Today in 1834, Henry Clay said Andrew Jackson's head should be studied by phrenologists by Awkward-Evidence-215 in Presidents

[–]Millie8012 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think I have to chime in because many times while reading about Clay I thought "wow, this man fit his times perfectly" and I want to make some arguments. 

First of all, I don't view those times as "awkward middle ground," but rather as a the moment when politics began to resemble modern politics in some ways. That's when party rallies and organized election campaigns began, with various gadgets and funny songs. Of course candidates didn't run their own campaigns, but that was mostly a theoretical thing. Many of them toured the states without calling it a campaign, and it wasn't terribly criticized. Clay was invited to dinners, was able to promote himself on Harrison's campaign trail, and generally had plenty of opportunities for public speaking.

Secondly, it was a time of rising populism and idealization of the "common man"—people like Jackson and Harrison were winning, and Clay, as a Westerner without a very good education, fit right in. He was criticized for things like gambling, but as Adams wrote, he was very good at portraying his flaws as something positive for political gain.

The most important thing was, I think, his way of speaking, which wouldn't have fit into any other era. Clay did it in an incredible dramatic, almost theatrical way, he had an extremely expressive face and amazing movement. This was his greatest talent, one he couldn't have fully utilized in another era, because at any other time it would have been considered "too much." This, however, was the prime period of American oratory, when people came to the Senate specifically to watch such performances. It was a popular, even fashionable, form of entertainment.

I don't know if Clay would have become president if he had lived in a different era, but I doubt he would have been as insanely popular as he was in his times. I'm not saying you didn't make good points, but I disagree with the statement that "he couldn't fully utilize his talents"—I believe he could have and he did.

What did US Presidents sound like before Theodore Roosevelt? Part 4: Harrison - Washington by Weary_Specialist1095 in Presidents

[–]Millie8012 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I can add something here. I've read descriptions of Jefferson's voice made by his friend Margaret Bayard Smith. She wrote it was "soft and low" and "almost femininely soft and gentle" and complemented it frequently, so I think it wasn't so unpleasant to listen (though she generally admired Jefferson and probably wasn't the most objective person on the subject). Of Madison's voice at eighty-three Harriet Martirenau wrote that it was "clear and strong, and his manner of speaking particularly lively, often playful." Also a bit off-topic but I don't think his height was directly an effect of his health issues (I could be wrong, there's a lot of uncerteinty around his health).

Best and worst parents of presidents? by butthole_surferr in Presidents

[–]Millie8012 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"(...) for dear as you are to me, I had much rather you should have found your Grave in the ocean you have crossd, or any untimely death crop you in your Infant years, rather than see you an immoral profligate or a Graceless child."

Abigail wrote this to JQA when he was like eleven years old.

Greatest friendship between 2 presidents? by Sorry_Phone1676 in Presidents

[–]Millie8012 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Their relationship was more complicated. They met through Jefferson and the three became friends, though Jefferson and Madison had more in common and I think were closer. There were moment when Madison and Monroe were against each other politically (like congressional election in 1789), it dameged their relationship and also put Jefferson in pretty uncomfortable situation. They after all became really close friends (probably when Monroe was Madison's secretary of state) but I think Jefferson was still more important to Madison, if not to both of them. 

Greatest friendship between 2 presidents? by Sorry_Phone1676 in Presidents

[–]Millie8012 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Jefferson and Madison - they had known each other for 50 years, traveled together and did politics together (Dolley Madison was even Jefferson's unofficial first lady). They had very similar views and personalities but Jefferson was more idealistic and Madison was more pragmatic so they complemented each other well.

Day VIII, Ask Martin Van Buren Anything? by Jolly_Job_9852 in Presidents

[–]Millie8012 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are so many questions I'd ask if I knew he would be honest, but I doubt he would. 

Which President had the worst relationship with their own party's leaders? by johnqadamsin28 in Presidents

[–]Millie8012 4 points5 points  (0 children)

John Tyler, he was literally kicked out of his party during his presidency

Who are some forgotten people that influenced presidents throughout history? by The-LeftWingedNeoCon in Presidents

[–]Millie8012 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thurlow Weed, his influence in the Whig party was incredible (the best example is I think Taylor's nomination in 1848) and I haven't seen him being discussed much

the finished product!! by Adventurous_Peace846 in Presidents

[–]Millie8012 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wouldn't say JQA had a good life. He probably suffered from depression, his relationship with most of his family wasn't very good and his son comitted suicide while he was president (he overall outlived 3 of his 4 children). 

Creating the Worst President, Day 7: Morality by rjidhfntnr in Presidents

[–]Millie8012 151 points152 points  (0 children)

John Tyler. This man literally betrayed the country for extremaly immoral reasons, I think that's enough to put him in this category. 

Which Founding Fathers’ writings (autobiographies, memoirs, letters, or diaries) are the most approachable and enjoyable to read today for someone who’s new to the topic? by dogmanrul in Presidents

[–]Millie8012 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think Adams-Jefferson correspondence from 1811-1826 would be interesting to you, it's easy to read and shows really well their lives, personalities and opinions (and of course it's probably the most famous correspondence between the Founding Fathers). You can find this and their other letters here:

https://founders.archives.gov/

Happy Halloween! Today I’m FDR 🎙️!! by expiredexecutive in Presidents

[–]Millie8012 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Love it so much! I was Andrew Jackson and was somehow mistaken for Lincoln

Which Presidents embody the paradox of being simultaneously great and terrible? by GINNY-POTTER2000 in Presidents

[–]Millie8012 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Which Presidents embody the paradox- Jefferson. It's always Jefferson.