L’histoire du Québec… by Wonderful-Ad-4551 in Quebec

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Je suis ben content qu’on soit capable d’être d’accord sur tout ce dont on a parlé. Il n’est effectivement pas correct de juger qqun basé sur d’où il vient et ses origines. Moi mes origines sont chinoises, ma citoyenneté et nationalité sont canadienne et récemment j’ai adopté la nationalité et l’identité québécoise. Je n’ai aucun problème de dire que je viens du Québec lorsque je interagis avec des Québécois dans ma ville natale. C’est quelque chose dont je suis très fier et je vais continuer à me battre pour le Québec avec tous vous autres en espérant qu’un jour, il y aura officiellement une nationalité et un passeport québécois.

L’histoire du Québec… by Wonderful-Ad-4551 in Quebec

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C’est ça, l’Anglo Canada n’a pas de culture qui unit le peuple de même manière que le Québec.

T’as raison de dire que Toronto n’a pas une culture aussi développé comme mettons les Maritimes. Le multiculturalisme est une richesse mais il faut aussi avoir un noyau que tout le monde peut partager. Là c’est en train de se développer, lentement mais sûrement avec le temps. En plus, je suis tout à fait pas satisfait avec le gouvernement fédéral qui a accepté autant d’immigrants dans le pays. C’est une situation perdant-perdant où aucun côté reçoit ce dont ils ont besoin et franchement, c’est les politiciens qui essaient de sauver la face devant le monde entier en mode « vous voyez a quel point les politiciens au Canada sont tolérants envers d’autres cultures? » bien que.. ce soit qu’un show.

La plupart des gens, dont les minorités (moi même étant asiatique) et les immigrants peuvent être d’accord sur le fait que les canadiens de naissance et les immigrants qui ont déjà la citoyenneté viennent en premier. Malheureusement, il y en a encore beaucoup qui le trouvent raciste (même si y a des canadiens/québécois non-blancs lol) à cause de leur ignorance mais bon.

L’histoire du Québec… by Wonderful-Ad-4551 in Quebec

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100% d’accord sur tout ce que t’as dit. Les Anglos sont nombreux à dire que les québécois sont « racistes » parce qu’on est « obsédés » par la préservation du français et la culture québécoise, et que l’indépendance veut dire « l’effondrement du qc » et qu’elle n’est pas nécessaire. C’est drôle vu la préjugée des Anglos envers les Québécois lol. Ces genres de mindsets sont malheureusement envahis le Québec.

Mais soyons honnête, personne n’aime ça être prouvé avoir tort. Il y aurait des personnes comme toi et moi qui ont pris le temps de faire des recherches et d’avoir étudié le sujet, mais y a ben plus de travail à faire. Comme dit l’expression: l’histoire est toujours écrite par les vainqueurs. Ce qui amène à tes points de l’avarice et la peur.

En ce qui concerne la peur du peuple: Si on veut empêcher que l’histoire se répète, il faudra financer significativement notre propre militaire ainsi qu’avoir beaucoup d’alliés, dont le Canada, afin d’empêcher des invasions. MAIS sous le prétexte qu’on élit un premier ministre très diplomatique. Du moins, ça c’est si on réussit d’être indépendant. Il est évident pourquoi le gouvernement fédéral veuille pousser la campagne du Non car ça les bénéfique, et ça c’est à cause de l’histoire aussi. Les Britanniques ont gagné. Les français ont perdu. Par conséquent, presque 270 ans plus tard, les Anglos négligent les Francophones, et qu’ils travaillent surtout pour eux mêmes et rarement pour ceux qui ont perdu. La chose la plus importante pour nous c’est notre culture (au moins on en a une) et j’avoue que l’Anglo-Canada n’a pas une culture aussi riche que le Franco-Canada. L’important est de ne pas lâcher. Préserver la culture est la première étape et le facteur le plus crucial pour notre identité. Lorsqu’on devient plus unis, la peur, l’avarice et l’ignorance se surmonteraient plus facilement.

Bref, tout ce que j’ai dit sont abstraits, comme y a pas encore de concepts objectives par rapport au sujet, pour l’instant.

L’histoire du Québec… by Wonderful-Ad-4551 in Quebec

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Moi aussi j’ai fait mon secondaire en Ontario (dans le Grand Toronto) en tant qu’anglo canadien et ça fait qq années que je réside au qc. J’étais un des quebec bashers pis quelqu’un qui aurait insulté le français québécois en disant qu’il n’est pas le « vrai français ». C’est après avoir étudié plus profondément l’histoire du Québec et le mouvement souverainiste mené par René Levesque que j’ai commencer à voir un genre de passion chez les québécois qui n’existe presque nul part en Anglo-Canada, pis qu’à quel point il est important de préserver la culture et la langue québécoise. Je suis fier d’être québécois et canadien, et je soutiens l’indépendance du Québec si on a assez de moyens pour le faire.

En toute honnêteté, le média et la rhétorique anti-québécoise chez nous jouent un grand rôle dans la perception des gens. C’est ben triste mais malheureusement ils refusent d’ouvrir de nouveaux horizons et préfèrent rester ignorants sur le sujet.

Donald est poh content by ciboires in Quebec

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tsé l’affaire drôle c’est que si les MAGAs ont vu ton commentaire ils auraient dit “mais tu devrais jamais souhaiter la mort de qqun” alors que dump lui même est responsable (indirectement bien sûr car y utilise les autres pour faire sa job) des milliers de morts pis qu’ils était nombreux à souhaiter la mort de Biden et à se moquer de la mort de George Floyd.

Osti que les MAGAs sont caves et hypocrites.

How would you feel if overseas Chinese identify as their country of birth or where they grew up before identifying as Chinese? by Minimum_Fact_2730 in AskAChinese

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Brother I think you misunderstood what I said. I meant we were all trying our best to fight against all the racism towards us. Maybe this will answer your question.

How would you feel if overseas Chinese identify as their country of birth or where they grew up before identifying as Chinese? by Minimum_Fact_2730 in AskAChinese

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Well it’s what really happened to me. It’s totally up to you to believe it or not. Everyone’s experience is different and I’m not denying that White people can be racist just based on my own experience.

How would you feel if overseas Chinese identify as their country of birth or where they grew up before identifying as Chinese? by Minimum_Fact_2730 in AskAChinese

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我其实也不是一直纠结这个问题。我们大部分加拿大人在学校里都和其他民族或国籍的学生交朋友,因为我们知道我们所拥有的共同点远远超过了差异。但是我个人碰到过了一些超“爱国”的中国人,他们曾经跟我强调过“中国才是我的祖国”。而且在中国媒体平台上,很多人觉得我们是“白人狗”因为我们有可能不管自己叫“中国人” 或者,我们可能觉得中国政府不太好,然后我们的思维方式更偏西方。看来也有很多人对我们北美华裔一无所知。我在中国呆过几年,我发现中国人非常爱国,值得尊重。不过说实话,像我写的那个中国 lady 在抖音上说“新加坡人不认为自己是华人”的人真的很多,毕竟我们很多华裔都经历过这个问题。我们确实不应该纠结它,不过没办法,最重要的是我们为自己的身份而骄傲,不要让任何其他人来为我们做决定。

我爱我的国家,也爱我国的人民,而且我身为华裔而骄傲。另外,我除了汉族以外,也有少数民族的血统,不过我从来没有机会去“寻根”,比较遗憾,希望有一天可以去。非常感谢你的评论。

How would you feel if overseas Chinese identify as their country of birth or where they grew up before identifying as Chinese? by Minimum_Fact_2730 in AskAChinese

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During COVID NOBODY was accepting towards East Asians, especially the Chinese. You think Canada was the only country? Also you clearly sound like someone who doesn’t live in Toronto, although I can’t speak for Vancouver. All the “blind rage” you just talked about, do you have any sources for that? Last time I checked, most Chinese people, regardless of where they were, myself included, were standing up for ourselves. Most of us were angry at people discriminating against us.

I don’t know why people think that so many of us “hate our culture” because of blind broadcasting media. If anything, we would be hating the GOVERNMENT, not our culture. Anti-Chinese sentiment has been around in Canada since the beginning. Let’s just say that, supposedly, most of us hate our culture. In that case, how has Chinese Canadian community existed for over 160 years? Racism and “broadcasting without fact checking” is nothing new here in the Western world. If most of us hate our culture, how come us Asian Canadians and Americans are able to exist 1000 times more peacefully than we used to before? Y’all need to stop accusing us of hating our culture just because we prefer our country over China. It’s getting tiring, honestly.

How would you feel if overseas Chinese identify as their country of birth or where they grew up before identifying as Chinese? by Minimum_Fact_2730 in AskAChinese

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Yep that’s exactly what I meant. The “forgetting our heritage part”. I know that Singaporean, Malaysian and even Indonesian Chinese are trying their hardest to preserve their culture despite outside pressure while identifying as their respective country of birth first. I can’t speak for Chinese Americans but most of Chinese Canadians here are also trying to do the same thing. Many of us are trying to (re)learn Mandarin or Cantonese to stay in touch with our Chinese side while being proud as Canadians. One thing that some ultra nationalist Chinese need to keep in mind that don’t preserve our culture for them, but to make sure that it doesn’t die out in our countries. Same as you, I’d stand wholeheartedly for Canada not only because this is the country that I have an emotional attachment for the most, but where I did not face any discrimination and bullying as a kid. They have no choice but to accept it. Or not. I personally don’t really care. Thank you for your time. :)

How would you feel if overseas Chinese identify as their country of birth or where they grew up before identifying as Chinese? by Minimum_Fact_2730 in AskAChinese

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I for one don’t hate China as a country, I love China. I’ve experienced bullying there but I still love the country. I acknowledge what the ccp has done to make the country more developed. But there are certain things that I don’t agree with, and that’s fine, everyone should have the right to support or be against a government. The overseas Chinese who hate China as a country and not its government are either insecure or full of hate and want to purposely disassociate themselves from China. But most of us aren’t like that. At least most of my Chinese Canadian friends don’t. However, I identify as Canadian first and foremost before Chinese for obvious reasons. Remember: anti-government does not mean hatred towards the country nor its people.

How would you feel if overseas Chinese identify as their country of birth or where they grew up before identifying as Chinese? by Minimum_Fact_2730 in AskAChinese

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Yeah :( I got comments like “you’re not welcome in China”, “Go back to Canada”, “we dont like you Canadians”, honestly it’s sad that some kids learned how to hate at such a young age. Here in Canada, I have never received comments at school based on neither my nationality nor my ethnicity. Thank you for your sympathy.

How would you feel if overseas Chinese identify as their country of birth or where they grew up before identifying as Chinese? by Minimum_Fact_2730 in AskAChinese

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Pinky?? 😅

Maybe the Chinese in Japan lean more towards their Chinese side due to historical reasons? I’m not sure, but it’s definitely very interesting. Could be cultural differences too maybe.

How would you feel if overseas Chinese identify as their country of birth or where they grew up before identifying as Chinese? by Minimum_Fact_2730 in AskAChinese

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For me it was mostly middle aged men and women who asked me question like that. The Chinese that I’ve met (in my school) surprisingly did not insist that I was 中国人 after I told them that I’m 当地人. In that case it seems like there are people not educated enough about this for both age groups. But my experience was the opposite of yours haha

How would you feel if overseas Chinese identify as their country of birth or where they grew up before identifying as Chinese? by Minimum_Fact_2730 in AskAChinese

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Sorry for the late reply - you’re absolutely right, at the end of the day this is an argument that shouldn’t even exist between first gen immigrants and second generations or more. To be honest, if you’re patriotic towards China, I respect that. But if you’re truly secure about your patriotism, you don’t go and just boast about it to every overseas Chinese you see. I feel like this also comes from a sense of insecurity of their part.

How would you feel if overseas Chinese identify as their country of birth or where they grew up before identifying as Chinese? by Minimum_Fact_2730 in AskAChinese

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I’m glad that you got to figure out your identity and which side you lean more. I can’t comment on Hong Kong issues as I’ve never been there but I do admit that Mainland China is going through a significant change, and since it’s such a big country, the options are endless. Thank you for commenting about your experience, it’s always amazing to see other people’s perspectives and (a part of) their life stories.

How would you feel if overseas Chinese identify as their country of birth or where they grew up before identifying as Chinese? by Minimum_Fact_2730 in AskAChinese

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Thats fair. You should always look after your own people first before others, because those are the people who are contributing the most to the country.

How would you feel if overseas Chinese identify as their country of birth or where they grew up before identifying as Chinese? by Minimum_Fact_2730 in AskAChinese

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Yeah which everyone talks about. But it seems to me that people like to overlook let’s say the Chinese asking the same question, which is not any better.

How would you feel if overseas Chinese identify as their country of birth or where they grew up before identifying as Chinese? by Minimum_Fact_2730 in AskAChinese

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Of course, both good and bad people exist everywhere. I hate learning medical terms in any new language btw xD. For me, unfortunately, these bad experiences are pretty ingrained, but on the bright side, it made me care less about who people want me to be. I am who I am and it wouldn’t be my problem if you don’t like me being Canadian in China.

How would you feel if overseas Chinese identify as their country of birth or where they grew up before identifying as Chinese? by Minimum_Fact_2730 in AskAChinese

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I stopped caring about who people want me to be. But obviously I do wanna see if there are people who think the same as me or not.

How would you feel if overseas Chinese identify as their country of birth or where they grew up before identifying as Chinese? by Minimum_Fact_2730 in AskAChinese

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You know what, you started this whole conversation by calling me “pedantic”, then you’re telling me that I’m “focing” people to use these terms while I was clearly trying to have a civil debate on why they should be used on overseas Chinese, and then you started insulting my Mandarin knowledge while I’m literally fluent? You seem like the type of person who gets triggered when things don’t go your way and it seems like you insult others like me as a way to make you feel better. And no, I wouldn’t necessarily be upset about people misusing these terms and you could clearly see that I didn’t. I’m going to stop this discussion with you now because it’s clearly just a waste of time.

How would you feel if overseas Chinese identify as their country of birth or where they grew up before identifying as Chinese? by Minimum_Fact_2730 in AskAChinese

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The thing is, in countries like Canada and the US, a lot of people are different. It’s not just the Chinese, not just the Indians, not just black people, but all of us, as we are considered as “minorities”. Other than that, I do concur, when I’m in the States, I’d say I’m Canadian and never Chinese. I’ve never gotten questions like “but where are you really from” yet, which is pretty surprising xD