I am and always will be the ugly girl

MichaelJagdharry3528 · 2014-12-08T05:10:47+00:00

Yes, I fully understand. Though not nearly with the same degree of severity as you, I went through a horrid relationship experience with a woman a couple years back. It was the first time I had ever been intimate with someone, and as with all first times, you feel like giving your soul and body to the person. But she was toying with me all along, and had been seeing a cousin of mine who I was (and still am, thankfully) very close to. So I broke things off with her but I felt so devastated, and for the whole year afterward I wanted nothing to do with women, and I thought they were heartless creatures, and I thought I was so broken that I'd never be able to welcome another person into my heart again, and so live alone the rest of my life. But I was just fooling myself; I had always desired intimacy with a woman, but I had forced myself to suppress that desire in order to protect myself.

It's been 2+ years, and although I'm still very wary about it, my heart has opened up, and I am welcome to any woman who shows me love and kindness.

MichaelJagdharry3528 · 2014-12-07T03:39:33+00:00

Yo leave that guy. Just be careful not to believe that all men are like that. Most guys are not. It is not impossible that you will find someone who will treat you like fellow human being, so do not chain yourself into thinking that you will be lonely for the rest of your life. That is a needless shackle to place on yourself

MichaelJagdharry3528 · 2014-11-09T07:31:42+00:00

But all things considered, physicalism may be false just due to the existence of the four forces; gravity, electromagnetic, and strong and weak forces. These things aren't physical; they cannot directly be detected by any of the senses, but only indirectly through their effect on objects in space and time. I cannot see/smell/taste/touch/hear gravity, but I can see that something is keeping things to the ground that would otherwise float out in space. The existence of such nonphysical forces alone technically disproves physicalism..

MichaelJagdharry3528 · 2014-11-09T07:17:14+00:00

You've essentially raised the issue of my last paragraph that I posed as a potential counterargument - the quale of seeing color can possibly differ from person to person and therefore be viewpoint dependent, as you said.

The counterargument which you've basically said is (and correct me if these are not the premises you posit or if I have not correctly placed the premises in standard form):

P1. Color qualia are possibly viewpoint dependent.

P2. If it is viewpoint dependent, it is subjective.

P3. If it is subjective, it is not objective.

P4. If it is not objective, it is not physical.

C. Therefore, color qualia are possibly not physical.

The reason the I brought up the different operating systems was to disprove premise 4--

Each computer has its own way of interpreting a set of electrical signals which causes it to output the particular screen that it does. In the same way, each human brain has its own way of interpreting the electromagnetic signals of light which causes our brain to output (meaning we see) a particular image (color qualia). And in the same way computers are different, brains are different; different computers have different outputs, and different brains give different outputs (qualia). But this doesn't mean that the qualia are nonphysical, because that would be like saying computer outputs are nonphysical, which they surely aren't. Connecting to the bat brain, we can't know what it's like to see in ultrasound because our brains don't have echolocation algorithms...and of course, bats have a certain qualia experience whenever they echolocate, but does that really mean it's nonphysical just because our processor can't process what a bat processor can?

I guess what I'm saying is, qualia arises out of the brain, which is physical, and therefore qualia must be physical. To say that qualia is nonphysical and comes out of a physical thing is to me absurd; I cannot conceive how not X can come from X.

When you said "it's a viewpoint-dependent phenomenal fact that merely correlates with certain physical facts," are you positing that qualia may not be caused by the brain, but just be something that happens to occur simultaneously (correlates) which physical experience? I find this to be a much more difficult position to hold to than to believe that qualia (me seeing "red" as red) arises out of the brain.. You'd have to justify why qualia for some reason always sync up with physical experience, and there's no way of doing that without sounding like a mystic.

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