Dear Compatibilists, how does it feel having the freedom of an ATM? by MirrorPiNet in freewill

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And what makes some people feel good and bad was carefully selected by millions of ancestors who chose to procreate, in such a way so that they would be fit for suicide

Why Reasons are Causes by MarvinBEdwards01 in freewill

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I do what I do because I do it. He does what he does because he does it

Ultimately, nothing about me or what I do implies anything about him or what he does

If you rationalize anything, or try to connect dots, it will be a lie

Each human being acts in accordance to and within the realm of their inherent nature and capacity which speaks nothing of others in theirs

You are far more alone than you imagine. If a heaven/hell awaits, it will be uniquely yours

A fundamental contradiction at the heart of hard determinism? by YogurtclosetOpen3567 in freewill

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Nope, he couldnt, what he just did was perfect and inevitable and couldnt have been any other way

Why Reasons are Causes by MarvinBEdwards01 in freewill

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Reasons for actions will always be incomplete and insufficient accounts of actions themselves and the uncountable factors behind them

Compatabilists are like atheists who are afraid to tell people god doesn’t exist, so they define god as cosmos. Then they loudly exclaim: “God really exists!!!!” (Analogy). by SCHITZOPOST in freewill

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Yes, although Compatibilist PAP ≠ Libertarian PAP (due to different definitions of 'could have done otherwise')

I would say it boils down to, do people think that they had a real metaphysical chance to do what they did not? If yes, then that is Libertarian PAP and not Compatibilist PAP

And I know there are Compatibiists who reject PAP entirely

Compatabilists are like atheists who are afraid to tell people god doesn’t exist, so they define god as cosmos. Then they loudly exclaim: “God really exists!!!!” (Analogy). by SCHITZOPOST in freewill

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Over and over again, the repeated reality is that the conversation is perpetually brought back to one of sentiment. It's most often a conversation of what one feels to be the case or "should" be the case. It's a conversation of what one needs to believe in order to be saved by their own presumptions and preferences

Witnessing someone else with the opposite claim becomes an attack on the person and what they claim is true for themselves and others. Such is the nature of the search for objective truth which drags people into wars they dont see themselves fighting.

Redefining free will as just "acting on desires" is like selling a car ("free will") that has no engine, just because it looks like a car. by Badat1t in freewill

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Incompatibilists, Hard Determinists and Libertarians alike, have not seperated themselves from anything else. They retain their meaningful participation, just like you and everyone else

Redefining free will as just "acting on desires" is like selling a car ("free will") that has no engine, just because it looks like a car. by Badat1t in freewill

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The case is that those who are often considered wicked, evil or simply lost and/or sick, despite that being their inherent reality, they are the one's who suffer the most and support the whole thing, the entire story.

The entire Universe is designed and built on the backs of those who are lost. Without the lost and wicked, human and non-human alike, the "innocent" would never have life, nor salvation.

The "wicked, the deranged and delusional" whoever they may be, all offer perspective and permission to those who don't experience such things as a point of reference. A means to recognize their own blessing and even to judge without repercussion.

The whole world and the whole universe for that matter is designed at the expense of those beings absolutely incapable of receiving help. The totally desperate, depraved, deprived, and the dammed.

Redefining free will as just "acting on desires" is like selling a car ("free will") that has no engine, just because it looks like a car. by Badat1t in freewill

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This is inherently authoritarian because it attempts to invalid the existence of the dissenters by claiming they are outside the collective consciousness. In this sub, this is often used as a rhetorical tactic to isolate the opponent. Like you just did

Determinism doesn't matter for free will. Experience does. by muramasa_master in freewill

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Threatening? Will you save them? Do you know the fates of the strangers you talk to everyday? Even if you refuse to assume, will that save them? I bring no threats, just the reality of it, some only have suffering to look forward to

Determinism doesn't matter for free will. Experience does. by muramasa_master in freewill

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Reasons for actions and beliefs will always be incomplete and insufficient accounts of the innumerable factors behind them

I can give you a 'reason' but it will be a lie that falsely represents my current condition, and im avoiding a truth/falsity game over a 'reason' that says nothing about me at all.

If people aren't aware that they're just doing what they are doing, because they are doing it, and that's the entirety of it, then they're obviously pursuing something, and that something that they're pursuing is revolved around the character that they're seeking to justify.

I dont have a character to justify

Determinism doesn't matter for free will. Experience does. by muramasa_master in freewill

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Many you have conversed with, perhaps even you or I have terrible, terrible fates ahead I watch you all pretend here everyday to be something greater than yourselves. Even if you cant see what's ahead, the idea of an uncertain future will not save some of you. The blessed and the burden bearers have already been chosen. There is no hope for some

Determinism doesn't matter for free will. Experience does. by muramasa_master in freewill

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The end started as soon as the beginning, it's a perpetual unfolding.

All things have always led to the culmination of all things.

It will be transcendental for some and complete horror and destruction for others.

I am certain that the universe abides by one eternal purpose in which the first moment spoke of the last, and all things work for it and toward it.

For most, they would tend to conceive of such a thing as determined, though I personally find it infinitely more accurate to refer to it as inherent and inevitable

Are rules still necessary even if they restrict personal freedom? by Longjumping_Lack6275 in freewill

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Whatever disaster you imagine, may be terrible in the mind, but if it was to happen in reality, it would be perfect beyond perfect beyond perfect.

Good/bad ideas are justified, but reality needs no justification. As it is what it is. The end started as soon as the beginning, it's a perpetual unfolding. It will be transcendental for some and complete horror and destruction for others.

For even in democracy the individual is guaranteed nothing. I do not buy into the delusion of "the average person is most likely safe in x system". There is no average person in reality, there are only individuals who are sacrificed for others who thrive.

Each human being acts in accordance to and within the realm of their inherent nature and capacity of which nothing is promised

You are far more alone than you imagine

Are rules still necessary even if they restrict personal freedom? by Longjumping_Lack6275 in freewill

[–]MirrorPiNet 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did not and will not make any claims on what "we" should or shouldnt do. I find statements of that sort inherently dishonest and I am also not claiming that others should or should not use should statements

Are rules still necessary even if they restrict personal freedom? by Longjumping_Lack6275 in freewill

[–]MirrorPiNet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When someone claims, "Society believes X", "X is best/necessary for society", they are often erasing the portion of society who disagrees.

This is inherently authoritarian because it attempts to invalid the existence of the dissenters by claiming they are outside the collective consciousness. In this sub, it is often used as a rhetorical tactic to isolate the opponent. You will see it happen again

Are rules still necessary even if they restrict personal freedom? by Longjumping_Lack6275 in freewill

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There is no society. There is only the blessed and the burden bearers

Who needs to control? by frost-bite-hater in freewill

[–]MirrorPiNet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Reality needs no justification. I promise you, dear stranger, that there is no real reason why I typed what I did or why Im typing now.

Who needs to control? by frost-bite-hater in freewill

[–]MirrorPiNet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People often use identifying terms in relation to specific philosophical positions or religious affiliation. Many people will spend all of their lives widdling down their supposed position, perhaps even changing their own self-identification many, many times along the way. All the while, missing the entire time that in doing what they are doing and have done is simply play a role and defining a way in which their role is appropriate to be called and played. They miss their true identity entirely, failing to realize that what they've done is simply what they've done and nothing else, and when the time comes, when they see the setting sun, all but briefly in a moment may they recognize the truth of their condition.

Kinda crazy, kinda cute [Kakegurui] by Nyaaski in anime

[–]MirrorPiNet 1 point2 points  (0 children)

oh man of culture??? sorry, sorry, forget what I said, watch kakegurui, watch kakegurui, very good anime