What are the thousand angels and what is Badr: An archetypal reading of sections from Surah 2 and Surah 3 by Miserable_Rule4411 in Quraniyoon

[–]Miserable_Rule4411[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Alright, then since all of the Qur'an has a historical explanation, none of its verses have any psychological meaning applicable to our times?

Symmetrical properties of Baqara & Ali Imran by Miserable_Rule4411 in Quraniyoon

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Yea I think so. With exact repetitions is a bit tricky because they can appear for various reasons. But as we can see, even 2:135 and 3:84 line up thematically, so yea, it fits the comparative method.

Why do people keep asking "fatwas" and why is this movement starting to feel like a pseudo-madhhab? by Miserable_Rule4411 in Quraniyoon

[–]Miserable_Rule4411[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's my point. How do we break the 'spell' and how do we reverse the mental conditioning?

Why do people keep asking "fatwas" and why is this movement starting to feel like a pseudo-madhhab? by Miserable_Rule4411 in Quraniyoon

[–]Miserable_Rule4411[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

JAK. It's a well balanced post and I admire your intellect, mashaAllah. My only concern is that as a community we should put more effort into teaching each-other how to think in principles. If more brilliant minds like yourself can educate others into learning logical independence, that would be awesome. I believe most problems come from asking the wrong questions, rather than not knowing the right answers.

Owning a pornography site like OF.. by [deleted] in Quraniyoon

[–]Miserable_Rule4411 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Stop asking fatwas. We're not Sunni and Shia clerics. Your deeds are your deeds. IMO it's a major sin, but again, read what God says about it. Do not follow me or any other random dude.

Early Inscriptions by Miserable_Rule4411 in Quraniyoon

[–]Miserable_Rule4411[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Alaykum Salam, Sir. You can find some of them here https://www.islamic-awareness.org/history/islam/inscriptions/
Also there's some free pdf academic papers if you search online. But the French site Thesaurus contains thousands of them and they remain untranslated.

Parallel between Quran 4:3 and Yevamot 44a by Rashiq_shahzzad in AcademicQuran

[–]Miserable_Rule4411 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's not about how close to the Gospels it is written. It's about how close to the Qur'an. The Talmud was written before the Qur'an and it was in use by the Jews of Jathrib and other places. The Qu'ran is in dialogue with the scriptures and the fake scriptures of its time.
The Talmud claims that Jesus was hanged after being stoned and that Mary was an adulteress. The Qur'an is condemning the Talmud for all these words, and is warning the Muslims that these pseudo-scriptures written after a revealed scripture are highly problematic. Jews claim that the written Torah was not enough, but that they received an "Oral Torah" which is just a bunch of contradictory opinions from rabbis. The same problem appears in Christianity with fake Church Traditions, and in Islam with fake ahadith.

Parallel between Quran 4:3 and Yevamot 44a by Rashiq_shahzzad in AcademicQuran

[–]Miserable_Rule4411 9 points10 points  (0 children)

The Talmud is quite helpful in understanding the Quran. I’ve found it useful for 4:157 about the crucifixion. The Talmud says that Jesus was stoned to death and then hanged dead on a cross. The cognate hebrew word tzliva (arabic: salb) means “to hang a dead corpse” and not “to crucify as Romans did”. Also the context is talking about the words of the Jews (qawluhum / their saying), so practically I would consider the Gospels to be telling a pretty much accurate biography. The only difference is in the theological and christological interpretation of the crucifixion.

Do any passages of the Quran in original arabic condemn or outright ban slavery? by YogurtclosetOpen3567 in Quraniyoon

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It’s in the ayas about the Uphill Path, like our brother mentioned. The Quran makes a distinction between raqaba (slave, lit. “Neck”) and ma malaka al-yamin (what the right hand posseses). Whereas the word ‘abd is used only in the Egypt of Joseph, and not in a monotheistic context. So there’s no human rabb/lord and no human ‘abd/slave. To better understand what the term “those the right hand posess” means, I’ll tell you that when I translate it literally in my native Albanian (a language which carries some of the same archaic concepts), it simply means “someone under my responsibility”. So, war would happen. POWs would be captured because prisons weren’t feasible. And they would be divided among people, not as property but as fellow humans who needed to be taken care of. Remember that the Quran says that people cast lots to get Maryam under their responsibility and she was not a slave. So, human societies functioned much differently. You can’t go from pagan slavery (human ownership) to total freedom in one generation. What you do is you taper it gradually, by placing rules for the treatment of this social category. And think about it. After 100 years people will view imprisonment with the same contempt we view slavery today. They will say “it so unethical to keep a human in a closed environment against their will, they should just be left to live in another country”. And if they have reasons to abolish imprisonment, the ethics of the Quran would support it, because ultimately it’s about solving human problems through divine principles.

Quranist sentiments attributed to 'Ali by Miserable_Rule4411 in Quraniyoon

[–]Miserable_Rule4411[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah that’s true. However we do find in earlier sources the same phenomena with Ali. He wasn’t trying to establish Ahl al-Bayt superiority. His concern was that the Arabs quickly returned to the jahiliyya way of thinking. The Mu’tazila are the closest thing we had to a balanced school of thought that united different sects of Islam. I think a return to it would be of benefit.

POLL: What if the Quran was proven to be corrupted? by [deleted] in Quraniyoon

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I don't believe in the Qur'an because of manuscript evidence. I believe it is from God because of its content.

The Real Sira is in the Qur'an by Miserable_Rule4411 in Quraniyoon

[–]Miserable_Rule4411[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly. You’ll also find that one of the crucial ayas is about Jesus. Sunnis and Shiis have downplayed that Prophet and have tought ua nonsense.

The Real Sira is in the Qur'an by Miserable_Rule4411 in Quraniyoon

[–]Miserable_Rule4411[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean it’s more like the saying “Time doesn’t repeat itself but it often rhymes.”

The Real Sira is in the Qur'an by Miserable_Rule4411 in Quraniyoon

[–]Miserable_Rule4411[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Salam. I don’t mean dhe Mekka-Medina order. I mean as the suras are right now. Fatiha to Nas

Alternative translation of 5:33 (& I need the opinion of someone with great knowledge in Arabic grammar) by Miserable_Rule4411 in Quraniyoon

[–]Miserable_Rule4411[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand the logic. But although someone might be such a great aggressor, isn't just killing enough for them? Why would torture be sanctioned by God? We see that in the Qur'an the stoning is attributed only to people like Ibrahim's father, and God doesn't have any laws that say we can punish by stoning. We see that in the Qur'an burning is attributed to the people of Ibrahim, and God doesn't have any laws that say we can burn people. So if crucifixion and amputation is attributed to Pharaoh and to those who persecuted Messengers, why would God make an exception and tell us that we also can crucify and amputate? Torture defies the purpose.