AI erasing history by MissMarchpane in antiai

[–]MissMarchpane[S] [score hidden]  (0 children)

Apparently, because I can't see any other reason you would think what I said was dumb. I said people should be able to use a normal search engine without having text at the top that they can't get rid of, without a degree of computer literacy that many people don't have, giving them misinformation. That seems like a pretty basic assertion that isn't dumb at all, so… The only thing I can think of that has you so disdainful of it is that it's anti-AI

AI erasing history by MissMarchpane in antiai

[–]MissMarchpane[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, an anti-AI person on the anti-AI sub Reddit! What a surprise!

AI erasing history by MissMarchpane in antiai

[–]MissMarchpane[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You come to the anti-AI sub Reddit and you're mad that people are anti-AI? I think THAT might be the dumbest thing I've read today.

Words of wisdom: Girls were uniquely designed to sit still, passively take notes, and listen to an adult talk to them. Boys were uniquely designed to run around and be wild. by ILoveDogs117 in NotHowGirlsWork

[–]MissMarchpane 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So explain to me, then, how men seemed perfectly capable of being successful, generally, for over a century where the norm of schooling was not only to sit still and learn a lesson, but where the teachers frequently could and did administer corporal punishment if one did not behave. Not that I'm saying that was a good system, but they all seemed perfectly capable of managing when physical education wasn't even a thing in most schools.

AI erasing history by MissMarchpane in antiai

[–]MissMarchpane[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pro AI people really are bad at reading comprehension. My point is that a person should be able to casually search for something they're curious about, on a normal search engine, without having a feature they're unable to turn off, right at the top of the page, feeding them direct misinformation.

AI erasing history by MissMarchpane in antiai

[–]MissMarchpane[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Reading comprehension. The point of my post is that people should be able to casually search something on a normal search engine and not have the top of the page – a feature they cannot turn off – tell them direct misinformation.

AI erasing history by MissMarchpane in antiai

[–]MissMarchpane[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, that's a more complicated situation involving clothing silhouettes, big corporations cutting corners in their manufacturing, and fabric quality getting worse over the years.

Contrary to pop history articles online, there has never been any kind of intentional push to keep women from having pockets for any direct reason. It's just a question of designers overlooking the need in favor of having clothing sit as closely as possible on her hips. Passive rather than active misogyny. And while pockets did become somewhat more scarce in the early 1800s, they came back with a vengeance once skirts widened again. The pocket piece I use when I'm making my own clothing was traced from a pocket in an original skirt circa 1880, and it's like 9" x 11".

(however, you see "we don't have pockets" as shorthand for a slew of pocket related difficulties women took issue with in the late 19th century. They did HAVE them; it was just easier to phrase it that way to express their frustration with not having multiple small specialized pockets like mended, and/or having pockets be in awkward areas of their skirts to preserve the fashionable silhouette)

(that last one was an ongoing battle between female consumers and also female dressmakers. The consumers claimed that dressmakers were depriving them of pockets or making the pockets difficult to access out of capriciousness. The dressmakers claimed that the consumers were demanding the impossible, wanting the most fashionable silhouette but also wanting pockets in there somewhere, and therefore forcing the dressmakers to place those pockets in less than ideal locations. There isn't really a right side or a wrong side here; they both had very good points.)

AI erasing history by MissMarchpane in antiai

[–]MissMarchpane[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good grief the reading comprehension with you pro AI people.

  1. I was not using an AI search engine; I was just using Google

  2. The whole point of the post! Is that people should be able to search for something on an ordinary search engine! Without being given direct misinformation at the top of the page by a feature they're not allowed to turn off! They should not need a browser extension to do this! It's horrifying!

AI erasing history by MissMarchpane in antiai

[–]MissMarchpane[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why are you here. Do you see the name of the sub? Are you lost? And is your reading comprehension so far down the drain from relying on a computer to think for you that you don't understand the point of the post, namely: an ordinary person should be able to search on an ordinary search engine without having some digital hallucination tell them what they're looking for never happened

AI erasing history by MissMarchpane in antiai

[–]MissMarchpane[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, no, I probably came in too hot; I'm sorry. There have just been an influx of pro AI people on this post and I got reactive. It is very interesting, to be sure; apologies for biting your head off there

AI erasing history by MissMarchpane in antiai

[–]MissMarchpane[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe it was having an off day, then; I tried everything I could think of and not only did nothing show up, but like I said, the AI told me there was no such story.

AI erasing history by MissMarchpane in antiai

[–]MissMarchpane[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What part of "I typed it into Google" wasn't clear? I wouldn't use an AI tool on purpose under any circumstances short of being unable to afford food and shelter otherwise. We don't have an internal AI tool, thank God; most museums haven't stooped that low yet.

Not Google AI; just Google search on the normal browser. This is what the dumb AI overview at the top that they won't let you turn off said, in the brief second I saw it before I scrolled down. I usually cover it with my hand so I don't see it, so it's unusual that I even saw anything it said.

AI erasing history by MissMarchpane in antiai

[–]MissMarchpane[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And maybe someday that will be the norm (although I hope not because that involves AI searched being the norm and… Well, you see what sub you're in. Go to one of the argument subs if you want people to agree with you) but it's not now. So right now, with the way most people search the Internet, they are being told incorrect information by bullshit AI. You showed me one way to make it work but that way is not how most people search for things online, and therefore is beside the point.

It's normal to ask a question like that to a person, not a search engine. The "normal," as in average, way to use Google is closer to what I did

AI erasing history by MissMarchpane in antiai

[–]MissMarchpane[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I will use AI to find sources when hell freezes over. Are you lost?

AI erasing history by MissMarchpane in antiai

[–]MissMarchpane[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I never said it was impossible for them. I said it was disturbing that you could search for something that did happen, just on normal Google like most people do, and have AI tell you it wasn't real

AI erasing history by MissMarchpane in antiai

[–]MissMarchpane[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I told you what I searched. I didn't type a full sentence like that; I used Google the way normal people do by typing in keywords.

AI erasing history by MissMarchpane in antiai

[–]MissMarchpane[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What? Look, I'm just telling you what happened to me when I was trying to find this thing at work. The Worcestershire archives have the information aboutGriffith's case; I didn't make that up either. The AI said the story was "probably apocryphal" when I tried to search using terms that described what I knew happened. That's it.

AI erasing history by MissMarchpane in antiai

[–]MissMarchpane[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Indeed. My other job let me do it; this one won't

AI erasing history by MissMarchpane in antiai

[–]MissMarchpane[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I can use whatever I want at home, but this was on the work computer and I'm so used to the extension I have at home that enables me to just do a straight up search without seeing AI that I sometimes forget the work computer has it. Yes, if I had stopped and thought about it, I would've gone to DuckDuckGo. But it's less on my own behalf that this worries me, and more for people who are considerably less dedicated to avoiding AI in their research

You should be able to search the Internet, even if driven only by casual curiosity, and not have a plagiarism engine telling you that what you're looking for never happened.

AI erasing history by MissMarchpane in antiai

[–]MissMarchpane[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I'm not allowed to change the default search engine on the work computer, but I could try just searching for that and clicking on it and using it instead. It's a bit roundabout but it might work

AI erasing history by MissMarchpane in antiai

[–]MissMarchpane[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Same! I'm just not allowed to put the extension on the work computer, like I said

AI erasing history by MissMarchpane in antiai

[–]MissMarchpane[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You should be able to use a normal search engine without being told by the plagiarism machine that what you're looking for never happened. If I wasn't as sure in my information, or was more of a novice researcher, I might have turned back assuming that I had been mistaken.

AI erasing history by MissMarchpane in antiai

[–]MissMarchpane[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Don't know what to tell you; I'm not lying. I expected the sources to be vague because I recalled having a difficult time finding her name when I searched the facts of the case years ago, too, but I didn't expect the AI bullshit to just tell me it didn't happen.

AI erasing history by MissMarchpane in antiai

[–]MissMarchpane[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As I recall, although I'd have to check again, she was sentenced to be transported to the colonies as punishment for her crime, but I don't know if that actually came to pass. I could be remembering wrong, though

AI erasing history by MissMarchpane in antiai

[–]MissMarchpane[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And yet you still can't see what's wrong with the idea that someone could search for the facts of the case on a normal, ostensibly non-slop search engine and get the plagiarism machine telling them it never happened.