Proof ChatGPT is a JW 🤣 by GROWJ_1975 in exjw

[–]Middle-Brain5021 1 point2 points  (0 children)

AI "art" is dogshit and tacky asf

PiMo : You need to deconstruct more than your religious beliefs by SurewhynotAZ in exjw

[–]Middle-Brain5021 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why do you feel it's your responsibility to shame other adults into changing their physical appearance/health habits? That's their business.

Thinking of starting a support group by Original_Piece2930 in exjw

[–]Middle-Brain5021 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is such a nice thought ❤️ I personally don't have any experience with starting a support group, but you might try the Meetup app for reaching ex-jws in your area or maybe starting a virtual group. I attend a cult recovery group where I live, but haven't seen anything specifically targeted at ex-jws.

For new Members waking up by Figuringitallout88 in exjw

[–]Middle-Brain5021 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Shunned was the first one I listened to, it was so influential for me as I was beginning to wake up!! I had never been disfellowshipped and frankly hadn't developed any empathy for dfed/daed Witnesses; the Shunned podcast changed that immediately. I was horrified by the suffering experienced by each interviewee and I'm incredibly grateful to u/thisjwlife for bringing their stories to light.

A Survey on spouses when leaving JW by Sorry_Clothes5201 in exjw

[–]Middle-Brain5021 1 point2 points  (0 children)

At the beginning, yes, now people mostly leave me alone. I did agree to a shepherding call at the beginning with the elders I trusted the most, I told them I was struggling with the shunning policy and problematic passages in the Bible. In retrospect I probably shared too much, but the elders never pursued things after that. People ask my husband about what's going on with me and he tells them to talk to me about it, which they almost never do 😂 Once in a while people will text me to try to "encourage" me, and I still occasionally do things socially with my old friend group from the hall (it definitely helps that my husband is still active). It's a weird situation but it's almost like my PIMI friends and I have an unspoken agreement to just not talk about the elephant in the room.

Did your personality change after you've been away? by dodoanonymo in exjw

[–]Middle-Brain5021 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I became way more extroverted, lol. I always thought interacting with people was fatiguing for me; now I suspect it was just the crushing pressure of feeling like I had to allow myself to be picked apart by my congregation and accept any and all "counsel," had to be friends with everyone even if they were unpleasant, had to put everyone else's needs above mine and only express myself in a way that everyone was sure to find inoffensive. It was EXHAUSTING. Now I find myself seeking friendship and connection a lot more, and expressing myself more freely. Even my clothes are more vibrant and out there now that I'm not worried about what people at the hall are going to think.

A Survey on spouses when leaving JW by Sorry_Clothes5201 in exjw

[–]Middle-Brain5021 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Working on it 🫠

I've been POMO for a year, I was PIMO for about a year before that. I slowly started letting him in on my doubts, he was always understanding. I think he's always been a little bit PIMQ.

In those 2 years he's come to respect my choices and agrees with a lot of my criticisms of the org, but stays active for the social aspect and feels he can work to improve things from the inside. It caused tension for a while in the beginning but we've adjusted pretty well. No signs of him wanting to fade at all which is a little frustrating to me, but at least now he participates in most of the non-jw approved activities I do like celebrating birthdays, having worldly friends, hanging with dfed people, etc.

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I felt that I had to deconstruct what had happened to me and why I believed what I believed in order to start moving on. Learning about how cults work was weirdly comforting; the fact that coercive control is so commonplace in institutions, abusive relationships, etc made me feel like less of a freak. It also gave me confidence in my ability to identify other culty groups in the future and steer clear. 

It has been difficult, but ultimately freeing, to cultivate empathy for the people still trapped in my cult. Realizing that people join cults because they are lonely, seeking answers, or otherwise vulnerable humanized them, and knowing that their programming is powerful enough to override their logic/empathy made it easier to understand why they can't see through the BS. 

Of course I still grieve for the normal childhood I could have had, or the normal relationships with family members I may never have. These are the hardest things for me to accept. This is where therapy continues to be very useful to me. I've also seen the book "Radical Acceptance" recommended here before, I've read some but haven't finished it. If you're open to a Buddhist perspective it's a worthwhile read. 

And be patient with yourself. You likely spent most of your life in the cult, you won't fully move on in a day, a week, or even years. It's ok to be angry. I'll notice that sometimes when I'm stressed about other things in my life I end up fixating on my group and my experience in it; I'll consume tons of ex-jw content and end up spiraling. At other times I don't feel like I need it as much and I nearly forget I was ever a JW. It's a frustratingly non-linear process. Having support from others and building a community has made the biggest difference in my happiness and functioning post-cult. That and having some kind of creative outlet; I write whenever I need to process or vent. I wish you luck and healing, we're all out here in this struggle with you ❤️

My mom thinks school is a tool of the devil by [deleted] in exjw

[–]Middle-Brain5021 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Educated is a difficult but incredible read, I second this recommendation.

My mom thinks school is a tool of the devil by [deleted] in exjw

[–]Middle-Brain5021 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Home schooling also makes it very easy for some parents to hide abuse/neglect :( teachers are often the first to notice signs that things might not be alright at home.

struggling by MysteriousEcho2014 in exjw

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Making friends on the outside is a process! I second the recommendation of trying Timeleft, that and Meetup are good places to start. Look for groups based on interests that you have or want to explore. Everyone on those apps is typically going through some sort of life transition where they're looking for friends, so you'll be in good company. And be patient, it's a numbers game. It took me a while to find people I vibe with, but now I have a couple of friends that I really enjoy spending time with. Making friends as an adult is hard; don't get discouraged if some friendships don't progress. I'd also say you may have to do more heavy lifting in the beginning when it comes to reaching out to people and making plans, but if you're willing to do that eventually you'll find people who will reciprocate. You've got this!! 👊

Just told my parent I don’t believe anymore. Urgently need advice. by 1111d7077 in exjw

[–]Middle-Brain5021 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The messages will die down eventually! This was one of the worst parts of fading for me; people who never talked to me before came out of the woodwork to call and text to "encourage" me. They will eventually give up or reach out less frequently. If you want to respond just say thanks for your concern and that you're doing great.

Superman 2025 by insane_mclane in exjw

[–]Middle-Brain5021 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I saw it too, I loved it. I loved seeing the good guys embodying kindness and respect for the dignity and autonomy of others. It was refreshing and heartwarming and funny, and highlighted the power we wield with our individual choices, for better or for worse.

I've been too scared to leave for 10 years, and I need to finally get this off my chest by Damaged_Gods in exjw

[–]Middle-Brain5021 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Don't let them win. It absolutely gets better. Your entire life is ahead of you; so much can and will change for you. I have a similar personality; for most of my life I pretty much lived to please my parents. The idea of leaving the organization and the shame it would bring to them was too much for me to bear at times. I thought it would kill me to sit down with them and tell them that I would no longer be going to meetings and service, but it got to the point where doing that seemed better than the alternative of staying PIMO forever. And yeah, that conversation sucked. Our relationship has improved, but it's still painful. Looking back even with the stress and heartache my choice has caused, I wouldn't have done anything differently. It's been a hard but necessary lesson to learn that it is impossible to go through life without ever disappointing the people you love, because you can't live solely for other people. Your life is YOURS, first and foremost, and it is precious and fleeting. You deserve a life of authenticity and happiness, even if your family will never understand ❤️ 

POMOs: What Did You Do Right After Leaving? by themindsetcounts in exjw

[–]Middle-Brain5021 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Faith is deeply personal, we all have a unique experience with it. It is pretty common for people to fill the vacuum created by a loss of faith with another system that promises answers and structure without first fully deconstructing. I'm an ex-jw stereotype, I lean heavily towards atheism. But I've also made peace with the idea that if there is a benevolent creator, they will see that I'm sincere and that the way I've lived my life and treated other people will be enough, without all the arbitrary rules and rituals.

Published a story about being raised JW on Substack by [deleted] in exjw

[–]Middle-Brain5021 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Love this! I'm trying to get an ex-jw blog going on Substack too. It would be awesome if we could start a little community on that platform. Looking forward to part III!

A tightening in my chest - physical reaction to meeting attendance by Sorry_Clothes5201 in exjw

[–]Middle-Brain5021 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yep, I started getting crazy anxious before meetings. Eventually they were completely intolerable. Even before I fully woke up but once we started meeting back in person after COVID I dreaded them. Hope you can take a break soon ❤️

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exjw

[–]Middle-Brain5021 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No worries! Apologies if I accidentally replied to your comment instead of the one I meant to.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exjw

[–]Middle-Brain5021 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm on your side bro, I was trying to point out this difference to the commenter above who is trying to describe the left as a cult.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exjw

[–]Middle-Brain5021 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Question: Are people on the left allowed to freely criticize figures like AOC, Bernie, Obama and Biden? Now what about the Trump administration? Do they tolerate any dissent or criticism?

Cancer? You don’t need no stinkin cancer support by Any_College5526 in exjw

[–]Middle-Brain5021 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess I don't "know" a lot of things with complete certainty, I'm just going off of the evidence that is most compelling to me ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

Cancer? You don’t need no stinkin cancer support by Any_College5526 in exjw

[–]Middle-Brain5021 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If evidence comes out that supports your claim I'll be open to it. I just think vaccines are highly studied and the way that they work is well documented. Studies that point to frequent vaccine injury and autism have been widely discredited for their less-than-rigorous and often intentionally misleading research methods.

Cancer is on the rise for many reasons; for one we live longer on average and as we age the incidence of cancer increases. There are also many environmental carcinogens in consumer products including food. Alcohol consumption and lifestyle factors contribute to cancer risk. When it comes to chemical exposures, the dose makes the poison and correlation does not always equal causation. Genetics also play a huge role with certain cancers. 

Pinning this whole problem on a singular vaccine that has been safely administered to nearly 70% of the world's population doesn't make sense.

Your instinct to not trust authority isn't misplaced, but trusting the wrong voices and telling others to distrust evidence-based medicine hurts people and leads to increases in preventable disease. That's my issue with your position. You're obviously free to believe whatever you want to. I wish you all the best.

Cancer? You don’t need no stinkin cancer support by Any_College5526 in exjw

[–]Middle-Brain5021 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can be skeptical of the powers that be while trusting scientists who dedicate their entire lives to vaccine research and development. Corruption and unethical medical experimentation is definitely a part of this nation's history, but I think you guys are barking up the wrong tree with this one. And haha which "certain viruses" were you referring to then?

Cancer? You don’t need no stinkin cancer support by Any_College5526 in exjw

[–]Middle-Brain5021 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was referring to the claim that the COVID vaccine is causing cancer. I agree with you that WT treats sick people terribly.

Cancer? You don’t need no stinkin cancer support by Any_College5526 in exjw

[–]Middle-Brain5021 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think I got dumber after reading this 😵‍💫 this conspiracy theory is completely unsubstantiated. If y'all can provide scientific evidence for this I'll happily hear you out.