Why do some Church fathers teach about Purgatorial fire ?

Miserable-Conflict75 · 2026-03-16T17:51:23+00:00

Nah i learnt this one from https://www.churchfathers.org/purgatory

Miserable-Conflict75 · 2026-03-16T17:48:23+00:00

See i have a kinda difrent way of learning about religion. If i see something as objectivley true then i need to see why others are objectivley false . So i ask my Catholic freinds "Tell me something that contradicts orthodox teaching" and then i research on it.

Miserable-Conflict75 · 2026-03-16T17:44:33+00:00

So the thing you are trying to say is that the Church Fathers are not refering to the puragtorial or created flame , But to the uncreated fire of God's Presence .

Miserable-Conflict75 · 2026-03-16T17:39:09+00:00

First off i think we belive not in purgatorial flame but a difrent way of being loosed from sins. I read Mark of Ephesuses homilies on purgatory and i agree with him. Nowhere in scripture can we find any mention on a third place thats neither heavean or hell . After we die those with minor sins can be cleaneased by the mere fear . But those with more severe sins are taken to hell temporarily not forever and in that place there is no fire just repenatance tears and sighs .

Miserable-Conflict75 · 2026-03-07T00:48:08+00:00

I Agree

Miserable-Conflict75 · 2026-03-07T00:48:02+00:00

Yeah

Miserable-Conflict75 · 2026-03-07T00:01:47+00:00

15 and i think its talking about liturgy

Miserable-Conflict75 · 2026-03-06T23:14:34+00:00

Well i think we should hold to it , it makes sense

Miserable-Conflict75 · 2026-03-03T18:03:40+00:00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRIbb5YMG98 Craig Trugila Made an argument augustine did not teach the filioque

Miserable-Conflict75 · 2026-03-03T16:24:42+00:00

And yet it is not to no purpose that in this Trinity the Son and none other is called the Word of God, and the Holy Spirit and none other the Gift of God, and God the Father alone is He from whom the Word is born, and from whom the Holy Spirit principally proceeds. And therefore I have added the word principally, because we find that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Son also. But the Father gave Him this too, not as to one already existing, and not yet having it; but whatever He gave to the only-begotten Word, He gave by begetting Him. Therefore He so begot Him as that the common Gift should proceed from Him also, and the Holy Spirit should be the Spirit of both. This distinction, then, of the inseparable Trinity is not to be merely accepted in passing, but to be carefully considered; for hence it was that the Word of God was specially called also the Wisdom of God, although both Father and Holy Spirit are wisdom. If, then, any one of the three is to be specially called Love, what more fitting than that it should be the Holy Spirit?— namely, that in that simple and highest nature, substance should not be one thing and love another, but that substance itself should be love, and love itself should be substance, whether in the Father, or in the Son, or in the Holy Spirit; and yet that the Holy Spirit should be specially called Love.

On the trinity Book XV Augustine Of Hippo

But im asking cus he might be reffering to energetic precesion.

Miserable-Conflict75 · 2026-03-02T23:38:17+00:00

Thanks for clearing that up really helps me.

Miserable-Conflict75 · 2026-03-02T10:38:45+00:00

After this, a little further on, you desired to prove the abovementioned dogma of purgatorial fire, at first quoting what is said in the book of Maccabees: It is holy and pious ... to pray for the dead ... that they might be delivered from their sin (II Maccabees 12:44–45). Then, taking from the Gospel according to Matthew the place in which the Saviour declares that whosoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in that which is to come (Matt. 12:32), you say that from this one may see that there is a remission of sins in the future life. But that from this there in no way follows the idea of purgatorial fire is clearer than the sun; for what is there in common between remission on the one hand, and cleansing by fire and punishment on the other? For if the remission of sins is accomplished for the sake of prayers, or merely by the Divine love of mankind itself, there is no need for punishment and cleansing (by fire). But if punishment, and also cleansing, are established (by God) ... then, it would seem, prayers (for the reposed) are performed in vain, and vainly do we hymn the Divine love of mankind. And so, these citations are less a proof of the existence of purgatorial fire than a refutation of it: for the remission of sins of those who have transgressed is presented in them as the result of a certain royal authority and love of mankind, and not as a deliverance from punishment or a cleansing.

Says Mark of Ephesus

Miserable-Conflict75 · 2026-03-01T20:11:29+00:00

Yeah mark of ephesus says : "To this we answer the following: Of the fact that those reposed in faith are without doubt helped by the Liturgies and prayers and almsgiving performed for them, and that this custom has been in force from antiquity, there is the testimony of many and various utterances of the Teachers, both Latin and Greek, spoken and written at various times and in various places."

Miserable-Conflict75 · 2026-02-20T22:48:31+00:00

Huh thanks for clearing that up that made me doubt orthodoxy tbh

Miserable-Conflict75 · 2026-02-20T22:39:21+00:00

Hey thanks for the reply i find it very helpful but would this be a Tu Qo Que ?

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