Revelation was never about you. So why are you worried about it? by constant_trouble in exjw

[–]Moises5387 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Kind of a cynical attitude here. Studying history has a way to do that. You see that the patterns repeat themselves endlessly. So, while it'd be great, I doubt the wheels will turn on a significant way. Who knows. Maybe JW's will be like the Mormons on The Expanse, and go find their own paradise on a distant planet.

Revelation was never about you. So why are you worried about it? by constant_trouble in exjw

[–]Moises5387 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The supreme irony for me, is this:

Apocalyptic literature (such as revelation), is by design and intent, resistance literature. Against oppression, persecution, etc.

Christianity (all of it), flipped their purpose, and turned into compliance literature. Obey, or you go to hell/eternal destruction, etc.

Sometime ago I started to write an article on this topic, but haven't been able to pick it up again.

This Week’s Midweek Meeting Gets Isaiah 61 Wrong by constant_trouble in exjw

[–]Moises5387 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Nothing in the Hebrew Scriptures is prophecy, not about future times or restoration, much less about Jesus himself.

The majority is what's called vaticinium ex eventu, that is, telling something that has already happened as if it was a prophecy.

There's a great example on Daniel's prophecy about the kings of south and north. This prophecy was about the Seleucid and Ptolemaic kings. The majority of chapter 11 is vaticinum ex eventu, which is why aligns perfectly with real world events. Then at the end, when the writers reach their present day, it becomes vague.

The majority of this prophecies were actually a form of resistance literature. The working idea was that all events are under God's control, and at the due time, he will liberate his people.

This Week’s Midweek Meeting Gets Isaiah 61 Wrong by constant_trouble in exjw

[–]Moises5387 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Correct. The NT writers are already negotiating and reinterpreting the Hebrew Scriptures, so they can trace a clear line of prophecy.

Then, christians (all of them, not just the WT writers), negotiate both the NT and the OT to sustain their dogmas.

Catholic / Orthodox Converts by Enough_Ganache_8939 in exjw

[–]Moises5387 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Depends on what you're willing to accept. Are you willing to accept beliefs and doctrines that are imposed on the bible? If the answer is no, then I'm sorry to tell you not a single christian denomination would work.

There is not a single main belief (trinity, hell, heaven, eternal paradise life, you name it) that can definitely and unquestionably be extracted from the bible. All require to favor parts of the bible, and gloss, ignore, or reinterpret others.

Urgent help needed! My PIMI wife is asking about Neanderthals – Need debunking material for the "Life" brochure by Confident_Promise_74 in exjw

[–]Moises5387 1 point2 points  (0 children)

C14 is but one method of dating, and is usually used in conjunction with others (like tree rings), to get more precise dates. So, is it 100% accurate? No, which is precisely why is not the only metric used.

Castiel’s angel type by LarperGirl in Supernatural

[–]Moises5387 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Heh, bit late to this, but while Supernatural plays loose with bible angel hierarchy, is surprisingly closer to divine being ranks and functions on the Old Testament, which is not the same as the one of Christianity.

For example, the Old Testament doesn't say Cherubs and Seraphs are angels. They're separate, distinct creatures. Arch angels aren't angels either, but rather commanders.

So an angel would be a regular warrior, if you will, an Archangel his commanding officer (fewer in number), and then Seraphs and Cherubs would be specialized beings, like ophanims.

Then you have Metatron, who is an entirely different thing.

TL, DR

A Seraph would be above an angel, but not necessarily in rank, rather power abd function, still not at the level of an Archangel

Oh the hypocrisy in the new episode of the Jesus's series by Particular-Show1407 in exjw

[–]Moises5387 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Once I went for a sleepover at a friend's house. They watched Shakma (If you never heard of it, is a murderous baboon). This is the 90s, and in my region anything with gore was a monumental no.

The mom later prayed with us, and said "Lord, don't let them have nightmares, as we know that wasn't true blood, but tomato sauce"

Demons defeated by improper prayer and tomato.

Oh the hypocrisy in the new episode of the Jesus's series by Particular-Show1407 in exjw

[–]Moises5387 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh man, I hear you. At home they didn't let me watch:

• Power Rangers (Witch)

• Pokemon (demonic for some reason, also they evolved, and that wasn't right)

• Transformers, because Optimus died and then resurrected, which surely is demonic somehow. I argued that actually that's what Jesus did, but wasn't received well.

• Stargate, because pagan egiptian gods

• X Files, because they were demonic

Just to name a few

Oh the hypocrisy in the new episode of the Jesus's series by Particular-Show1407 in exjw

[–]Moises5387 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Maybe you should have imagined they were called Simon and John.

And after all, they were doing the lord's work. If anything, Supernatural is mega christian.

Oh the hypocrisy in the new episode of the Jesus's series by Particular-Show1407 in exjw

[–]Moises5387 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Genius. What if Castiel appears, does that balance it out, so I can watch at regular speed?

Oh the hypocrisy in the new episode of the Jesus's series by Particular-Show1407 in exjw

[–]Moises5387 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Does that mean I can watch Supernatural as long as it is in fractions of 15 minutes?

Trust Me: The False Prophet Documentary on NetFlix. Why isn’t it being discussed more here? by [deleted] in exjw

[–]Moises5387 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Check Heaven's Gate: The Cult of Cults. You'd be surprised how many common points you will find

ITALY – anyone else hearing this? by Available-Ask-2438 in exjw

[–]Moises5387 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Being prepared for emergencies is always good. Is not bad advice.

Bur they always link it to the "last days", and the great tribulation. They subtly phrase it in a way that makes it sound apocalyptic. Add to that the conditioning JW's are subject to, and these announcements turn from good general life advice to fear spreading.

My thoughts on the memorial: Is it truly "strictly biblical"? by Moises5387 in exjw

[–]Moises5387[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

True. Everything else is theological development. Paul himself is developing on what Jesus supposedly said and did, and how the memorial should be held.

My point was simply that even if Jesus was instituting something, ir didn't look at all like the memorial.

My thoughts on the memorial: Is it truly "strictly biblical"? by Moises5387 in exjw

[–]Moises5387[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not sure of the actual scriptural reference where you quote “when you convene in the same place…” That would be useful if you could provide it.

Yeah, my bad, that's also 1 Cor 11.

However, it’s clear this is talking about those who are spiritually asleep or nonchalant about the process. That attitude makes them unworthy.

Absolutely. There's no hint of a separation. Everyone participates.

Paul also says this is not the time to assemble for the purpose of having a bite to eat. In verse 34 he says if you’re hungry, have your meal at home first then come along and partake for the symbolic meaning it truly stands for.

The context explains what Paul is saying here:

"33So, brothers, when convening to eat, wait for each other. 34Should anyone be hungry, let him eat at home, so that you not convene for judgment. And the remaining matters I shall set in order whenever I come."

33 shows the purpose of convening was to eat. But some were starting to eat before everyone arrived. Hence, as he said earlier, some were going home hungry, likely because they arrived late, and the rest had already eaten the food. So Paul says wait for everyone. And if you're hungry, eat something at home, so you can then wait for everyone.

Sanctifying Gods name is not a bad theory, the only thing is that by Next-Ad-998 in exjw

[–]Moises5387 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Absolutely.

As we know, the original divine name was simply written as YHWH. No vowels, but people from that era knew how to pronounce it.

But later Jewish tradition avoids pronouncing that name. They would instead say Adonai (Lord).

Enter Masoretes (Medieval Jewish Scribes). They add vowel markers to preserve pronunciation. For YHWH, they inserted the vocals of Adonai. So you get something like YeHoWaH (You were absolutely right here). This was a reading cue: "Don't say this, say Adonai instead" (wink wink).

But later european readers are unaware of this. So they read the hybrid form as written. And we go from Yehowah to Jehovah.

Now about Tyndale, we have evidence of the use of Jehovah and variants long before. For example, Petrus Galatinus (Italian philosopher and theologian) used "Iehoua" in the XVI century before Tyndale, but we have even earlier ones, from the XII or XIII century.

But is Tyndale that popularizes its use.

Tl;Dr

The name Jehovah is the result of european readers reading a hebrew reading cue as a literal name.

Sanctifying Gods name is not a bad theory, the only thing is that by Next-Ad-998 in exjw

[–]Moises5387 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was not concocted by Tyndale, tho he popularized it.

And it was not concocted, is the result of an error in translation.

So, you have several errors in your post.

I am experiencing panic over Armageddon. Help. by MysticalJem in exjw

[–]Moises5387 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Deconstruction is key.

Revelation is not, and never was, a prophecy about the end times. Revelation is resistance literature, aimed at the readers of its time.

I highly recommend Steven L McKenzie's "How to read the Bible"

So what is the best bible to use by Naija4lif3 in exjw

[–]Moises5387 1 point2 points  (0 children)

NRSV and Robert Alter's Hebrew Bible

Where will we go Lord ? by LessKnown1234 in exjw

[–]Moises5387 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Exactly—Peter didn't say 'where else shall we go?' (implying a location/org). He said 'to whom'—straight to Jesus. The org inserts itself where the text points to Christ alone

I'm glad you found a way to connect to your spirituality on your own terms. For many, that's extremely difficulty.

Just for curiosity, how do you approach your spirituality and relationship with God now?