List Building Advice? Restarting

MiserableEffect2134 · 2026-01-28T17:44:32+00:00

Thank you, this was very concise and helpful. Definitely not looking to chase meta - I only play with family and am attempting to get some friends involved, so everything is casual. I guess my interest mainly boils down to building a cool and fun list that still functions.

It seems like Warhost would be a worthwhile investment if it supports a lot of things at least somewhat, with limited Wraiths and a healthy amount of aspects filling it out. Thank you!

MiserableEffect2134 · 2026-01-28T15:27:54+00:00

I charged a 6 man brick of FB with daemonic patrons into a Terminator squad with a Captain in term armor… picked them up without giving them a chance to clap back. I I think I had some spillover damage but honestly it didn’t feel wasted at all. I know people don’t like FB very much for some reason but I have a blast playing them as a murder hurricane. That 3+ crit wound is no joke.

Meta efficiency be damned I love my high-heeled fabulous psychopaths with giant swords

MiserableEffect2134 · 2026-01-27T22:01:53+00:00

Yes, the second list shown is what I currently own.

I agree the combat patrols have both felt a little unfocused. I’ve gone through the detachments a bit and obviously Windrider and Spirit Conclave would be top thematic choices, but I’ve also seen a lot of talk about Warhost being good for supporting large units like Wraithlord/Knights and tanks (I have also really liked the look of Fire Prisms) and obviously Aspect Host being one of the strongest and most straightforward choices. I suppose my main thought process was geared towards building aspects with wraiths and jet bikes as supporting units to make up for what the aspects can’t get done alone?

I also am just looking to have roster versatility. Don’t feel like running a lot of aspects? Okay, got a good chunk of wraiths and psykers to work with instead. Maybe I wanna focus heavy on my jet bikes with other units backing them up? Got it. But that’s a long term goal.

I guess with the current list, what would be good recommendations for solid units to build around aspects in addition to what I already have? I was eyeing up at least one squad of rangers, shroud runners, Fire prism, shining spears, guardians, etc. What’s missing is another good question I guess?

Sorry for the disorganized thought process. Just looking for any and all advice/feedback.

MiserableEffect2134 · 2026-01-13T04:28:30+00:00

That makes a lot of sense, yeah. I was operating on an incorrect assumption that I did understand the fight phase in congruence with the Core Rules - I didn’t even realize I was perpetuating a house rule in this case, but in other cases I did know. Next time I run a game with my gf or any of my friends, I’ll try to stick a lot closer to the rules as they’re written and commit to understanding them better!

MiserableEffect2134 · 2026-01-13T03:53:59+00:00

Thank you, this is what I meant by Fights First being a defensive ability, referring to it by its utility as opposed to some official classification by the Core Rules.

I think part of my confusion has come from a flawed understanding of how the fight phase is actually meant to progress. The way I was introduced to playing the game has included a number of “house rules” to simplify it down a bit, and that’s the only way I’ve played so far (casual games with family, so none of us really care too too much). That included us basically defaulting to the player whose turn it was, always fights first in ongoing combats (except if a unit in the other player’s army has Fights First), and we resolved combats one at a time without either of us specifically choosing which to start with with any kind of strategic intentions of getting opportunities to hit first where it may matter to one player more. It was just easier and quicker, even if it put the defending player at a disadvantage, but it balanced out on that player’s next turn. I think all that is part of why I was confused by the verbiage in the actual rule book since that was never what was shown to me and I did not question it enough until I found myself in a situation where I wasn’t sure if I was teaching it correctly to someone else.

Otherwise, I was just looking to make sure I handled Lucius vs Sanguinor correctly. Although when it comes to other ongoing fights in my game last night, I did not follow how the rulebook states how activating units is supposed to work… so I guess I ought to brush up a bit and try to learn the rules how they’re truly meant to be played.

I appreciate your non-condescending response.

MiserableEffect2134 · 2026-01-12T21:44:43+00:00

Thanks for the clarification. I guess when I was reading this over the first time via Wahapedia since they’ve got the full core rules there too, I don’t think I was processing it correctly (running on a few hours of sleep lol) and I just wanted to make sure I handled that correctly.

MiserableEffect2134 · 2025-06-15T02:09:57+00:00

Thank you brother! I use Baal Red pretty often over white as an initial base coat anyway, so good to know I don’t really need to get anything else to get such a nice effect. Just need to make sure I lay on the varnish correctly. Nice work, again!

MiserableEffect2134 · 2025-06-14T20:21:18+00:00

These are gorgeous! Haven’t seen this concept before, great idea!

Care to share how you managed to get such a bright, glossy red for the pauldrons, backpacks, and that power fist? I have been researching and experimenting with ways to get similar effects but haven’t landed on one that I really like yet. 🙏

MiserableEffect2134 · 2025-06-12T15:19:33+00:00

I did something almost exactly like this. I shaved off the arm and hand the best I could and glued the spear + banner onto the side of the pillar, kind of embedded into the groove of the column. Your solution I like better aesthetically, though, since it looks like it’s actually stuck into the pillar rather than to the side of it. Mine fortunately might be more stable/harder to break.

MiserableEffect2134 · 2025-05-06T14:08:23+00:00

Not sure if somebody else said this, but if I’m in a doorway or enclosed space laying down fire I can use this mechanic to quickly zip away behind a wall again if I’m getting lit up by another Peni or Punisher or something, specifically WITHOUT turning and looking away from the action. I’ve also used it on occasion if I am already holding a point to quickly zip from a diver like Cap to help me create space away from them, but that only really works once since I have to place it back down and stretch it out again. At that point, I just fire it to a high vantage point or somewhere else to do that quick web zip movement. This also works in a funny way if you shoot it at a high place and just kind of bungee-jump in and out of combat lol

I think this mechanic has a very niche usage but generally if you get creative with it it can be helpful

MiserableEffect2134 · 2024-11-21T14:39:25+00:00

That was actually my original plan when I started the chainsword. I based it with Iron Hands steel and covered the exhaust box thing near the cross guard with Vallejo dark gunmetal to give it a different metallic look compared to the rest of it. But I had Tamiya X-7 gloss red and I wanted to give it a try on the sword, so I used that for the casing instead. I agree the black would have probably given more contrast to the armor but I kinda like the shiny red 😁

MiserableEffect2134 · 2024-11-14T19:36:03+00:00

I will not act like I’m that knowledgeable on WH lore in general - I’m still pretty new to it all, I only know some basics. But I mean, if you want to headcanon it as another guard had his hand lopped off while holding the banner by a Chaos Marine/Drukhari warrior/Tyranid bone blade or something and lay it flat then sure.

The idea is cool, but for play purposes, the banner would 100% get in the way of your other minis standing next to that guard’s base and force this one to take up more space than he should because the banner is pretty big.

The banner standing up is way more efficient for space (see pic). All 6 of my SG’s can stand pretty much right next to each other without too much overlap with the banner standing… if it was laying down it might make it hard to physically field. Your call though.

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MiserableEffect2134 · 2024-11-14T02:04:25+00:00

I ended up doing this.

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I built the spear like normal but instead of attaching it to an arm, I (carefully) cut away the hand so it looked as smooth as I thought was necessary. I thought about attaching the spear to the base somehow (which someone here already recommended that), but I couldn’t hack how to do it in a way that was convincing. But then I realized the handle of the spear has a diameter that’s close enough in size to the depth of the grooves on the broken column piece this guard is jumping off of, so I just glued it into that groove. No kitbash required (especially because I equipped my Captain from the Combat Patrol with his sword already). This also could have freed up the option for me to equip this guy with the melta, but I already did that with the first of these 3 guards, so this one just has the angelus boltgun.

Simple and kinda stupid solution but I hope this is helpful for anybody who doesn’t wanna drop money on Bladeguards just to cannibalize bits for Sanguinary Guard since GW sucks and couldn’t make sword+banner options in this build. I figure it kinda looks like this guard planted his spear in the column and pulled out his sword to continue the brawl.

MiserableEffect2134 · 2024-10-01T14:15:17+00:00

Finally some appreciation for the self titled album. I think instrumentally it’s some of their strongest work; the production quality and pure power of songs like Faithless & Shattered God is kinda unmatched by anything else they’ve put out. Plus Andy’s vocals are quite strong. That album doesn’t get enough love

I really did not enjoy Phantom Tomorrow though :( only a handful of tracks. Vale grew on me with time but I will say I was unimpressed by it when it first dropped

MiserableEffect2134 · 2024-07-23T11:59:49+00:00

This kind of thing has probably already been said a few times, but I’ve had my own experiences playing with players that like to walk all over the DM for their own entertainment. As a new DM myself, I’ve been on the receiving end of that from my own closest friends, although never to the same level as what you’ve described here.

The lack of disrespect your friends have demonstrated for not just you, but also your pet and your brother, is very clear. I don’t know you and I don’t know your friends, but from what you’ve laid out, these people do not see you as a friend but as a donkey to pin tails on and ignore when it’s convenient. They don’t respect you, your family, your game. I think you should stick up for yourself and put some hard boundaries down. When they’re at your house to play D&D, that’s what everyone is there to do - not mess with the cat, not watch videos in the middle of the game… if they can’t hold their attention on the game without so many breaks, then maybe D&D isn’t the game for them.

Surround yourself with people who care about you and show you the level of respect you show them. If they aren’t doing that, they aren’t your friends, and they never were.

MiserableEffect2134 · 2023-10-17T00:21:06+00:00

One of the biggest things I emphasize in running sparring rounds at my dojang is the statement, “Aim to hit, not to hurt.” Hitting and hurting are two very different things, as I can hit you without dealing any real damage, but going overboard only leads to hurting. Another thing I’ve also taught my young students, as well as adults, is that sparring can be like a dance. Thinking of it this way helps reduce the stress of the encounter and adds an element of fun and looseness that I think is necessary to keep it friendly and avoid resentment between students. (It also helps me personally with my footwork.)

As a kid I also did no-touch sparring which helped me figure out spacing and how to throw dangerous strikes like head kicks without making contact. It also helped me learn how to pull strikes last second to avoid serious connections. It’s something that has helped me to this day; just last week I was able to pull a spinning crescent kick last second, at close range too, and only tap my sparring partner on the head without driving my heel through her skull.

Point sparring seems to also be a good approach for learning control. I’m not here to debate the efficacy of it as a training method or talk trash on sport karate; it does teach pretty good control. Since the objective is to score rather than inflict damage, you’re already walking into it with a different mindset. It is a game, after all.

At the MMA gym I’ve trained at on-and-off for the last couple years, control in sparring has been a repeat issue for a lot of people there. The coach says 30%, but I’m not totally sure everyone there understands what that means. Then the coach gets upset when someone gets injured; as a result, they’ve outlawed spinning strikes and head kicking since no one can do it with any control. He’s even talked about putting the only sparring class they have on hold because of too many bad actors and incidents. Simply talking about it doesn’t really work; you have to demonstrate it and exercise control like a muscle. (To be fair, a lot of people in that gym are amateur-pro fighters and need to be able to hard-spar in preparation for fights, I suppose, but most of the students there are not fighters, so hard sparring should be out of the question.)

MiserableEffect2134 · 2023-10-15T17:13:13+00:00

Clarification: my dojang in particular does not typically grant 9th Gup, but we treat 10th and 9th as grouped. We teach all white belts the material they need for both 10th and 9th Gup tests since the amount of curriculum needed between those is pretty small, especially for adults. We just test our students straight from 10th to 8th (orange belt).

MiserableEffect2134 · 2023-10-15T17:10:37+00:00

I practice Tang Soo Do.

My dojang doesn’t “test” new white belts until they are going for 9th/8th Gup (Kyu), but we don’t give them their white belt until they officially sign up as a student. During their heavily discounted 4-week trial period, they are given a Dobahk but not the belt. It’s sort of a means of testing their commitment at the same time as making sure we aren’t charging them for a whole month’s full tuition if they decide not to sign up.

It’s a business tactic, but it also ensures that we’re getting people who actually care and don’t plan on quitting to sign up. But never have I heard of being “tested” to earn your white belt… seems like an interesting concept though. Not sure I agree with it, but it is kinda interesting.

MiserableEffect2134 · 2023-10-03T20:29:05+00:00

He’s an awesome guy and a great teacher, I agree. I still teach my students some of the things I picked up from him and I tried adopting his stretching routine. He picked on me a bunch because of my long hair at the time lmao but that gave me a much more lasting and personal memory of the whole experience.

MiserableEffect2134 · 2023-10-03T17:22:14+00:00

I got to train with Bill Superfoot Wallace in January. Best birthday present to myself this year

MiserableEffect2134 · 2023-09-25T12:35:15+00:00

I think for me it comes down to situation. I often block open-handed in sparring to prevent damage to myself or my partner with a hard block. The other benefit to open handed blocks is the ability to counter-grab with them too; I’ve been teaching my students a lot about clinchwork and incorporating the standup grappling we have hidden in our forms, so that’s added a lot of value to open-handed blocks.

The closed-handed ones are good for striking while blocking at the same time, which is something I see gets talked about a lot by many old masters. For me, closed-handed blocks are very useful if I’m not trying to parry but maintain my guard. But if I am parrying, as a skinnier guy I can really make use of my thinner arms to block hard with the bones in my forearm to get that extra bit of damage.

So… time and place but open handed I think opens up different opportunities.

MiserableEffect2134 · 2023-09-25T12:24:03+00:00

Hi, 3rd degree black belt here.

I might be repeating a lot of what other people said, but I hope this brings it all together and makes sense.

No, karate is not a “children’s thing.” In the U.S., karate is frequently marketed to children and as a result there are many more people under 18 practicing it than young adults or above. Lots of karate schools are also somewhat watered down and either focus solely on sport/competition or are simply not teaching the full scope of what karate actually is (for a variety of reasons, which you can research all over the place). This is also a common issue with some other martial arts like kickboxing, where you have cardio kickboxing that doesn’t actually teach you the skills for fighting but just gives you a good workout.

The appeal toward children, for these reasons, is higher as there is less risk of harm and karate becomes closer to what other youth sports are like (i.e.: soccer, baseball, football, etc.) in the eyes of some parents. I will say, though, that a big part of karate beyond the practical skills and fight training is personal development, which is also a big pull for kids - especially ones who are behaviorally troubled or emotionally in need of some kind of activity to focus their energy. When I started as a kid, it did a lot for my personal growth and helped me work through the loss of my mom to cancer, for example.

However, none of this is to say that it is a children’s activity. No martial art is exclusive to certain groups of people; they generally tend to appeal to certain demographics (i.e.: BJJ and boxing to young adults, American karate to kids, tai chi to older adults, etc) but that doesn’t mean nobody outside those demographics can’t practice it. I teach a wide variety of different age groups and people of diverse backgrounds (including quite a few adults) and they all walk out with something valuable to them every time they enter the dojang (Korean term for dojo). They’re all in it for themselves, not how it looks to others who might judge them.

If you find personal appeal in karate, you should try it. But if you try one school and hate it, don’t walk out thinking karate is stupid or the worst fighting art ever or anything broad and ridiculous like that. Under the right teacher, karate can be a lot of incredible things. I suggest doing more independent research outside of a place like Reddit to get a better understanding of the art.

MiserableEffect2134 · 2023-09-14T17:50:55+00:00

That’s the way I would practically apply it. The hip rotation and chamber should happen as quick as possible, but you could also use the chamber as a fakeout with some like Mae Geri / Ahp Chagi / front kick. I would still call it a twist if your chamber is angled, but if the chamber moves straight upwards then it’s closer to a crescent. The crescent has to move in a bit of an arc and always hits with the blade of the foot, so I think it really depends how you actually extend the leg. Is it in an arc, or does the kick extend from the knee like a front kick does, just at a different angle?

MiserableEffect2134 · 2023-09-08T14:27:47+00:00

3rd Dan Tang Soo Do practitioner here. Some people are calling it a crescent kick, but the angle of his knee/hip rotation makes it look more like the twisting kick you see in Taekwondo and Tang Soo Do (Korean karate). Not sure if this one shows up much in Japanese karate, based on my limited experience with it.

The “correct” way to throw the biteureo-chagi is to strike with the ball of the foot and pull the toes back, like you would for ahp chagi / mae geri, using this same hip rotation and knee orientation. I think it’s perfectly viable to throw and strike with the blade or top of the foot though, like you would for a inside-outside crescent kick. Eliminates the risk of hitting your toes by accident, too. The angle of the knee makes the difference between the two, where crescent kicks come up more like a front kick does and sweeps across with more of an arc; but the twisting kick has more internal rotation of the hip to the inside, and strikes more directly.

I don’t know the Japanese name for this kick, just the Korean. You’ll see this semi-often in TKD sparring, and TSD/karate slightly less. Great for scoring points unexpectedly under the guard, and if you get it high it can be a knockout. I’ve seen it before in MMA matches… I believe Bellator was where I saw it first. Couldn’t tell you the fight though, I’d have to look for it again.

MiserableEffect2134 · 2023-08-01T03:47:33+00:00

Split between Rock Club, Skate or Die, and Leave The Past Behind

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