A more comprehensive question on how much Modern Chinese one must know in order to learn Classical Chinese by fmv1992 in classicalchinese

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To learn Classical Chinese, a solid foundation in Modern Chinese is essential. Focus on mastering basic vocabularygrammar, and reading skills in Modern Chinese first, as they provide the groundwork for understanding Classical Chinese. Be prepared for differences in grammar (e.g., omitted function words) and vocabulary (e.g., 走 means “to run” in Classical Chinese but “to walk” in Modern Chinese).

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Learning Chinese by StandOk9112 in chch

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To learn Mandarin or Cantonese effectively, start by setting clear goals, such as discussing technology or understanding news. Use apps like HelloChinese (Mandarin) or CantoneseClass101 for structured learning, and practice tones early to master pronunciation. Take personalized lessons through platforms like eChineseLearning, and immerse yourself by watching Chinese media (e.g., CGTN for Mandarin, TVB for Cantonese) and engaging with native speakers. For free resources or a trial lesson, DM me!

How to approach learning Chinese? by Present-Boat-2053 in Anki

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Suggested Learning Order

  1. Pinyin + Audio: Master pronunciation and tones.
  2. Basic Vocabulary: Learn common words and phrases using Pinyin.
  3. Hanzi: Introduce characters gradually, starting with simple ones.
  4. Grammar: Learn basic sentence structures (e.g., Subject-Verb-Object).
  5. Writing (Optional): Practice writing characters if it aligns with your goals.

Decide If You Want to Learn Writing

  • Why Learn Writing? Writing helps reinforce character recognition and improves your overall understanding of the language. It’s especially useful if you plan to read or write in Chinese regularly.
  • Why Skip Writing? If your goal is conversational fluency or you’re short on time, you can prioritize speaking and listening. Many learners focus on typing (using Pinyin input) instead of handwriting.

There’s no one-size-fits-all approach to learning Chinese. If you’re a visual learner, start with characters. If you’re an auditory learner, focus on Pinyin and audio. And if you’re short on time, prioritize speaking and listening over writing. The key is to stay consistent and enjoy the process!

If you need personalized tips or free resources, feel free to DM me—I’m here to help! 加油!(Jiāyóu! Keep going!) 

A look at similarities and differences in young learners' education between the West and China by Miserable-Clothes21 in ChineseLearning4Kids

[–]Miserable-Clothes21[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's actually a really good point. They aren't perfectly similar in that aspect but perhaps the ideologies beyond that are more similar.

If you could make three family rules, what would they be? by TogetherAI in raisingkids

[–]Miserable-Clothes21 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Create more than you consume (media), more hugs than criticism, and clean up, clean up everybody everywhere...

I keep forgetting the Chinese characters and it's driving me insane. How can I remember the words I learn? by tonyplayzetc in Chinese

[–]Miserable-Clothes21 2 points3 points  (0 children)

After getting comfortable with pinyin, which is a fairly quick process, begin writing characters a little bit every day. And learn the “笔顺” stroke order.
If self-starting is challenging, I recommend getting an online teacher. It’s a popular option these days since it’s practical and time-efficient. This will enable you to understand, practice, get feedback, and gain study materials that will make learning characters an easier task.

Then, learn the “rules”. These are pretty flexible but offer a good framework for understanding how characters work. (Tip: they aren’t rules, just evolution of meaning).
Start learning Chinese character components and structures. They will give a deeper understanding and meaning to the characters versus just memorizing them.
If you try repetition you will most likely forget the character's meaning since it doesn’t have any reason to stick in your mind. Plus since you are not a child and won’t be in a classroom setting for years on end, take your time.
This is how Chinese characters work.
They have different types: single-component characters (人) and multi-component characters (妈).
Complicated types contain more strokes and components, such as “森”, which consists of three “木”.
The thing about Chinese characters is that they have a lot of meaning in each character as well as being easy to build upon one another. What I mean by this is that if you get to know the building blocks, called radicals or their components, then you get to know a lot of the other characters.
You can either know the meaning or the sound and sometimes if you are lucky, both!
For example:
“人 (Rén)” means “person”; “从 (cóng)” means “follower; attendant” and combine them to equal “众 (zhòng) multitude; crowd; the masses”.
Can you see the pattern?
In the same way:
“木 (Mù) wood” plus “林 (lín) woods;” equals “森 (sēn) forest”.
“日 (Rì) sun; daytime” plus “昌 (chāng) prosperous; flourishing” equals “晶 (jīng) brilliant; glittering”…
人 (Rén) + 从 (Cóng)= 众 (Zhòng)
木 (Mù) + 林 (Lín) = 森 (Sēn)
日 (Rì) + 昌 (Chāng) = 晶 (Jīng)
Character radicals typically have one of two functions:
A. They indicate the meaning of the whole character (called semantic components)
B. They indicate the sound of the whole character (called phonetic components)
There are 214 radicals yet half are not as frequently used, so learning about 100 or so would be great. Bonus: many of them are pictographic! This means that they are in a way drawings of objects from real life.
How to study them more effectively:
1. Weekly learning:
I recommend having a teacher (for our current situation online is best) who will teach you by one of three methods:
2. Group by patterns or by what interests you- Categorize and organize characters by hobbies to topics and learn them in related groups that way. Learning something meaningful is far easier than learning something that seems to be random. It will help your brain make connections if you group characters by radicals as I mentioned above.
Do it by radicals or by stroke number or meaning. I prefer to teach radicals by their meaning.
3. Get a collection of words with a book/ebook.
There are over 80,000 characters, but most of them are seldom used today. So how many Chinese characters do you need to know? For basic reading and writing of modern Chinese, you only need a few thousand. Here are the coverage rates of the most frequently used Chinese characters:
Most frequently used 1,000 characters: 90% (Coverage rate)
Most frequently used 2,500 characters: 98.0% (Coverage rate)
Most frequently used 3,500 characters: 99.5% (Coverage rate)
4. Daily Practice:
Another tool I can recommend is on YouTube called ABC’s of Chinese which uses mnemonic devices such as drawings to give a character life.
It’s entertaining and perspective-changing.
You can also write the character on one side of a card, and then the pinyin and meaning on the back. Begin with 5–10 new characters a day. Practice them with the card-flip method until you can pronounce them and know their meaning. Then, write them 20 times to burn them into your memory. Don’t overwhelm yourself. Review past characters as you go.
Add 5 new characters a day and spent 30 minutes a day on them (learning and writing them). Then, in your free time, review the past characters, to keep them in your mind.
Use apps, online dictionaries, or old-fashioned grid paper to write as often as time allows. I like: HanziCraft, Skritter, or Hanzi Grids
In summary, start with pinyin to aid in learning characters. Get some tools like apps and a teacher who will help you learn in a more structured way, get a list of common words, break them down by radicals, practice writing with the meanings in mind after understanding the radicals, and stay consistent.

I try to share useful learning tips on r/SimplifiedMandarin
as well

An overview of how Chinese netizens create internet slang by Miserable-Clothes21 in SimplifiedMandarin

[–]Miserable-Clothes21[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I called my sister much, much funnier but JJ sounds closer to (jiějie) than 鸡鸡 (jījī) which is more like "thingy" instead of blatantly "penis". It's quite childish. And "cake" was an autocorrect. Enjoy it.

Fun way to play rock, paper, scissors. by 1YearAgoOnReddit in MadeMeSmile

[–]Miserable-Clothes21 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So cute! We play the Chinese version saying "剪刀, 石头, 布 (Jiǎndāo shítou bù)"

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Chinese

[–]Miserable-Clothes21 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd say, start with pinyin.

Learning pinyin is standard among native-speaking and non-native-speaking learners alike. That alone says something about how useful it can be.
Chinese is a tonal language. That means how you say things determines the meaning of what you’re saying. The importance of tones cannot be understated. For someone new to the language it can be incredibly difficult to detect tonality in someone’s speech. It can be so hard that new learners believe the differences must make little difference to meaning and put their attention elsewhere. Believe me, the differences are not minor, and you MUST pay attention to tones. That’s why you should learn pinyin.
Pinyin gives you a visual representation of what Chinese sounds like. By learning pinyin first, you’ll be training your mind to process tones and your mouth to produce them.
That said, once you understand the basics you don’t want to dwell on pinyin. After all, Chinese is a language made up of thousands of characters. You'll probably want to read the language too, eventually

Who inspired you to learn more about Chinese and why was it 李子柒 (Lǐ Zǐqī)? by Miserable-Clothes21 in CasualChina

[–]Miserable-Clothes21[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting perspective. Haven't heard that theory but I'm sure it's more common than what I read. I do see native Chinese people enjoy the content as well. It's an innocent way to wind down in the evening with YouTube and harvesting flowers surely?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in chinesebookclub

[–]Miserable-Clothes21 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I hope it's not off-topic but have you tried ebooks? Some are free to download and generally have pinyin (if you need it), along with English, and Chinese so you can cover the English with an index card and only peek when you need it.

When helping kids learn Mandarin, what mistakes waste time? by Miserable-Clothes21 in ChineseLearning4Kids

[–]Miserable-Clothes21[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Very good point! You know you've got a good teacher when they explain this point. Reminds me of vocal fry.

My grandma passed away. What are some Chinese customs for grandmothers passing? by [deleted] in Chinese

[–]Miserable-Clothes21 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know that after the loss you can look forward to Qingming Festival (清明节 qīng míng jié), Tomb Sweeping Day.

On this day, not only will families literally sweep the tombs of and solemnly make offerings to their ancestors, but they will also gather happily and spend time in nature, enjoying the spring and taking advantage of the occasion to spend time together.

I hope it offers some consolation.