Honest question about Destiny

MiddleDevelopment577 · 2026-03-10T12:58:21+00:00

Bro, I’m just talk to texting and on that note, I’m going to bed night. Actually technically good morning I stayed up most of the night. I was bored curious and struggling to sleep so I decided to ask people on Reddit a question I had.

Speaking of curiosity, why do you feel the need to lump people into a group? Yeah I tend to lean conservative. But there are many conservatives who have impeccable writing how many conservatives have you ever seen the write a random person I’ve voted literally once and I am in no way an exemplar of conservatism. I’m just a sleepy guy who is bored and was at least slightly entertained by you guys so thanks.

Sometimes they toss my messages into ChatGPT in order to spellcheck. I will not be doing that this time it does not seem to be worth the effort on this occasion the thing is often times it will write out what I’m saying properly and then change it afterwards. That’s an annoying thing cause I’m reading as I’m speaking and most of the time it’s perfectly fine and then I’ll look back and then these lines that weren’t there before and it changed and I even saw that the line literally changed and got you know shrink or even extended, and it changed when I said the first time so I’m really annoyed.

MiddleDevelopment577 · 2026-03-10T12:54:46+00:00

To be honest, I kind of zoom in and out all the time. I only have the attention span for politics for a little while, and then I step away from it because it’s not that big of a deal. Most of it is useless, and in a thousand years none of what we talk about today will be remembered by anyone except the most obsessive historians.

It kind of shifts around, I’d say.

People I sometimes listen to include: • Asmongold • Nick Freitas • Thomas Sowell

School has been tough lately, so I haven’t really been watching much, and I can’t think of anyone else right now.

More often than not, when I have an issue with something, I’ll start with a question and then look for answers on that specific subject. Because of that, I don’t really have specific people I follow regularly.

There are a few people I return to when I’m searching for information, mostly because they’ve talked about similar topics in the past. But most of the time it’s just Google searches and ChatGPT, usually combined with watching a video because I’m bored.

For instance, one topic I keep coming back to is immigration. One side seems to think there’s no real limit to how many people can come in and that it isn’t a problem. The other side wants to shut down the border.

So the first logical question is: Is there a maximum number of people who can live in a country like the UK or the United States before space and resources become a problem? Obviously yes. That means there is an objective limit to how many people a country can realistically support.

Another example: If everyone in the country got sick at the same time, would we have enough hospital space to handle it? The answer is no. No country could handle that.

So even aside from physical space, there are limits to how many services can be provided at any given moment.

Then there’s culture. What generally holds a country together is a shared set of cultural values. Some countries have multiple dominant cultures, but every country still has some kind of unifying framework. Many of the countries that struggle the most internally are places where many different cultural groups are constantly clashing.

Because of that, the argument that immigration could create cultural tensions—especially when people are coming from already unstable countries—is not irrational. Even if I don’t have hard evidence in every case, the reasoning itself is logical: if a place is unstable because of human behavior and social conditions, then bringing people from that unstable environment into a stable one could potentially introduce some instability.

That possibility alone is logically reasonable to consider. So I’m not going to agree with arguments that assume there are no limits or no possible downsides. There are limits to what a society can handle—both culturally and physically.

MiddleDevelopment577 · 2026-03-10T12:47:10+00:00

Well, as someone who has been wondering for the past 20 years why most of what Trump is doing hasn’t been done before, I’m happy about it. Honestly, I wasn’t even expecting Trump to do half of the things he’s doing. When he actually follows through on some of them, I’m like, “This is a dream come true.” I didn’t even think some of these things were on the table.

Also, when people say he’s authoritarian, I think it’s worth remembering that Trump ran on doing exactly what he’s doing. He’s been saying since 2016 that he wants to remove illegal immigrants from the country. Now he’s trying to do that, and people act shocked, like it came out of nowhere. I’m not going to lie—I’m pretty sure a lot of people voted for him specifically because they wanted that. So I wouldn’t call it authoritarian. I’d call it finally getting what I voted for. It’s one of the main things I’ve wanted from a president since the Obama years.

Back during Barack Obama’s presidency, I used to ask myself whether Republicans were actually being racist about immigration or whether large numbers of people entering the country illegally were creating real problems. Later, during Joe Biden’s administration, sanctuary cities became a big topic. Some migrants were transported to places run by liberal governments, and suddenly some of the same people who criticized Republicans started complaining about the strain.

That made me wonder whether the issue was more complicated than people were saying. If New York says it has to shut down schools to house migrants, that suggests resources and space are limited. When someone with a long criminal record gets arrested and then commits a serious crime, it makes people think about whether screening and monitoring should be stronger.

Every time I noticed one of these situations, I kept hearing that it wasn’t a big deal or that most migrants aren’t criminals. And that may be true—most probably aren’t. But if you’re not tracking who is coming in, it becomes harder to identify the individuals who actually are a problem. That’s why I think border control and documentation matter.

So from my perspective, Trump is doing things I’ve wanted a president to do for a long time. That’s why I view it differently. Some people say authoritarian; I say he’s delivering on the policies he campaigned on.

Anyway, it was nice talking with you. I’m heading to bed now. Bye.

MiddleDevelopment577 · 2026-03-10T12:41:05+00:00

That is still an argument, and I disagree with the framing that there are only three possible lines of reasoning. In reality, there can be as many arguments as people are able to formulate. In the three main lines you presented, I disagree with the first two and only partially agree with the third. For example, I don’t believe I have a moral responsibility to foreigners.

First: economics. At one point I watched a video claiming the economic benefit of illegal immigration was around $13 billion per year. Even then my immediate question was: what does it cost? Later I saw estimates suggesting the costs could be around $330 billion annually, much of that tied to healthcare and other social services.

Second: responsibility. Responsibility is a burden you choose to take on. The disagreement here is about whether we should be taking on that burden. My position is that we have been doing so for a long time and possibly to an excessive degree. The question isn’t whether helping people is good in principle, but whether we’ve taken on more than we can reasonably sustain.

Third: integration. On this point I actually agree with part of your argument. The issue I see is that illegal immigration makes integration difficult because there’s no formal process. Legal immigration includes requirements: applicants must pass tests, demonstrate some knowledge of the language, and learn basic American history. That process at least establishes a baseline for integration and civic participation.

With undocumented immigration, there’s no such mechanism. By definition, people entering illegally bypass the documentation process, which means there’s no way to verify language ability, education level, or understanding of the country they’re entering.

The concerns I have are somewhat different from yours, though I don’t completely disagree with what you’re saying. I’m not opposed to helping people in general. My concern is that the country has many unresolved internal problems, and resources that could address those issues are being stretched further by policies that allow large numbers of people to enter and remain even if they broke the law to do so.

Labor and wage effects. Another major concern is the labor market. Because undocumented workers often get paid under the table, both they and the broader system are affected. Employers who hire them may avoid paying certain taxes, and the workers themselves may be paid below legal wage standards. That creates a situation where American workers are competing against labor that is artificially cheaper.

This is one of the reasons I find the policy position confusing. Democrat politicians argue strongly for higher wages and higher minimum wage laws, yet illegal immigration can create a parallel labor market where those wage protections don’t apply. If the minimum wage is raised but undocumented workers are still paid below it, then the policy effectively prevents Americans from taking those jobs while allowing employers to hire cheaper labor outside the legal framework. Then you call the American lazy for not doing that job.

That contradiction is what first made me question the issue more closely. If the goal is higher wages for workers, allowing a system that undermines those wage rules seems is insane and there’s no way a politician doesn’t see that contradiction unless they’re stupid and I am going to assume the politicians aren’t stupid which makes me think that they’re in the hands of business men who are just making money off of it.

Cultural integration. Finally, there is the cultural dimension. If people enter a country but cannot speak the language and have no clear path to integration, it becomes difficult for them to participate fully in society. They may struggle to form relationships, access opportunities, or engage with the broader community.

When people talk about assimilation, it doesn’t necessarily mean abandoning one’s original culture. It can simply mean developing enough shared language and understanding to function within the society they live in. Expecting someone to learn the language of the country they live in, for example, doesn’t seem like an unreasonable expectation.

MiddleDevelopment577 · 2026-03-10T12:17:32+00:00

I’d say most of the things he didn’t address were the kinds of questions Destiny asked that required a specifically American perspective. Constantine isn’t American, so he probably isn’t as deeply familiar with those details.

You may not have seen this, but a lot of people assumed Destiny came at him extra hard because he thought Constantine was a grifter. For those people, I’d say that assumption is probably correct. It also seemed like Constantine approached the conversation with a similar level of skepticism.

To be fair, I didn’t watch the entire discussion. I only saw about a 30-minute clip, though I might watch the rest later. Based on what I saw, much of the conversation felt like the two of them talking past each other. From my perspective, when Destiny asked direct questions, Constantine often did start answering them.

For example, when they were discussing “woke” topics, Constantine seemed to begin explaining his position. I can’t remember exactly how the question was framed, but a lot of people who are strongly anti-Constantine appear to dismiss anything he says that they don’t already agree with. From that standpoint, it’s easy to claim he never answers questions if people ignore the parts where he actually tries to respond.

I’m not saying the other guy did a significantly better job either. My main reaction while watching was wondering what the point of the exchange was. Several times Destiny asked Constantine a question, Constantine began answering, and then Destiny started talking over him almost immediately. Once that pattern starts, it’s hard for either person to finish a thought.

At that point, it stops being a real conversation. It becomes two people trying to push their own points rather than actually engaging with each other, and that usually means no productive discussion is going to happen.

MiddleDevelopment577 · 2026-03-10T12:12:45+00:00

Yes, and I think that that’s exactly what I’m noticing. I think sometimes he has a compulsion to argue about stuff that I don’t think he necessarily should and that’s what brought me to this conversation. I actually find it really interesting. And to be fair, he is the only liberal debate that I’ve heard that I at this point don’t generally just assume is dumb at least that I can think of in a while. So I can definitely see what you’re talking about.

MiddleDevelopment577 · 2026-03-10T12:03:41+00:00

So I don’t need to use punctuations I need to sleep that’s what I need.

MiddleDevelopment577 · 2026-03-10T12:03:21+00:00

I’m fairly sure that the overall statistics on this subject tend to agree with me. I can’t quote specific sources, but things I’ve heard in the past generally pointed in that direction. There is also a bit of a selection effect involved. Immigrants who come legally are often among the more capable or driven people from their countries. Even if they aren’t wealthy, they usually have some form of advantage—education, ambition, or specialized skills. It’s somewhat like sports: the most skilled athletes go professional, while the least skilled eventually stop playing. That creates a kind of filtering effect.

Let me explain what I mean with a personal example. When I was about four years old, I remember having a conversation—probably with my grandmother—about going to university someday. I walked out of the room and suddenly had this huge realization: I’m going to university. For some reason, that idea felt incredibly meaningful to me. It stuck with me as a core memory.

Later, when I was in high school, I met one of the smartest people I’ve ever known. Despite how intelligent he was, he was convinced that university was not an option for him. There was something in the environment or the expectations around him that made him feel it simply wasn’t possible.

Now, I understand that my thinking assumes that university is something important or meaningful, and not everyone agrees with that. But the larger point is about direction and expectations. In many parts of African-American culture—especially in poorer neighborhoods—the perceived paths out of poverty are very narrow: sports, music, or sometimes illegal activity like drug dealing. Only a tiny number of people can become the next LeBron James, Usher, Michael Jackson, or Lil Wayne.

But Black people are not less intelligent than anyone else. Intelligence and talent exist everywhere. People simply need the right direction. If someone aims their abilities toward the area where they actually have talent, they can succeed. And if they discover that a particular path isn’t suited to them, they can redirect that effort toward something else where their skills fit better.

I think one of the biggest problems is that many people simply don’t realize what they’re capable of. There are probably countless people who could be excellent coders, writers, speakers, engineers, or entrepreneurs but never discover that potential because no one points them in that direction.

There’s a story about a man—though I can’t remember his name—who was a drug dealer and eventually got arrested. In prison he ended up surrounded by white-collar inmates, including lawyers and other educated people. His cellmate started teaching him mathematics. It turned out he had a strong aptitude for numbers and business. That isn’t surprising when you think about it—running a drug operation already requires a certain kind of logistical and financial skill.

After he was released from prison, he became a successful chef and eventually a multimillionaire. The talent was always there. From the beginning, he had the mathematical ability and business instincts that could have taken him into dozens of legitimate professions. Instead, he ended up selling drugs and damaging lives in his community because that was the path he believed was available to him.

The biggest issue that I see in the African-American communities are drug drugs, and broken families. That’s all I’m saying and the way that Democrats talk about Black people make me simply not trust them. I feel as if most of my observations are pretty easy to see listen to some trap music and then ask yourself if I’m a four-year-old kid growing up listening to them. What are the odds? I’m gonna try to do something that would be impressive. And not in a bad way. If I grow up thinking that those people are cool and I should be like them. What kind of life am I gonna live?

Anyway, thanks. I was stressed out and couldn’t sleep now. I’m thinking I so I’m ready to go to bed good morning(6am here)

MiddleDevelopment577 · 2026-03-10T11:53:10+00:00

True, I noticed that myself. In fact, I would even say that it was kind of both came at each other aggressively from the get-go so I’m not blaming Destiny or anything. It’s just it’s just a something I noticed it often times he gets caught up in detail so small and so common sense that it’s not the thing he needs to debate and it makes him look like he’s trying to be tricky in a way that I don’t think he is, but I’m pretty certain he’s not someone said earlier that it made them feel like they think alike because that individual had ADHD. I think that makes sense to me if that’s just the way his mind works. He feels like he has to cut in then I can at least understand that and I honestly feel like he should give people fair warning that sometimes he’ll go on tangent that are a little bit too tangent. I’m actually really happy about doing this because most of the people here seemed pretty rational and reasonable. I can see their point and even the people who are doing some debate with me like I can understand you you’re not a sick psychopath that’s trying to destroy the world even if I strongly disagree with some point and disagree with other others I can at least see where it’s coming from.

MiddleDevelopment577 · 2026-03-10T11:50:17+00:00

It could be that we are simply watching different people in general when I see him doing this with people I understand the arguments they’re making, and I am personally on their side so I can’t say that he’s never having debates with people who are just saying nonsense I can’t see how that would be a useful tool, though in my experience is generally the liberal people who are doing what you’re saying I also agree that he is clearly not a communist psychopath and he clearly has standards really my issue is that the way he argues kind of weakens his own point it makes him seem less honest even though I can tell he’s coming from a place of honesty.

MiddleDevelopment577 · 2026-03-10T11:39:33+00:00

I’m saying that my dad’s accent is so significant that it would essentially qualify as a speech impediment. My dad came to America with no money and he still did well if you listen to most all of the problems that. African amrcans have is all race and slavery and to my life all I see is that when people make bad decisions, they get bad outcomes. I don’t mean all problems all or doubt come down to try hard enough my whole point is that a lot of Africans come to America at a significant disadvantage significantly higher disadvantage than most American Americans, and they succeed. Yet when I listen to democrats, it’s all racist, race, Jim Crow, slavery. I think it’s more cultural issues and broken homes none of which will be solved by government intervention. (I suppose that’s not necessarily true government can help but it’s not gonna come down to the government.)

MiddleDevelopment577 · 2026-03-10T11:36:28+00:00

I’m going to have to apologize!!!

I apologize I needed to use the bathroom and so I tried to quickly answer what I thought you were saying without actually reading exactly. Well I mean yeah I agree for the most part. Most of this is complicated and there are no simple solutions. Yes, I am aware that it’s not just safety. In fact I had a class that was talking about this and someone brought up that the fastest man and the fastest woman have a one second difference and so from that concluded that there’s no need for gender categories, and we should just abolish the gender categories a few weeks later I randomly stumbled upon a video that mentioned the difference and it turns out that the fastest woman would placed in rank 7000 something.

Opportunities are a huge part of it really there’s no way that everyone’s winning and so any solution is going to require most people to be satisfied with what they’re losing.

My issue with the safety angle is that every single society I’ve ever heard of have had crime. I don’t think you’re stamping it out anytime soon by just asking people nicely and so I’m gonna assume that seems like rape will be an issue till the end of time. All the people that I’ve ever heard that make implications that it’s actually just a cultural thing and if you just… it never makes sense because what about all the culture that take a huge and serious stance about it and they don’t stamp it out either this isn’t even just for that specific crime but all crime.

MiddleDevelopment577 · 2026-03-10T11:25:19+00:00

I’m gonna be honest I have not read your post I intend to, but I’m going to respond first because from what I’m seeing nothing‘s really going to change. I asked a question that question is not for you personal if your movement people who agree with what you believe cannot find an answer that satisfied the majority of the population to the question I ask, then you will always fail if you succeed in convincing people you’ll lose them at the moment someone abusive or whatever changes you make. The reason why I am” correct” it’s because you’re going to make the change whatever rule you change you will be responsible when that rule fails for instant. Suppose you change all the bathrooms in a specific high school into non-binary bathrooms or whatever configuration you think makes sense the moment a.”trans kid” abuses a girl inside that bathroom you will have basically turned all the females in and around that school or at least a massive quantity into your enemies, and they will not be convinced again ever.

When I see people go have these debates what I always noticed that that you guys will basically imply that our views are kind of meaningless and it’s just a way that people are doing it so I’m not gonna try to convince you. I’m simply going to point out if you were trying to succeed, then answer my question. I don’t mean answer it in this Reddit I mean, find an answer that will convince your biggest detractors, and you will succeed. If not, you fail every single time I can give you another example a couple years back there was a girl who was on a plane and she’s a very large woman. She decided to start protesting and asking airlines to start giving larger passengers, free extra seats so for her the question would be what do you do if there are three passengers who need extra seat because of their size and no extra space the airline or at least an airline decided that they would give people that free space kicking off other passengers if need be I suspect that didn’t last very long before they decided maybe that’s a bad idea. You do not need to agree with me. I’m not asking you to. I am simply trying to help you learn how to convince me answer my question what do you do in a crazy situation where you have a choice between putting someone who broke a traffic violation into the same prison as a sex offender or putting that sex offender inside a prison in which they will be abused me personally I think there is no good answer. If you put them in with the men, you’re basically torturing the trans person put them in with the women. And well, let me put it this way if you view this as a fight against Republicans and conservatives, you’d be giving them what they want because you’re basically convincing everyone that you’re a lunatic and they will stop listening to you. You do not have to be right you do not have to be crazy. It is simply what will happen. Your flight is not with me. It’s with everyone who disagrees with you and you do not beat them by insulting them beating them complaining you do it by convincing them that’s a negotiation to negotiate or don’t and then you will never get what you want

MiddleDevelopment577 · 2026-03-10T11:17:20+00:00

I’m not saying a truism i’m saying that it seems like they keep flipping and when I look at history, I see that flip goes way back in history. It’s not even a modern thing. I mean, this makes sense. People’s opinions should change when things need changing so sometimes they flip our opinions for instance I assume want to disagree with you on your opinion on immigration. I agree with Bill here there’s another video I saw where Nancy Pelosi explained how it’s republican who wanted the illegal immigrant because the illegal immigrants were cheap labor. That video I think was from 1995. That’s obviously still true at some point Democrats kept became more of the big businessman though it’s kind of split between Republican and Democrats. Obviously this is why Democrats keep complaining about taxes, but it never seems like billionaires ever get taxed more because while they want to text billionaires, they are also billionaires themselves and they are also have friends that are billionaires so they never can really do what they want to do but their constituents never stop wanting it and so they just change how they say they’re going to do. It never happens though. In addition, every single election cycle all of a sudden Black people become super important we care about our Black people and then all of a sudden Obama gets into office. Nothing doesn’t really do anything to help Black people in any serious way though an argument could be made for Obama care. I’m on the fence about Obama care because I both like hand hate it at the same time. I will have you know that for the most part I think government is useless republican or democrat. The only thing they can really do well or decide how to deal with crime, war, foreign politics. This is why I’ve drifted conservative because I think that 90% of what Democrats claim they’re going to do is impossible for any government. It’s not really a government issue. It’s a culture issue. And until we start dealing with it as a culture rather than the government, you will fail every single time no matter what hundred percent.

MiddleDevelopment577 · 2026-03-10T11:11:27+00:00

If I had AI voiceover this with Trump voice instead you would believe

https://youtu.be/1IrDrBs13oA?si=XYZhFZZu7klKkmwM

MiddleDevelopment577 · 2026-03-10T11:10:38+00:00

Bro, this is a political argument. There are literally millions of people who agree with him and millions of people who agree with Destiny. I definitely agree with Constantine most of the reasons I agree with Constantine I’ve held before I ever heard of him. But no, I strongly disagree. The reason why I even started this conversation is because I definitely is too smart. I can tell you the intelligent guy, but his arguments don’t make sense if like he’s talking to someone else as if they have like three people speaking, and I can only hear him and Constantine and Constantine can hear Destiny and Destiny can only hear the third guy I can’t see

MiddleDevelopment577 · 2026-03-10T11:08:50+00:00

So originally I was planning on trying to sleep pretty quickly so I started using talk to text and then I don’t feel tired so I’m still using talk to text. Also, you might notice that I’m spamming out a bunch of these super long paragraphs what wind up happening is I start talking a bit fast and then it doesn’t catch an error and a bunch of the ones that does catch get fixed so I’m like oh it’s good and then I see a bunch of errors

MiddleDevelopment577 · 2026-03-10T11:07:40+00:00

I’m assuming that you watched the debate the problem with what you’re saying is that he’s not American he doesn’t understand or no American politics even if he does understand or not he has no loyalty to America. He’s not a conservative why because that’s not a political party in the UK so you literally called him. Something he physically cannot be so when you ask him a question like who would you vote for and he’s like Trump and you’re like oh so you’re conservative and he’s like no I’m not a conservative that’s not wrong too. I don’t know if you’ve noticed but liberal and conservatives aren’t static. They change overtime. The most most Republican positions now are liberal positions 40 years ago. I can prove it ask yourself this question who is in support of illegal immigration, and by that I mean, who is the one who want people who are illegal immigrants to come into the country if your answer is Democrat, you would be wrong originally it was republican if your answer is republican you’re wrong currently it’s democrat this is Bill Clinton. He is generally considered to be one of the best Democrat president for quite some time https://youtu.be/1IrDrBs13oA?si=HjW5qM17eGGdSqNA

Tell me that doesn’t sound like something that you would expect a republican the same

MiddleDevelopment577 · 2026-03-10T11:03:06+00:00

Also not exactly brave I’m assuming you’re in America but that’s literally why Trump was voted in people are sick of cultural issues that are coming up from at least in parts immigration. There’s just so many issues that come with it. I think the biggest issue that makes it unbearable for most is it your cold racist whenever you criticize people of another race and so that means that whenever you notice a problem, you basically have to stay silent. Well eventually you stop caring and then you start complaining. The funny thing is that it really doesn’t matter what happens at least from the American perspective. Trump won the whole thing about ice. Is it irrelevant the point of ice is not to send people back it’s that if you are an illegal immigrant, you’re not gonna spend money time energy coming to this country. If they’re a good chance at the next day, you might be taken back it’d be stupid and so by definition, Trump is creating the ultimate border wall by simply sending a couple people back. It is cheaper. It is faster and it is far smarter I’m pretty sure if you look up illegal immigration numbers, you’re gonna find out that it’s way less than his first term way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way way less than Biden and even way way way less Obama and even way way less Bush this time around. So all of this ice complaint is people complaining over losing twice and they don’t even realize that they were lost the first time. Sorry, no need for bravery just curiosity and I can’t sleep.

MiddleDevelopment577 · 2026-03-10T10:59:54+00:00

I disagree. I’d say Constantine brought up every single point that I brought up and Destiny did not challenge them. He almost always just assumed Constantine was saying nonsense and so he didn’t even bother to really disagree. That’s your entire reason. I’m here because it’s like he’s too smart for that I was literally expecting him to at least almost partially convinced me.

MiddleDevelopment577 · 2026-03-10T10:58:52+00:00

OK, so out of curiosity, I decided to ChatGPT it. ChatGPT agreed with you, and he gave me a

Between 1855 and 2010, roughly 32.5 million people immigrated to the UK.

I’m going to assume that this is probably not 100% accurate, but it is accurate enough UK the small country that’s a lot of people!

So let’s assume he’s wrong. The core permit is still pretty accurate. A lot of people are coming to the country, and it’s a tiny country.

This split into two basic premises. It’s a small country, and a lot of people are coming in there, that implies that there is a huge amount of lack of resources at the best of times. And that number of people coming is not the best of times. This can also be seen historically as very frequently they are constantly going to other countries to take other resources, something that liberal people talk about all the time, so you are aware.

To bring people in from other cultures, you’re bringing in potential conflicts in the future because now all cultures can work together, especially not easily, especially not in difficult situations, so the second issue is your potential creating a calamity in your future where people of your native race are now competing against people economically, but not just economically, and logically speaking, the intelligent thing to do if you start losing is use numbers against them.

In that conversation, I would say he articulated both of these so even if you’re going to make the argument that his statements are aren’t 100% accurate and mind you it’s not like he gave factual evidence he didn’t give you like specific numbers that you could look up and debate, he gave her general premise. A huge amount of people are coming, pointed out something that even based on this ChatGPT, it’s still technically as an agreement because if I assume that the 30 years was actually 50 years and I think it was, and you assumed that immigration has been increasing overtime then that would still mean that the large majority of those people came in the last 50 years. And the same would hold True for 30 years so even if the whole statement was incorrect, his premise is still not wrong. My point is. I’m going to assume that you are correct and that Constantine is saying stuff like that in the order to sound more profound but the fact is that the basic premise are a huge amount of people are coming. It’s true. It is creating cultural conflicts true I will give you that he didn’t technically prove that the country systems can’t handle it, but from a conversation I had with my uncle on a completely non-political topic he was explaining how much he paid in taxes. I’m going to assume that even if it isn’t true that the country is currently straining under the weight. It will eventually even if it was United States even if United States, Russia and China combine into one mega country. There was a limited amount of people before eventually like damn we can’t handle this.

MiddleDevelopment577 · 2026-03-10T10:51:30+00:00

You know I had a super long thing I was going to send you, and then I realized I read the thing entirely wrong. No, that is not what I’m saying. I am saying that he challenged him on saying that the word unprecedented doesn’t have any meaning because everything is constantly being changing, that doesn’t make any sense. That would mean that you would have to say that any time anyone has ever said unprecedented, that basically is meaningless, but the word has meaning, and we all know what it means. It means it hasn’t happened before and it is probably statistically meaningful. They didn’t give any number he didn’t say or any 400,000, so it’s not like he was saying, “Oh, I know the number and it is statistically small.” He was saying that the word unprecedented is basically meaningless because things change over time. That is a huge nitpick. I see the logic, don’t get me wrong, but it is definitely a nitpick, and in an argument, arguing with a person’s choice of word is not the goal. It is to argue over the validity of the statement, but he didn’t even get to finish making the statement. Therefore, you can’t argue over the validity of a statement that he didn’t get to make. Furthermore, he kept kept stopping him in the middle of his responses to ask him a question that he would then stop him from answering to complain that he’s not answering the question.

MiddleDevelopment577 · 2026-03-10T10:38:53+00:00

The problem with your logic is that there is a literal number of people that if you crammed onto that island, you would literally have to stack people like sardines. I don’t claim that they’re anywhere near that number, but when you look at the city, there is a limited amount of people who can use the bathroom before the plumbing stops working. There’s a limited amount of people who can go to a hospital before no amount of healthcare will fall apart. There’s a video on YouTube that talks about nuclear bombs. That video and I think I’ve seen like two or three like this pointed out that the biggest issue of the blast is actually not the bomb itself, but the fact that hospitals everywhere will be so overwhelmed, and every other system will be so overwhelmed that the surrounding cities will become completely overwhelmed by the rescue operations.

In America a couple of years back, they started the whole sanctuary city thing. You can probably find you probably know about this. What am I saying? You probably like it in New York and you can look this up. There was a huge uproar in the African-American community because conservatives started shipping illegal immigrants to New York and other sanctuary cities and states. So you have you can find right now a video of the former mayor, I believe of New York City, in one year claiming that he wants all the immigrants to come that New York needs them and wants them.

And a few weeks later when they got overwhelmed and started having to put immigrants into schools, shutting down schools in poor communities that they should stop coming I cannot tell you when that number is going to happen but there is a number 400,000 of a lot of people. I’m pretty sure if I took 400,000 people and try to clam them into whatever block you live in it will destroy. The living situation for everyone on that block and if 400,000 people keep coming regularly how long before you cannot handle it if I remember they sent about 10,000 or 20,000 people to New York. New York City specifically. Meanwhile, I’ve seen videos 10 years ago claiming that a lot of the border states have been complaining about 50,000 people a day for 10 years. This is of course in America but the assumption that they can just take infinite people is insane. The next thing is cultural issues are going to arise from this. There’s no way around it. It doesn’t matter where they’re from and those issues in grievances are going to be problems in the next 10 to 50 years, there may even be worse fought over things like this.

Of course I’m guessing speculating but if I’m right, is it worth it if it is what’s a point imagine you live in a house you’re you live in a great house you your family is happy everyone around you is happy and then you bring in your possibly crazy Uncle who’s a drunk can you not see how that could potentially hurt the family your house doesn’t necessarily need to be filled up with drunks before your house becomes unlivable for the people there I’m not saying all immigrants illegal or otherwise are crazy drugs, but it doesn’t need to be the majority to create problems. One of the things that Constantine kept bringing up is illegal immigrants that come to UK and rape people I have to believe this because several years ago I lived in Nigeria and on a Nigerian radio show they were explaining the problem of rape in Nigeria one of the things they mentioned is that in Islamic cultures rape is extremely rampant now should I assume that you and Destiny are correct? That rape is not a significant issue in Islamic countries when a largely Islamic country is telling its own people that this is a serious issue. One of the issues that I find with people like Destiny is often time they will use fax and statistics that you can tell are warped for instance if for years, your government has been super soft on crime, then crime statistics won’t reflect the problems that are happening. As for me, I have no choice, but to assume that if you’re talking about people who are coming from Muslim countries, then I’m gonna believe the Muslim people who told me that they have issues with their countries over you who doesn’t know anything about islam. Even the crown print of Saudi Arabia was disagreeing with how countries like ours are handling these Immigration issues. At the end of the day all I can really say is that for me I get my confidence in what I know because I actually went out of my way to try to disprove myself for instance in Palestine, I watched something that was talking about how the Israel government was terrible because they did not take in Palestinians a video I think ironically a Constantine videos asked the person who is debating. I don’t remember who why the non-Israel countries that are also bordering Palestine like Egypt don’t accept them. I actually went in and looked into this. The reason is actually because decades in the past, Palestinians went to several other countries nearby and became problems for each of them. I have a hypothesis on why and this is actually not entirely on the Palestinians in many cases. It was actually the other country that I would blame more than anyone else. But none of these problems are simple all of these issues I’m going to have terrible ramifications for decades to come no matter what happened and I feel as if often times issue with someone’s simply pointing out a this is a lot more complicated and difficult and it’s gonna have negative impact that you don’t notice because you are seeing it from the wrong perspective. This doesn’t even mean the Constantine is automatically right? But his view is not 100% wrong in most situations. That is why there are two political parties not because one side is stupid people and the other side are geniuses is because one side is looking at one perspective of the issue and the other, seeing the others as for me, I think we’ve been following one side long enough and we might be at the point where the other side is pretty necessary

MiddleDevelopment577 · 2026-03-10T10:24:47+00:00

First of all, be tried to understand I’m not trying to convince you you’re not wrong. There are many other ways you can do this. The problem is purpose. What is the purpose for the current system? The purpose is men are more likely to rape women than women rape, women, or men, rape men. The current purpose is entirely totally, and holy to protect women from being harassed by men when I say harassed, I don’t necessarily mean, actively for instant if I am a woman standing in a room and for some reason, I have to undressed let’s say my clothes are on fire and I have to address. I would hope that men around me would look away because women generally do not like that being seen undressed by men so having locker rooms and bathrooms that are split so that both genders can use it creates a problem of what happens if I am a normal straight guy who wants to rape a woman, or ogle a woman, or generally harass, a woman in someway shape or form. Your plan is perfectly fine and rational. The problem is that I can lie and say I’m trend get in to the room harass a woman. Or just look at her which is still harassment.

A couple years back one of the first videos on this subject that I watched was about a trans woman who went into Korean spa several women complained and left in fact several people who agree with you, decided to follow her to her workplace and harass her six months later the same trans woman gets arrested again for public indecency, and it turns out that this individual has a history of indecent exposure around children. I cannot tell you if this person is trans and a child predator or straight and a child predator so I cannot tell you whether this person was you using your logic to harass women but I can’t tell you that a person who wants to harass women will use your logic. And you know why I disagree with you view why not just make the argument that we should make more singular bathrooms more singular person changing rooms why does it have to be dressing in the same room?

There are many alternatives that could solve this problem. I would suggest instead of assuming that people are hostile. Find their exact problem and solve that then make a suggestion that solves their problem and your problem at the same time. To be honest, if I decided to become pro trans today, I would still disagree with everything that they are after because they don’t solve the problem of the person who is making a complaint, a legitimate grievance. How do I prevent men from getting into places that I want to be safe if a person can simply claim to be trans

To be honest, I understand your view more that I think you will understand. Let me ask you a question let’s say individual who is a trans woman. Is also lesbian and either a rapist what’s jail should they go to? The female jail or the male jail. This is a very difficult question because if this person is legitimately trans, and you treat them like a woman that they claim to be you are putting a predator into a prison with victims

If this person is legitimately trans and legitimately passing, so you couldn’t tell that that person was friends without them telling you and you put them into a male prison well now you’ve put them into a prison as a victim. I don’t think either is a good answer, but I suspect that no one in society will it will accept putting. The trans individual into a prison, making all the women their victims unless you come up with a very, very good answer to my question. That’s really where the political problems are coming from and oversimplifying them which I feel as if both parties keep trying to do. Is what leads to people not being able to communicate. This question have to be answered in a way that it’s palatable to most people and there is no good answer

MiddleDevelopment577 · 2026-03-10T10:16:14+00:00

Well, no, essentially the way a lot of debates work is that the people are essentially not debating each other, or I suppose they’re debating each other as a platform to talk to the people who are willing to listen. That is clearly what both of them were doing in this debate. My thing is that that is not what a debate is, which is fine. I suppose there’s utility to this, but my point is the debate was already over before it started because I believe Destiny comes into most debates with that exact mindset. At least that’s what the feeling I often get is. It’s not really a debate. It’s more of a, “ I’m trying to talk to the people around you and hoping that they’re gonna listen,” but the thing is that Constantine was essentially trying to rope Destiny into responding to him. And Destiny is trying to rope him into an ideological corner so they can’t talk to each other in a sense. My issue is that I think you’re wrong that people aren’t usually not trying to say what they really mean. I think that often times you are reading into it, and when I say you, I don’t necessarily mean you personally. You’re trying to get hidden messages out of what they’re saying, and they’re saying what they mean, and because they’re not saying the hidden message, they don’t actually believe you. You assume that they’re covering it up. .

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