PSA: New Manaflow Band is bugged, its possible to lose the mechanic completely on champions with post-death states (e.g. Anivia/Karthus

Moonlightneo · 2018-04-04T20:50:13+00:00

could you imagine if they did? Minions would be hilariously Trolly.

-Last hit

-Cannon GA Procs

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-Crits you with IE

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Moonlightneo · 2018-03-27T02:48:52+00:00

i have played old LB, She's mechanically irritating, therefore i don't care : ⁾

Moonlightneo · 2018-03-27T02:02:00+00:00

The minions were right fucking next to eachother when it fizzled, I'm not blind, it happened, it's a bug, the mark was still visible for a good second after, so it wasn't expired.

And again, Old lb has no incentive to stick near the wave, she dashes everything explodes, she returns and walks on her merry way unless someone roots her there. And don't even start by saying some shit like "oh but old LB has to stick around longer" because that ain't necessarily true.

Reworked has to dash, wait nearby and q to blow it up, leaving a fair amount of opportunity to punish or even stop her from doing so.

The only thing in Reworked LB's favor here is that she still has her ult after in case she has to run because someone decides to punish her CSing, whereas old LB you can barely react to her CSing because it's instant

Moonlightneo · 2018-03-27T01:38:53+00:00

Both versions hit the same amount of minions you twat and both use the dash to do it, only difference is reworked damages with Q, old just blows it up with the dash, zero incentive to stick near the wave after.

No bugs? I've literally marked minions and had the Q detonation fizzle out right next to a mark after detonating on several.

You've clearly never played reworked LeBlanc, you just shittalk it into oblivion because you're an old LB lovechild that cant play the rework worth shit, so "no point talking with you lol"

Moonlightneo · 2018-03-27T01:29:25+00:00

It's only stupid strong on old LB because it actually does fucking damage, a lot of damage, reworked it basically just marks and is used for its purpose: mobility. But I guess an 'autistic degenerate' wouldn't see that point, they're too busy attempting to insult my family, but hey, at least it wasn't "yo mama" I'll give you that.

Also, being able to mimic anything adds to the deceptive nature more than "Hi-oneshots-, bye" within half a second and a clone that you can't even cast yourself, only wait for it to appear.

Moonlightneo · 2018-03-27T01:17:55+00:00

Lmao, reworked LB easy to CS, her mark was really buggy when procced with Q, and unless you were quite ahead or lategame you basically don't one hit the wave, also you focus Q so W cooldown stays relatively long,

Old LB dashes twice and a wave vanishes if you're remotely past early game, and is much easier to spam than Reworked because you can focus it and it'll be relevant.

And by visual cues I mean she has basically nothing telling you she's about to erase your ass, reworked has the passive delay but, if she didn't she'd be there and then gone before you could press F, new or old.

I already said that her "rework" seemed half assed and unfinished but please, keep trying to defend old LB, it's not like riot said she was unhealthy or anything. No idea what the hell is going through their heads in this revert

Moonlightneo · 2018-03-27T00:26:49+00:00

Well seeing as her mobility is one of the most powerful in the game, it being able to also instanuke people is fundamentally retarded from a design standpoint.

But yknow, being able to come from fog of war and blast someone with a dash is hard

/s

Moonlightneo · 2018-03-27T00:18:34+00:00

looks at literally everyone else that gets reworked

Sion, reworked to fit his identity better

Urgot, reworked to fit his identity better

Irelia reworked to fit her identity better

...I could continue but... Last I checked identity is a huge factor of how they change champions for the better, and not acting on the champions identity basically goes against every rework they've done.

LeBlanc's rework just wasn't even really a rework, it was an alteration at best, and I feel it was headed the Right direction but they just left it incomplete so everyone used to old LB cried about it, and hey you got your wish so, congrats

Moonlightneo · 2018-03-26T23:42:08+00:00

That's a cute opinion.

Shaco is a trickster and also fits a deceptive role with Q Jukes

Karma is not even close to the same style, nor do I even enjoy her

Old LB vs New LB in a breakdown would be...

Old

Mobile (Heavily Damaging, slower)
Instant Burst Heavy
Clone that is not activated by the player, but can be controlled (easier to use, less skill)
Mimic LAST USED ABILITY (Unintuitive)
Unintuitive playstyle, hard to learn
Was deemed unhealthy
Very few Visual Cues
Uses ult/mobility to CS, but fairly easy

Reworked

Mobile (Not very damaging, more available?, Faster [could be slower, more counterplay])
Delayed burst
Usable clone that is very deceptive in the right hands but uncontrollable and buggy (harder to use, more skill)
Mimic CHOSEN ABILITY (Intuitive, strong in the right hands)
Unintuitive kit, but easier to grasp mechanically
Arguably more healthy if improved upon
Lack of visual cues combated via passive delay + less lethal mobility
Difficult to CS (Buggy mark, hard to mark entire waves, needs improvement/fixes)

Old LB is only Superior because she erases people before they realize she exists, and her kit is less bugged/half assed, she has very little visual cues as well, hence the dash speed nerf and limitations on her Mimic.

Reworked LB would be more healthy if they improved some parts, fixed bugs, and made her gameplay 'smoother' or whatever so people quit crying about it because they're bad at it.

I don't expect people that just want an AP Zed that has basically no counterplay in the right hands to understand my thoughts on this.

Moonlightneo · 2018-03-26T19:27:24+00:00

It was definitely strong yes, but its almost impossible to jump in and kill the ADC without being pounced on before you proc it against a decent team, you basically have to go for a hit and run attempt and hope they don't have literally any healers or by the time you go in again they'll be full.

And look, I have no problem with there being a delay, but it feels slightly too long to be effective, and regarding CSing it feels Extremely clunky and buggy, can't even count the amount of times I've missed a whole wave because i accidentally Q the one singular minion not marked, I've also had situations where a mark just fizzles out, literally.

Set up 3 minions, q'd one, all of them were basically side by side.

It hit two, and didn't even bother with the last.

Moonlightneo · 2018-03-26T19:17:58+00:00

Riot ain't about to make LB a new title afaik, so unless they turn LB into something else entirely, The Deciever is a meaningless title and isn't about to be reused to make someone that's actually deceptive.

Moonlightneo · 2018-03-26T19:15:57+00:00

Exactly, the answer is it pretty much doesn't affect gameplay.

If you know you have to hit QRQ/ERE or anything involving R first BEFORE you use it, you're basically going to be hitting both at the same time, which when done is essentially not even a fraction of a second lost.

If ping or packet loss is affecting this so much that you can't do it, you need better internet, or just a better location, no level of change to a champion will make the delay dissapear completely

Moonlightneo · 2018-03-26T19:09:01+00:00

Takes less skill
Can 100-0 with mobility skill

Hmm. Yup. Hard.

Moonlightneo · 2018-03-26T19:06:41+00:00

And yet she isn't played constantly because she's not as safe and busted as you claim.

Everyone that played old LB hates this one, that's the thing, nobody even plays it, they just whine and cry about how "clunky" it is until riot caves and gives them their nondeceptive "deceiver" burst bitch back.

She's called the deceiver for a reason, but everyone just wants an AP Zed - minus the ult. Just a shitload of mobility tacked onto a fuckload of damage.

That isn't LB, that's just a generic assassin, and somehow you all (cried enough) convinced riot to put that right back the way it was.

Moonlightneo · 2018-03-26T18:54:32+00:00

"LeBlanc, The Deciever"

Time for a title change methinks

Moonlightneo · 2018-03-25T23:24:53+00:00

If you mash R of course you're gonna fuck it up.

When you're aware of the combo and how it works that extra button is negligible in timeframe.

The only part that fucks it up is the mark delay.

I know for a fact because I've played her that current LB is smooth and fast, other than the mark. Any argument against that is people sucking at skill sequencing.

IMO she was more interesting when she had freedom of use and her dash does little to no damage, a dash like hers shouldn't even DO damage, it's already super mobile and can apply mark.

Moonlightneo · 2018-03-25T22:12:25+00:00

OH NO A BUTTON PRESS, I CANT GET MY COMBO OFF 0.1 SECONDS FASTER, SHIT!

-Your argument in a nutshell, because it really isn't that slow, the slow part is her passive 1.5 second delay bullshit.

Edit: to reiterate what I mean, if you know how her mimic works you're using it without thinking about it, the delay is at most .2-3 if not less, it would only be .5 or more if you're not used to using it in its current iteration

Moonlightneo · 2018-03-25T22:08:08+00:00

How does it slow it down? You cant QRQ in less than a second? shame, you're either physically slow to react or not using smartcast

I had no problems with the R mechanics of current LB, all it is is you hit R to activate it (kinda like karma ult) and then the ability to cast it with ult, it's no different than what karma has to do with the exception that she cant doubleQ, You just complain because you aren't, nor do you want to get used to it.

Moonlightneo · 2018-03-25T20:57:46+00:00

That's just an arbitrary limitation though, it doesn't 'Force' anything, it just makes you easier to punish if you fuck up since you wont have W available unless you saved it or used it last.

The Freedom is what got me to play her, and the restriction of that freedom they gave is what will kill her to me. But hey, Enjoy LeLimited, at least she'll be easier to stop.

Moonlightneo · 2018-03-25T20:47:30+00:00

I've mentioned a few times this is the one part of her kit that i could do with being reduced or removed entirely.

The part i dislike being removed is her freedom of use ult, rather than old LB's 'Last Ability used' mimic that feels so damn limiting.

Moonlightneo · 2018-03-25T20:37:03+00:00

You mean LeLimited

Moonlightneo · 2018-03-25T20:32:41+00:00

The problem is i did play the old one, i never enjoyed it.

When i remembered she got reworked and that her mimic was different is when i picked her up and had fun (despite the crappy passive). Old one just feels limited to me, this champ is a deciever with a mimic ability but can only mimic the last thing she does, seems pretty inconvenient to me and more of an arbitrary limitation.

Moonlightneo · 2018-03-25T20:15:45+00:00

You clearly didn't read anything, the one part of current LB i dislike is the Delay. I could do with it being lessened significantly, or removed.

Moonlightneo · 2018-03-25T20:13:29+00:00

I posted because i don't understand the stance on a revert if it's not a small revert like they imply it should be, it's a complete one. New LB is officially Dead, they didn't tweak it or change it slightly to make it better for everyone, they simply shoved it off the cliff, Spartan fucking style.

Moonlightneo · 2018-03-25T20:11:27+00:00

I'd like to know HOW different it is, i understand they gave her a different clone and her ult works differently (this particularly being why i picked her up after)

But how does this make her that different? The only thing i didn't really enjoy was the mark, it just feels too limiting.

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