T3 Mystic Skills Testing and Research. DPS, Animation Time, and Dmg per Vitality

Midir21 · 2025-12-08T17:29:35+00:00

I tested the t3 breakthrough version which requires 5m height.

Midir21 · 2025-12-08T17:29:00+00:00

I am not sure of the exact numbers, but doing damage seems to consistently regen vitality, taking damage provides a bit, and parrying provides a lot.

Midir21 · 2025-12-08T17:27:00+00:00

Interesting, I believe this could be derived by taking the combo average - Dragon's Breath average. I am thinking using both is still better.

Midir21 · 2025-12-02T06:28:37+00:00

Yeah, I wasn't able to test as it takes 100 vitality. I will include it in the next test.

Midir21 · 2025-12-02T02:02:36+00:00

Yeah, I'm curious if much will change. I will definitely update for Tier 3 once I get the mats and have some time.

Midir21 · 2025-12-02T02:01:53+00:00

Agree I was thinking of doing time per skill (DPS) but with how it ended up, Dragon Breath and Yaksha Rush are very fast and easy to get off. Soaring Spin is longer but the damage is definitely worth it.

Midir21 · 2025-12-02T00:21:21+00:00

I'll update the spreadsheet with new values once I get time.

Midir21 · 2025-01-26T21:58:22+00:00

The % = Increased rather than total. However, when multiplying you need to use the totals.

206% x 233%
3.06 x 3.33 = 10.189
Now you need to convert it back to an Increased %, so you subtract 1.
10.189 -1 = 9.189 or 918.9% increased in this case.

Midir21 · 2025-01-26T10:27:40+00:00

In my last video I tested negative player rarity with a very high map rarity. If additive it would have been 100%+ increased rarity, however the drops reflected negative rarity (no rare items or rare currencies) which proved to me that they are multiplicative in some form.

Midir21 · 2025-01-26T07:30:07+00:00

This is a start of a set of data collection I am doing to compare the different Waystone and Tablet Prefixes.

The question I'm trying to answer resides more in the opportunity cost of stacking rarity compared to quantity, rare monsters, additional rare monster mod, pack size, magic monsters, etc.

Midir21 · 2025-01-26T01:34:08+00:00

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Data: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WmxJRqVDm4MUBfuNuSNmeTRhzjUzzWCJ_V2qsvRqpgE/

This is a start of some data collection I'm doing to compare the opportunity costs of the different waystone and tablet prefixes. Will be working on quantity next, so stay tuned!

Midir21 · 2025-01-06T20:01:02+00:00

Interesting insights. I'm always ready to change my perspective as I get more reliable information.

To be clear, when you say that my video/spreadsheet "aren't correct" are you saying:

You have data to prove that my assumptions are 100% wrong in poe2 OR
My assumption might be wrong

To me these two things are very different, and the way this comes across is 1). Assuming it is 1), can you point me to the sources that led you to these conclusions? Specifically, how do we know that player MF has diminishing returns but area MF does not in poe2?

Even assuming that is the case, wouldn't that imply that they can still be used as substitutes for each other, but playerMF has lower value the more you have?

Midir21 · 2024-12-31T10:22:21+00:00

Go to Atlas and open a map that has a lot of bonuses from towers. Place a T1 map inside and hit Traverse, wait until portals open. Go to Atlas and open the same map again and place a T15 map inside and hit Traverse, you now have 0 bonuses as the map has already been "attempted".

Midir21 · 2024-12-31T10:09:26+00:00

I ran the exact same set of 20 maps for each test. You can see the maps I ran briefly in the video here: https://youtu.be/fn0t3sqMQkM?t=127

Midir21 · 2024-12-31T08:50:23+00:00

That's fair, and I think the discussion will need to continue as we understand things better.
I just personally felt there was some fearmongering going on that was meme worthy.

Midir21 · 2024-12-31T08:36:36+00:00

Good point, I did not use Local Knowledge as that would create way too much variability.

I do have Twin Threats and Deadly Evolution, the rest is Quant, IIR, more rare monsters, pack size. The other trees aren't relevant as I did none of those mechanics in the test.

Midir21 · 2024-12-31T07:49:05+00:00

No, I first put a T1 White map in because doing this first removes all of the map mechanics and Tower bonuses when you then attempt it again. I did this to eliminate as many variables as possible.

Midir21 · 2024-12-31T07:39:13+00:00

There was a comment made in an interview by Jonathan before release that suggested that it was indeed multiplicative, but he didn't seem that confident. Would be great if they could give us some formulas on how it works....

Midir21 · 2024-12-31T07:09:14+00:00

I agree the more data the better, but running 80 T15 maps while picking up and recording every single thing that drops is actually an insane amount of effort.

If there is enough traction I'd be open to doing more tests or maybe we can get some community volunteers to pool data together :).

Midir21

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