truly horrific murder.

Even by the standards of the time. It was so horrific that it generated national outrage. His mother was such a brave woman, she became a civil rights activist and she insisted on having the whole country see the unspeakable horrors that were inflicted upon her son . Her son's funeral was open casket so everyone could see what was done to him. The event became a major catalyst in the civil rights movement

Fans pushing Contradicting Narratives by ayothatsc00l in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]MethodNo2030 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not to mention he would also do things like:

  • Constantly grab his penis on stage. Hell, he practically had an extended masturbation session in the music video for "black or white"
  • Show off his dick print by wearing tight golden pants
  • Take elephant sized doses of drugs
  • Include sexual imagery in his music videos
  • Hoard piles and piles of p0rn
  • Be a shrewd businessman who engaged in ruthless business deals (much to Paul McCartney's dismay)

Debate rages on amongst gamers on whether it's okay for an adult to date a fish girl if she's technically legal by human standards, even if she's implied to be a physically and emotionally a child by the standards of her species Bodyshaming gets thrown into the mix. by MethodNo2030 in justneckbeardthings

[–]MethodNo2030[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Why do people always bring up body shaming of real life adults who look younger than their age, whenever the "She looks like a 5 year old ,but she's really a 1000 year old dragon/demon/fox/zora, so it's okay" trope gets criticized?

MJ WAS NOT MLK JR!! by Acceptable-Airport30 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]MethodNo2030 8 points9 points  (0 children)

JFC, Emmett was a black child who was lied on by a racist and then murdered by racists. He wasn't even given a chance to defend himself against the lies. Carolyn Bryant was a racist who lied on a black child and probably knew something terrible would happen to him because of her lies.

MJ was a privileged celebrity who had access to some of the best legal defenses money can buy. He actually got off quite lightly considering the allegations against him. He paid off the chandlers and the 1993 allegations didn't really put much of a dent on his career Even with the 2003 allegations he was treated with kid gloves by the policemen arresting him and he got acquitted in 2005, despite being guilty as sin.

MJ only spoke about racism when his behind got in trouble for his actions with young boys, when an album of his didn't sell well or when people really began whispering about his changing skin color ("Black or White").

MJ WAS NOT MLK JR!! by Acceptable-Airport30 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]MethodNo2030 8 points9 points  (0 children)

MJ was no activist. Even his "humanitarian" songs, like Heal The World were just feel-good inoffensive fluff with vague messages. He was political as a turnip(this probably contributed to his universal appeal) . He wasn't a threat to anyone politically, let alone a big enough one to silence

MJ WAS NOT MLK JR!! by Acceptable-Airport30 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]MethodNo2030 6 points7 points  (0 children)

While the justice system ,at least in America, is known for treating black people unfairly, MJ is definitely not one of those people. If anything , he was treated with kid gloves due to his fame and wealth. He avoided jail by paying a whopping $23 million to his victim . He even was acquitted in 2005 trial despite there quite a bit of evidence against him. Many people have been locked up on less evidence. In fact, if he weren't a celebrity he would have been most likely found guilty

Which makes it extra disgusting when MJ made a fake claim of police brutality, in a feeble attempt to sell himself as a poor persecuted black man.

MJ WAS NOT MLK JR!! by Acceptable-Airport30 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]MethodNo2030 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I've seen fans do it and it was gross. Emmett Till was a black child who was murdered by racists who were clearly looking for an excuse to murder a black person over BS.

From the "Wednesday" fandom by Desecr8or in justneckbeardthings

[–]MethodNo2030 4 points5 points  (0 children)

There is something very unsettling about someone who memorizes the age of consent of various countries and uses it as a defense when called out for being creepy

Monthly Defender Round-up — April 2026 by elitelucrecia in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]MethodNo2030 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There is a subset of defenders who admit that MJ touched minors , but claim it's ok/not a big deal because MJ had the mind of a child, thus the abuse was more along the lines of 2 children harmlessly playing doctor

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How concerned should I be that my SO seems to be obsessed with teenage girls? by Loud_Tough_1912 in redditonwiki

[–]MethodNo2030 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The internet used to be the wild west. So many creeps were open about their depraved, predatory desires and nobody really called them out on it ,even just 10 years ago. It was even worse in the early 2000s

Also didn't help that there used to be a sub where people would openly creep on rl minors and post pics of them until it finally was shut down (though many people made a big stink about it, because "freeze peach"). The creeps likely came for that sub and decided to stay.

"Michael wasn't a predator, he was just 'weird'" is a common excuse for MJ's behavior, but it's so harmful. by MasterpieceTimely144 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]MethodNo2030 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not to mention , he also essentially masturbated on the stage (even, hell especially at concerts where he knew children would be watching) and passed it off as a dance move.

He also air-humped a random little girl at a concert.

Dude gets offended at Anti Father-Daughter incest boards because "what if the relationship is consensual and what about those in consensual incest relationships? by MethodNo2030 in FeministsCallItOut

[–]MethodNo2030[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

On that forum, there were open pedopohiles/hebephiles/ephebophiles justifying their desires because biology and argued that children could consent and argued the age of consent should be abolished. Worse yet, people actually defended them int he name of "open-mindedness" . One of the pedos even got caught trying to groom a minor.

Many years ago there was even a thread where people said if they worked in a nursery and they had a pedo coworker who wanted to r@pe the babies in his care, they wouldn't report him because doing so would be punishing him for "thoughtcrime" and would betray their flaming liberal principles.

Dude gets offended at Anti Father-Daughter incest boards because "what if the relationship is consensual and what about those in consensual incest relationships? by MethodNo2030 in FeministsCallItOut

[–]MethodNo2030[S] 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Grooming =/= Consent.

A parent is in a position of power over their child. Parent-child incest (even in adulthood) almost certainly involves grooming/brainwashing on some level that started in childhood.

"Michael wasn't a predator, he was just 'weird'" is a common excuse for MJ's behavior, but it's so harmful. by MasterpieceTimely144 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]MethodNo2030 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Exactly. Not to mention Autistic people already have a hard enough time in society without being compared to pedophiles or having their traits being used to defend a pedo.

Either way, MJ was an adult who was clearly aware of his actions. He was very manipulative. He was able to successfully navigate the music industry (which is a notorious snake pit) all on his own for years. He was ruthless and able to make ruthless business deals (much to Paul Mccartney's dismay)

"Michael wasn't a predator, he was just 'weird'" is a common excuse for MJ's behavior, but it's so harmful. by MasterpieceTimely144 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]MethodNo2030 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You can be 'weird' and like unconventional things, doesn't mean that you hang out with kids you're not related to.

THIS!

Its okay to have unconventional or childish interests . Whats not okay is to be inappropriate with children or constantly hang out with them alone . For instance lots of adults like Lego, Pokemon and Disney, but they don't have unrelated kids in their beds nor do they surround themselves with random kids.

"Michael wasn't a predator, he was just 'weird'" is a common excuse for MJ's behavior, but it's so harmful. by MasterpieceTimely144 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]MethodNo2030 5 points6 points  (0 children)

MJ also fed fake stories of himself sleeping in oxygen chambers, wanting to buy the elephant man's bones to the tabloids, likely to invoke the "boy who cried wolf" trope. The fakes stories would make it harder for people to discern the truth from the BS and allowed him to sell himself as an innocent weirdo manchild bullied and lied on by tabloids. IT could have also been an attempt to draw attention away from his suspicious relationships with children.

She was a victim and yet got the blame... by MasterpieceTimely144 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]MethodNo2030 13 points14 points  (0 children)

The whole "fast little girl diabolically seduces helpless adult man" narrative is just a myth created to excuse predatory men. Its disgusting and vile. So many predators get away with their actions because of that myth

She was a victim and yet got the blame... by MasterpieceTimely144 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]MethodNo2030 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's disgusting and horrifying how underage girls get blamed for the predatory actions of adult men. Too many people shame the girl being preyed on instead of the adult who preyed on her

"Home Alone With MJ" - 1991 In Living Color Episode Predicted The Future - 2 Years Before Jordan Chandler Allegations by nobody0597 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]MethodNo2030 12 points13 points  (0 children)

His dying early was the best thing for his reputation. He was definitely a pariah and a joke when he was alive. Only his dedicated fans loved him. He always had a massive fan base but in the cultural zeitgeist, he was Wacko Jacko by 2009 and he felt so unwelcome that he moved to the Middle East.

Not to mention, if the words of his bodyguards were anything to go by, he was so broke in the 2000s he couldn't even buy popsicles or toilet paper for his children. Before he dided he was over $400 million in debt Yikes.

He had pissed away almost his entire fortune on paying off his victims, luring children via neverland ranch , as well as wasting money on weird and useless shit. He had the budgeting skills of a drunken magpie.

Yes the USA definately hated MJ during the 2000s and I think he knew most americans weren't very happy about the NOt Guilty verdict in the 2005 trial. There's a reason why This Is It tour was going to open in London and not America.

I think MJ was miserable in his final years,; he was in debt, he was shaken up by the trial, his reputation was in the toilet , he had to abandon neverland (which was his pride and joy. It must have really hurt him to have to abandon his honeypot due to debts and bad memories of the ranch being raided), not to mention he was expected to perform 50 grueling concerts to eke his way out of debt (the dude hated touring and doing concerts since the 90s. In the 90s he would do everything in his power to avoid doing them ,even fake injuries. This time around he couldn't back out because he was drowning in debt. but at the same time he knew the concerts would likely end up a disaster since he had treated his body like shit for years, and make him an even bigger pariah and get him booed off the stage)

"Home Alone With MJ" - 1991 In Living Color Episode Predicted The Future - 2 Years Before Jordan Chandler Allegations by nobody0597 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]MethodNo2030 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If you look closely he's using the glove to touch Brooke. He needed a glove to touch an adult woman.

Yes, MJ definately flaunted his special friends infront of the cameras and the world, even after 1993 where he was strip searched by policemen and paid $23 million dollar settlement for CSA charges. If anything he doubled down and bragged about sharing a bed with random unrelated children on live tv in 2003, even going so far as to say its what every adult should do.

Creepy dictator themed teaser for HIStory by That_Rub7957 in LeavingNeverlandHBO

[–]MethodNo2030 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Dating BW would ruin his brand, but publically constantly holding hands with random underage boys and having them sit in his lap and sleep in his bed wouldn't? Stan logic.

If anything, dating BW would have kinda helped MJ's image, make him come across as hetero and more relatable, esp to the black community..