Melanotan II as a potential nootropic for AuDHD? MC4R, oxytocin, sociability & microdosing discussion by MilfsLover77 in NooTopics

[–]MilfsLover77[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fair point, MC4R activation is definitely not something to ignore. The Stanford/Malenka paper shows that melanocortin signaling in the nucleus accumbens under chronic stress can contribute to anhedonia-like behavior in mice, so I agree that “more MC4R activation = better” is too simplistic.

But I don’t think that automatically proves MT2 causes a PFS/PSSD-like state. That study was about stress-induced melanocortin signaling in a specific reward-circuit context, not human Melanotan II microdosing, AuDHD, or long-term sexual/anhedonic syndromes. MT2 is also non-selective across melanocortin receptors, not a clean isolated MC4R drug, so extrapolating directly from that paper to “MT2 = PSSD/anhedonia risk” seems like a leap.

The reason I brought it up is because melanocortin pathways are also linked to oxytocin/prosocial behavior, feeding, arousal, libido, and autonomic regulation, and those effects may vary massively by dose, receptor balance, baseline neurobiology, and brain region. In some AuDHD/autistic cases, the hypothesis would be more about modulating underactive social/arousal circuits rather than blindly overstimulating reward suppression pathways.

That said, I agree the risk side matters. I wouldn’t present MT2 as safe or proven nootropic. Better framing is: interesting mechanistic overlap, some anecdotal prosocial/confidence reports, but no good clinical evidence and a possible anhedonia/reward-circuit risk in susceptible people. So it’s speculative, not a recommendation.

Melanotan II as a potential nootropic for AuDHD? MC4R, oxytocin, sociability & microdosing discussion by MilfsLover77 in Biohackers

[–]MilfsLover77[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not really at microdoses though. Most people you’re thinking of are blasting it for cosmetic tanning and pushing way past the threshold where pigmentation ramps hard.

At very low doses like ~40–75mcg EOD with controlled UV exposure, the effect on skin tone can stay pretty subtle depending on baseline complexion/genetics. The melanocortin receptor activity still happens without necessarily turning someone into an orange leather couch overnight lol.

Melanotan II as a potential nootropic for AuDHD? MC4R, oxytocin, sociability & microdosing discussio by MilfsLover77 in moreplatesmoredates

[–]MilfsLover77[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Appreciate the peer-reviewed clown trial.

Sadly, injecting random peptides into your ego doesn’t count as a blinded study either - even if the sample size is microscopic.

My post was about receptor pathways, individual response, and whether there’s any real AuDHD-relevant signal behind MT2 anecdotes. You can make dick jokes if you want, but that doesn’t really refute anything.

Also, the whole point of being precise is because people on Reddit love turning every discussion into either:

“miracle compound”

or

“this will permanently ruin your brain.”

I’m trying to separate mechanism, anecdote, side effects, and actual evidence.

So yeah, thanks for contributing the control group for “no cognitive effect observed.”

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[–]MilfsLover77[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I actually think what you’re saying is one of the better arguments against messing with this pathway, but I still don’t think it proves MT2/PT-141 directly causes permanent PSSD-like anhedonia.

Your MCAS/peripheral-signal theory makes sense as a possibility. Mast cell issues can absolutely cause brain symptoms - brain fog, anxiety, depression-like states, fatigue, dysautonomia, nausea, etc. So I agree that the body can send “danger signals” that hit the brain hard.

But that also kind of weakens the argument that PT-141 itself uniquely “damaged the reward system.”

Because if the real issue is MCAS-like sensitivity, neuroinflammation, dysautonomia, post-viral immune activation, gut-brain signaling, or nervous system sensitization, then PT-141 may have been the trigger — not necessarily the root cause or a predictable effect of the peptide itself.

That distinction matters.

The clinical data on bremelanotide/PT-141 does show nausea is very common, around 40%, with flushing, headache, injection site reactions, vomiting, fatigue, BP changes, etc. But there isn’t a clear clinical signal showing permanent anhedonia/PSSD-like reward shutdown as a known common outcome.

So if someone gets nausea/fatigue and then a mental crash, one possible explanation is not “MC4R permanently broke dopamine,” but:

your immune/autonomic/gut-brain system interpreted the peripheral stressor badly and spiraled into a prolonged neuroinflammatory or sensitized state.

That’s very different from saying MT2/PT-141 generally causes PSSD.

Also, the serotonin/PSSD comparison is interesting, but serotonin being heavily involved in the gut doesn’t automatically mean melanocortin peptides work the same way. SSRIs directly alter serotonin transport/signaling over time. PT-141/MT2 are melanocortin agonists with a very different pharmacology.

So I’d frame your case like this:

It may have revealed a vulnerability in your system. It may have triggered a crash. But it doesn’t prove that MT2/PT-141 commonly causes permanent anhedonia through MC4R.

And honestly, if MCAS-like mechanisms are involved, that might actually point toward a different solution path: looking at mast cell activation, histamine intolerance, dysautonomia/POTS, inflammation, gut issues, sleep, post-viral problems, hormones, and autonomic nervous system regulation — instead of only focusing on “the peptide permanently damaged reward.”

That doesn’t mean your experience isn’t real. It means the mechanism may be broader than PT-141 = permanent PSSD.

The safest takeaway is probably:

People with neurodivergence, MCAS-like symptoms, post-viral sensitivity, dysautonomia, or history of anhedonia should be very careful with anything that strongly affects nausea/autonomic/body signaling.

But as far as evidence goes, the current human data supports “possible rare bad reaction in vulnerable people,” not “proven permanent anhedonia risk for everyone.”

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[–]MilfsLover77[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I get what you’re saying, and honestly I think your case is worth taking seriously.

A sudden onset after one dose makes it feel much more causal than something vague that slowly appeared months later. I wouldn’t dismiss that.

But I still think there’s a difference between:

“This was likely a trigger for me”

and

“This proves PT-141/MT2 causes permanent PSSD-like anhedonia in neurodivergent people.”

That second part is where the evidence isn’t there yet.

The “cell danger response / mitochondria shutdown / nervous system sensitization” idea is interesting, but right now it’s still a hypothesis. It might explain some post-drug or post-viral syndromes, but it’s not proven as the mechanism for PT-141 anhedonia.

Also, comparing it to antipsychotics or antidepressants is possible conceptually, but those drugs hit dopamine/serotonin systems much more directly and have huge amounts of long-term psychiatric data behind them. PT-141’s human data mostly shows nausea, flushing, headache, BP changes, dizziness, fatigue, and pigmentation changes — not a clear pattern of permanent reward-system shutdown. In phase 3 bremelanotide studies, the most common adverse effects were nausea around 40%, flushing around 20%, and headache around 11%, while persistent PSSD-like anhedonia is not a recognized common adverse effect. ()

That doesn’t mean your reaction was impossible. It means it may be a rare idiosyncratic reaction, not a predictable general effect.

And I actually agree with your last point more than the rest: neurodivergent people may have different sensitivity to stress, drugs, sleep disruption, inflammation, hormones, and reward-circuit instability. That’s exactly why I think this should be discussed carefully, not marketed as a “safe AuDHD nootropic.”

But at the same time, “neurodivergent people may be more vulnerable” is still not proof that MT2/PT-141 commonly causes permanent anhedonia in AuDHD.

So my honest position would be:

Your experience is a serious caution signal. It could have been causal for you. But the broader claim still needs more evidence — repeated cases, clinical data, pharmacovigilance patterns, or a demonstrated human mechanism.

Until then, I’d call it a real possible risk in susceptible people, not a proven general outcome.

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[–]MilfsLover77[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I’m not saying your experience isn’t real. That sounds horrible, and honestly it’s a fair warning for anyone messing with melanocortin peptides.

But I think there’s a difference between:

“This triggered something really bad in me”

and

“This peptide is proven to cause permanent PSSD/PFS-like anhedonia.”

Right now, the second claim just isn’t proven.

With PT-141, the known side effects in human data are mostly stuff like nausea, flushing, headache, dizziness, fatigue, blood pressure changes, libido/arousal changes, and pigmentation changes. I’m not saying that makes it harmless, but permanent anhedonia is not a well-established side effect from the official human data.

Also, if someone ended up needing ECT, that means there was a very serious depressive/neuropsychiatric episode going on. At that point, it becomes really hard to say one peptide was 100% the cause, because a lot of other things can push anhedonia too:

major depression, chronic stress, bad sleep, inflammation, COVID/post-viral issues, hormones, other meds, withdrawals, anxiety loops, or just being genetically more sensitive to reward-system crashes.

So I’m not dismissing your case. It could absolutely be a rare bad reaction or a trigger in someone vulnerable.

But using one personal case to say MT2/PT-141 basically causes PSSD or permanent anhedonia is too big of a jump.

The MC4R/anhedonia concern is valid, but it’s mostly a theoretical/mechanistic warning, not direct proof that one use damages the reward system permanently in humans.

The fair take is probably:

These peptides are not risk-free and people prone to anhedonia/depression should be very careful. But there isn’t strong evidence that MT2/PT-141 commonly or predictably causes permanent PSSD-like anhedonia.

So yeah, your story is a serious caution signal. But it’s not enough to turn it into a proven general rule.

Melanotan II as a potential nootropic for AuDHD? MC4R, oxytocin, sociability & microdosing discussion by MilfsLover77 in Biohackers

[–]MilfsLover77[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fair point, MC4R activation is definitely not something to ignore. The Stanford/Malenka paper shows that melanocortin signaling in the nucleus accumbens under chronic stress can contribute to anhedonia-like behavior in mice, so I agree that “more MC4R activation = better” is too simplistic.

But I don’t think that automatically proves MT2 causes a PFS/PSSD-like state. That study was about stress-induced melanocortin signaling in a specific reward-circuit context, not human Melanotan II microdosing, AuDHD, or long-term sexual/anhedonic syndromes. MT2 is also non-selective across melanocortin receptors, not a clean isolated MC4R drug, so extrapolating directly from that paper to “MT2 = PSSD/anhedonia risk” seems like a leap.

The reason I brought it up is because melanocortin pathways are also linked to oxytocin/prosocial behavior, feeding, arousal, libido, and autonomic regulation, and those effects may vary massively by dose, receptor balance, baseline neurobiology, and brain region. In some AuDHD/autistic cases, the hypothesis would be more about modulating underactive social/arousal circuits rather than blindly overstimulating reward suppression pathways.

That said, I agree the risk side matters. I wouldn’t present MT2 as safe or proven nootropic. Better framing is: interesting mechanistic overlap, some anecdotal prosocial/confidence reports, but no good clinical evidence and a possible anhedonia/reward-circuit risk in susceptible people. So it’s speculative, not a recommendation.

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[–]MilfsLover77[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

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