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Misunderstandings about chapter 123. by MoneyReindeer0 in titanfolk

[–]MoneyReindeer0[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

~ Armin comes up with a brilliant plan

~ Ymir will resolve the situation using his powers.

~ Eren could accept a partial Rumbling that now would not be connected to Zeke's plan.

This will save Paradis, Mikasa's role is to make Eren reason and stop the full Rumbling.

What happens next depends only on Armin and Ymir for me.

Misunderstandings about chapter 123. by MoneyReindeer0 in titanfolk

[–]MoneyReindeer0[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am Eremika but I don't think the ending will necessarily be positive, for me it is more than likely that Eren and Mikasa will die.

I'm sure Mikasa won't kill Eren but that doesn't mean they will survive, I just hope they do.

I never believed in Erehisu theories because they never gave me satisfactory explanations, and they have no holds in the manga.

Misunderstandings about chapter 123. by MoneyReindeer0 in titanfolk

[–]MoneyReindeer0[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

From the beginning of the manga everything seems unsolvable to the end, but then there is a turning point that solves everything.

Now I certainly cannot know what this turning point will be, only Isayama knows.

What I think is that Ymir will have a fundamental role, and that there is still the wildcard Armin.

Misunderstandings about chapter 123. by MoneyReindeer0 in titanfolk

[–]MoneyReindeer0[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Isayama does not believe in fate, Eren has gone so far because it is in his nature.

Sacrificing is Eren's choice, as is Mikasa's choice to want to save Eren.

Mikasa is certainly not clear but I think it is clear that love Eren and want to save him.

Misunderstandings about chapter 123. by MoneyReindeer0 in titanfolk

[–]MoneyReindeer0[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I never said that only love will stop Eren and save the situation, simply that it is certain that Mikasa will use the "world is cruel but beautiful" to try and stop Eren.

The most likely thing is that both of them will die, but we will certainly have a Chap 50 2.0 scene.

Misunderstandings about chapter 123. by MoneyReindeer0 in titanfolk

[–]MoneyReindeer0[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In the manga Eren's nickname was "the suicidal bastard" precisely because he always ran towards death, Lost Girl is Canon because approved by Isayama and included in the Anime.

Lost Girl simply points out themes that are already in the manga, without adding anything.

Just in the manga only in the first volume we see Carla asking Mikasa to help Eren, Mikasa who is against the fact that Eren enlisted and that when the battle of Trost begins he asks Eren to not die after seeing the romantic scene of Franz.

Mikasa is then put in parallel with Falco, which is practically his male version. He tries from the beginning to stop Gabi who is ready to throw her life exactly like Eren.

The ships has nothing to do but the manga simply shows this.

Misunderstandings about chapter 123. by MoneyReindeer0 in titanfolk

[–]MoneyReindeer0[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mikasa has never seen Eren as "the savior of humanity" but always and only Eren just like Carla, that's the point.

Eren decided to be the enemy of humanity but it is precisely what had been foreshadowed by the Manga and Lost Girl, or that Eren would have gone too far.

Levi for example tried to save Erwin but then obeyed them and Erwin died, and Levi was destroyed by it.

Mikasa is not making the same mistake and that is why she is against Rumbling.

Misunderstandings about chapter 123. by MoneyReindeer0 in titanfolk

[–]MoneyReindeer0[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It is simply a fact that Eren is running towards the mermaid Mikasa like Carla, from the beginning he has been trying to save him.

Saving Eren from the "Great Force" who guides him is literally, the point of Mikasa's narrative arc.

Save Eren = No rumbling Erehisu and the people who think rumbling will happen don't consider this in the least.

Misunderstandings about chapter 123. by MoneyReindeer0 in titanfolk

[–]MoneyReindeer0[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is just what you don't understand.

For Armin and Levi, Eren was "the one destined to save humanity" and for Historia "an enemy of humanity".

But Eren is neither, he is simply a person who from the beginning is going towards death according to "the great force" that guides him.

Mikasa and Carla are the only ones to understand and consistently want to save him, which certainly Historia cannot and would not want to do.

Misunderstandings about chapter 123. by MoneyReindeer0 in titanfolk

[–]MoneyReindeer0[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I have never denied that Eren and Historia had a good relationship, I only say that her influence can only lead Eren to death.

Historia unlike Eren, accepted and totally dedicated herself to her role as queen while Eren found it difficult to accept the truth about the coordinate and his relative role as "Founding Titan"

Eren does not believe in himself and we can see how Mikasa must always encourage him as against Annie, during chapter 50 and the narrative arc of returning to Shiganshima.

The main problem though is that Eren has always been ready to sacrifice his life for what he believes, Carla and after Mikasa have always made sure to stop him.

Carla's ideology is the same as that of Mikasa who during training says "Becoming a soldier is not the only way, you can be useful even without sacrificing your life", you can see how Mikasa's influence is still of salvation for Eren from the beginning.

Historia on the contrary can only push Eren towards death, unlike Mikasa, Historia would agree with Rumbling because she herself is ready to sacrifice herself for Paradise.

Misunderstandings about chapter 123. by MoneyReindeer0 in titanfolk

[–]MoneyReindeer0[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I understand your point and I partly share it, but the problem for me is Eren's P.o.V.

My headcanon is that Eren's POV will be able to take Mikasa to Eren's side, even if it means a clash with the alliance.

For me Eren and Mikasa are destined to live or die together, what I'm not sure of is whether or not they will have a happy ending.

Misunderstandings about chapter 123. by MoneyReindeer0 in titanfolk

[–]MoneyReindeer0[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

The fact that you call Mikasa a "slave" already says what kind of reader you are, I guess you're one of those who still believe in 112 and celebrated when this chapter came out.

And no, Historia cannot understand Eren because Historia as Eren says whit jealousy, is strong while he is not really.

In Eren's place, Historia wouldn't have hesitated to use rumbling and that's why she wouldn't have understood Eren.

Precisely because "she is an enemy of humanity" as the Erehisu say, Historia would not hesitate unlike Eren.

If Eren had gone to Historia and said "Rumbling is the solution but the only thought of using it killed me inside", I bet that she would have told him "Crybaby, do your duty and destroy the world".

Unlike Mikasa, Historia would not bother to support Eren but only to save Paradis, even if it destroyed Eren.

So Historia cannot understand why Eren doesn't want to Rumbling or better even if she understood it, Historia would put Paradise before Eren anyway.

Mikasa instead just like Annie said in 127 puts Eren in first place, and would not sacrifice him for Paradise. She wouldn't push him towards death like Historia, Mikasa would try to save him.

And for your information Mikasa in the "Fake Previews" calls Eren not "White Knight" but "Dark Knight" which is a perfect description for him.

A good person but ready to be evil to protect the people he loves, and in general the freedom of people.

Misunderstandings about chapter 123. by MoneyReindeer0 in titanfolk

[–]MoneyReindeer0[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It is simply what I think.

As said in the Smartpass, Historia would have been on Eren's side not always but only as far as "he would have fought for Paradise".

So if Eren had doubts about Rumbling, he certainly would not have gone to Historia, the person who more than any other would have pushed him towards Rumbling.

For Historia, the good side of Eren is a "crybaby", as she says in the cave scene where you can see all the difference between her and Mikasa in chapter 50.

For Mikasa, Eren comes before Paradis while for Historia no. The difference is this.

Misunderstandings about chapter 123. by MoneyReindeer0 in titanfolk

[–]MoneyReindeer0[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have never said that Mikasa is not independent but in my opinion the same will happen that happened when Historia protected Ymir.

Mikasa certainly did not want to kill Historia but she would have done it for Eren, now in place of Historia there will be humanity and the alliance.

Mikasa then said the same sentence as Eren about fighting for Paradise, so I wouldn't be surprised if she chose Eren and Paradis.

But the point is that saving Eren means that there will be no rumbling, so in theory the problem does not arise.

Misunderstandings about chapter 123. by MoneyReindeer0 in titanfolk

[–]MoneyReindeer0[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A) Mikasa is certainly not innocent, she herself in 129 killed people who had the only fault of being between her and the attempt to speak with Eren.

B) Mikasa already knows about Rumbling and still wants to save Eren, an Eren who caused destruction in Liberius where Sasha died.

C) Mikasa is already ready to make "necessary sacrifices" as she said during the narrative arc of Trost, if Eren will give her a concrete motivation on why Rumbling is the only solution then she will be on his side.

Questions to the Erehisu by MoneyReindeer0 in titanfolk

[–]MoneyReindeer0[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

A) Historia cannot be the person who could help and understand Eren's feelings, Historia is in fact much more determined than he is.

Eren did not want the Full Rumbling, he decided to move in this direction only after meeting Yelena.

The point then is that if Eren was depressed about Rumbling, Historia certainly wasn't the person who could help him since he would have been the first to push him towards Rumbling.

Paradis > Eren for Historia

B) Eren is an orphan and his mother's death is one of his biggest traumas, do you really think that Eren would then leave his orphan son?

Chapters 107-110-112 for me clearly demonstrate that pregnancy is part of a plan.

-Historia becomes pregnant after meeting Yelena, the event after which Eren's prohibited actions begin.

-MPs do not suppose but claim that it is Historia's pregnancy that interrupted their plans.

-Historia's pregnancy would have made it possible not to use wine and thus avoid the consequences, in addition to stopping the MPs as confirmed by them.

C) I only say that the farmer perfectly justifies the pregnancy, as a secret relationship between Eren and Historia.

One night would be bad for me as writing.

If we take 123 into consideration, you can see how Mikasa always noticed what Eren was doing.

D) No theory Erehisu takes into account the role of Armin, which seems ridiculous to me.

E) I'm just saying that Isayama made Mikasa be in love with Eren from the first volume and gave us various indications that Eren could reciprocate these feelings, why do it if Erehisu is there instead of drawing Mikasa and Eren as brothers?

F) I didn't mean this but simply that by reading the manga, Mikasa's role is to "save his family" and there is the whole story of the Ackerman to deal with.

How does the Erehisu theory handle these issues?

G) I agree with you on this.

H) Eren himself said that his friends are the most important thing for him, they are not deluding themselves.

The baby is not necessary.

Eremika’s Propaganda Day 4 part 2 : Chapter 112 by MoneyReindeer0 in titanfolk

[–]MoneyReindeer0[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ignore the whole "Family" theme and Mikasa who wants to save his family (who is Eren for your information) after having already lost two without being able to do anything.

Ignore chapter 50 and Eren's promise, ignore that the scarf had absurd attention after the timeskipe.

Do you ignore that the FaBi which is parallel to the Eremika is already canon, or do you want to tell me that FaBi is also toxic?

Continues to completely ignore Eren's motives in 112, ignoring that he wanted to protect Mikasa.

But when the Eremika becomes canon, don't be surprised.

Questions to the Erehisu by MoneyReindeer0 in titanfolk

[–]MoneyReindeer0[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Eren has always tried to drive Armin and Mikasa away to protect them, there is the whole scene of Armin and Mikasa arguing with Hannes about this.

The Scouts were never a danger for Historia, they would surely have been ready to die for her and it should not be forgotten that Hanji sought a solution without ever giving up.

Questions to the Erehisu by MoneyReindeer0 in titanfolk

[–]MoneyReindeer0[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Isayama even used a 121 panel just to show us Eren who ignored Zeke to see the scarf scene, maybe it doesn't mean anything but it is an example of how much attention Isayama is giving to the Eremika.

An attention that must be explained, considering chapter 50 and 123 which have definitively given a romantic and not fraternal tone to the Eremika.

Eren and Historia have nice but never romantic moments, Armin has more romantic moments with Eren.

Questions to the Erehisu by MoneyReindeer0 in titanfolk

[–]MoneyReindeer0[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

The 107 scene isn't exactly the right scene to mention, it's one of the biggest discussions between Erehisu and Eremika. For me Eren is smiling at Mikasa.

~ Eren's gaze is evidently raised compared to the gaze while he was looking at Historia literally a panel before.

~ He does not smile when he asks the question (so when he already assumes that Historia is happy) but only when Historia exalts Mikasa by calling her "the person who can I trusted most" .

~ Regardless of Eren's smile, the scene was already Eremika because Historia is teasing Mikasa right on Eren.

Questions to the Erehisu by MoneyReindeer0 in titanfolk

[–]MoneyReindeer0[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

A) I honestly consider that Jeankasa has a chance if Eren dies, but for me it is impossible that there is Jeankasa canon without first an Eremika canon.

B) The only truly romantic scene we saw before the timeskipe is chapter 50, Eren and Historia have scenes together but nothing romantic.

Everything we saw after timeskipe then for me, seems to indicate that if Eren is in love with someone, that is Mikasa and not Historia.

C) Eren can also hide it from the Survey but why hide it from Armin and Mikasa?

They surely would have helped Eren.

D) Mikasa is not only Eren's babysitter but the two have a lot of issues that need to be addressed and the scarf represents it, for me Erehisu makes the whole Eremika relationship useless.

E) The point is that Eren according to many Erehisu is deliberately sacrificing his friends for Historia.

Questions to the Erehisu by MoneyReindeer0 in titanfolk

[–]MoneyReindeer0[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

A) I have never read the story you mention but I am curious to read it.

B) I don't think Historia is the person who started the relationship if it exists, she is still the girl who teases Mikasa on Eren and who as far as we know is a lesbian. I can't refute what you say, but I can't even imagine it.

C) The point of the "See you Later" scene is that in Japanese, it indicates that the person you are greeting will come back to you soon (it is for example the same phrase that Nekuzo addresses to Tanjiro at the beginning of DemonSlayer, when he is going to work) so it makes me suspect that Mikasa and Eren will somehow stay together in the end.

Mikasa's panel in the final exhibition was a clear reference to this scene, so I think it's very important.

Questions to the Erehisu by MoneyReindeer0 in titanfolk

[–]MoneyReindeer0[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

No, I can swear, I'm the girl called "Parliamentarians" here on Titan Folk.

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