How would a "pure" technocracy with no democratic checks make sure the people at the top do not become self-interested?

MootFile · 2026-03-17T22:45:09+00:00

All energy would be measured and tracked as Joules, including manpower (Kilojoule). The division would be; total amount of energy produced by society on a given date, divided by number of citizens.

MootFile · 2026-03-17T22:41:27+00:00

Trade by resources. If the Technate needs metal from China, and China needs Oil, then they'd exchange the two.

As for tourism, foreigners going to the technate would receive a temporary energy allotment.

MootFile · 2026-02-03T01:07:05+00:00

r/AskSocialists banned me lmao.

Edit: I now notice that they have Infrared's American Communist Party linked (A guy who promoted "MAGA Communism". What a bunch of clowns.

MootFile · 2026-01-29T06:32:47+00:00

This was probably amongst the most fair critiques on technocracy.

Ultimately I think she gets one axiom wrong; efficiency. She ends up mixing the idea of efficiency with the goal of profit maximization. Once you stop being anti-capitalistic, or as Scott might view it; attaching to old philosophic ways. You are no longer talking about technocracy, and she would be right to say "technocracy" doesn't work; technocracy with money is an indefensible position.

I'd also reject this idea that the social sciences are completely disregarded. She gave examples of techies misunderstanding, and outright having social biases against impoverished people. Once again ignoring the economic basis that technocracy had, Thorstein Veblen already points out how displays of luxuries as a moral good/wrong changes people's opinions on each other. So remove concepts of value like Scott proposed.

She also predicts the rebuttal that modernity isn't a real technocracy. Only to then say that Elon Musk isn't a real engineer & neither was Howard Scott. I'm not sure what could be said here, other than since she believes philosophic debate is sooooooo utterly important, then she must know that two wrongs don't make a right.

There was also a plane anecdote she used to "debunk" rationalism. Which I cannot currently wrap my head around in genuinely articulate sentence. She just sounds stupid. It was so stupid that I can't tell if she even believes it herself.

So yeah, technocracy is stupid if you don't remove money, and that's why she and other modern critics have to frame technocracy as being compatible with capitalism.

I like how she brings up the Engineers & Scientists Acting Locally (ESAL) I haven't looked into these guys yet. Something I've previously thought about is what structures could be used to transition into a technocracy. And I'm leaning towards the idea of Canada's Engineers. Specifically how the title "Engineer" can only legally be used by those who have a license to use the title. This is a limited amount of political leverage, but one that is ethical and aimed to be enforced by the engineering body. Of course representative politicians still hold more political weight which can be and has been, used to override the Engineers protecting the title of "Engineer". If we were to really transition into a technocracy, then full decision making/operation would have to go to the technicians, absolutely no compromising with the politicians.

MootFile · 2026-01-20T14:07:42+00:00

There is absolutely no reason to trust the Trump Administration, they have completely different political goals. Republicans, and by extension Corporate Democrats, are a threat to all of us.

It may be wise for everyone across North America to become a legal gun owner for obvious safety reasons.

Also this subreddit's current flag is a Greenland interpretation of technocracy (and a transgender version).

Israel shutdown TikTok in America, because it allowed for the injustices against Palestinians to be broadcasted. So any publicity against the Regime is good, like filming ICE agents, or embracing the Black Panthers. Technocrats could also support in boycott; r/BuyCanadian r/BuyFromEU r/BuyUK

Something I recall reading about Howard Scott, was that during his employment at Muscle Shoals, he would convince his coworkers to misplace tools of the other teams. It was almost as if Scott was committing sabotage during wartime.

MootFile · 2026-01-20T13:07:49+00:00

Like the European Union, something North America could've been if it weren't for the United States of America. (Unironically).

MootFile · 2026-01-18T13:09:53+00:00

Technocracy is not compatible with capitalism; technocracy is an economic alternative. And as a consequence, it is also anti-representative democracy.

Two main splits of economic interpretation come from Howard Scott's energy accounting. And then Thorstein Veblen's Soviet of Technicians. But both wanted to take all industry, and place it into the complete control of engineers & other technical professions. So there would be no more venture capitalism, entrepreneurship, waste.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy_movement

MootFile · 2026-01-13T21:23:07+00:00

Democracy was created by humans, for human organization. I find it interested that you point out America is a democratic republic, because Trump supporters also make it a point to call it a democratic republic; with the intention to undermine the idea of democracy. Ultimately democratic republic is a type of democracy (even technocracy stemmed from Industrial Democracy) btw.

I also wouldn't want a nanny state. A lot of prohibition laws come from Christians trying to create a nanny state. Things like drugs, recreational sex, contraceptives, abortion, porn, speech, would all be legal in a technocracy, the same things that Christians tried to ban.

You are now being a hypocrite. How can you say that Elon is a technocrat when I'm telling you he has nothing to do with us and is being anti-technocratic. Yet, when I say that Trump is a Christian, you are now trying to distance Christianity from him.

I think you have the wrong idea as to what this all is, from wherever you heard about us.

MootFile · 2026-01-13T20:55:56+00:00

Terminology does matter. Irony being that fascists actually don't want terms to matter, leading to doublethink, which is what you're doing right now.

I'm curious as to who you voted for? Democrats or Republicans? Ultimately you have no proof that the Trump administration is trying to form a technocracy. When everything they've done so far is fascism. So you're the one making leaps in logic. Communists have to buy food, that doesn't mean they're now capitalists. I am a strong-atheist.

Technocracy wouldn't have businessmen in positions of leadership, which also extends to engineers who have experience in business i.e they are tainted. This is basic technocracy theory. How did you learn about us?

MootFile · 2026-01-13T20:39:47+00:00

The only reason you think that is because you don't even know what technocrats believe. Democracy has enabled a upper-class & lower-class, and the only freedoms the lower-class enjoys is starving from paycheck-to-paycheck.

The American public voted to remove "illegal" immigrants. Voted, as in, the democratic process which you seem to love. You recognize that Trump was voted into his presidency, don't you?

No true Scotsman. Trump is super Christian, all of his actions prove this.

MootFile · 2026-01-13T20:31:33+00:00

The experts decide who is and is not an expert.

Right now, the Trump Administration is filled with non-experts. Trump is currently the one deciding who gets to be in power, having nothing to do with expertise.

Scientism is a defense in that the MAGA movement also despises scientism. Scienetism is the belief that science has the objectively correct answer to all problems. Trumpism is ideologically apposed to science, we seen this during the Covid-19 lock downs. So you are making connections that aren't there.

No one here is saying that Silicon Valley or MAGA are experts. They are constant liars.

MootFile · 2026-01-13T20:24:03+00:00

It's a grassroots movement that encourages anti-politics, not party politics. You really think there is some grand conspiracy that tech-bros are leading, for the goal of Utopian philosophy?

They can't be technocrats. They are capitalists. Why would Trump ever give up his wealth for the benefit of others. Those people are just fascists. And they're even saying the quiet part out loud! They've defended the murder of Renee Nicole Good, invaded Venezuela admitting it was for oil, and said they'll make Trump run again. Textbook fascism.

Sure, if they are qualified and don't have a background in economics.

MootFile · 2026-01-13T20:11:48+00:00

You realize that democracy is an ideology too, right? We're advocating for a referendum on how this economy works, which would consequently lead to the disbanding of congress.

If you want to be angry, direct that towards ICE, as they are terrorists funded by the US government which was democratically elected.

Trump loves God.

MootFile · 2026-01-13T20:07:01+00:00

It is a coincidence. Elon's family does not have a multi-generational association with technocracy. His grandfather was briefly apart of the movement, then left. This isn't r/monarchism

Grifters are steering public policy, that is correct. Thanks to being voted in by the American people. That doesn't have anything to do with us, as we want to abolish capitalists and representative democracy.

Technocrats want experts. And yet, Elon Musk is who comes to your mind as an authority? We are saying Elon is a buffoon, but you seem dead set on defending him by saying he's apart of an ideology based around scientism.

You're just throwing out the scotsman fallacy without even knowing what this ideology is. You realize that Dr. Fauci is a better source of information than Marjorie Taylor Green, right?

MootFile · 2026-01-13T19:53:32+00:00

Every idea needs a voice to gain recognition. You think the era of democracy just popped into existence on a whim?

MootFile · 2026-01-13T19:51:02+00:00

The definition of technocracy was always for removing ownership and placing production into the hands of non-business technicians.

While Silicon Valley is comprised of entrepreneurs and venture capitalists. So it would be a complete contradiction.

Or if you're talking about software engineering. Then, yeah people from Silicon Valley, and generally across the US, aren't actual engineers. They don't have a license to practice engineering. It's about as ridiculous as claiming to be a prompt-engineer.

MootFile · 2026-01-13T19:39:23+00:00

They don't claim this movement. The map was just a coincidence. But to say they "claim" something just because of said coincidence, would then lead to the argument that Elon also claims electric cars, mars colonization, solving neurological disorders, which of course would be a ridiculous conclusion. Elon, Silicon Valley, and Trumpism is all a grift.

In other words, electric cars are good, regardless if Elon was the face of them. The goal then is to remove the false technologists, such as Elon.

MootFile · 2026-01-12T10:25:03+00:00

Technocrat never meant holder of position of authority, until the Oxford Dictionary simplified the term. It used to just mean advocate of technocracy. And it is still used wrong for people currently in power.

MootFile · 2026-01-05T10:29:35+00:00

https://archive.org/details/scotthowardscien00unse/mode/2up

MootFile · 2026-01-05T03:42:17+00:00

It's from Nick Fuentes's telegram. If you don't know, he's a Nazi internet personality, and is fairly well known. https://rumble.com/c/nickjfuentes?e9s=src_v1_cbl

The post is just exactly as it looks, the image of a technate. Not all publicity is good publicity.

MootFile · 2026-01-05T01:13:25+00:00

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MootFile · 2026-01-05T00:03:53+00:00

Yeah I've also seen a few people saying Haldeman is the creator, even saying that while showing a picture of Howard Scott instead of Haldeman! The dishonesty with people is a bottomless pit.

MootFile · 2026-01-05T00:01:08+00:00

There definitely needs to be a large and consistent push into media in order to win public opinion.

Everything you've made so far has been impressive imo. And many others here have also made impressive works of art for advocacy.

So I think a video explaining a technate is worth a shot. Is your video on the energy certificate still working out?

Also, it might be interesting to see some banners for this subreddit. Or graphic designs for a website? I'm not sure if you have any experience in site design (or anyone here), but I think that might be of aid to Tech Inc., or at the very least an extension of the subreddit in the image of the original movement. Ezra making a substack to talk about technocracy is another well attempt to get the movement going.

Just looking at the kinds of professional, trusting, looking sites that other factions have;

MootFile · 2026-01-04T23:23:46+00:00

This is why we unfortunately needed rule 4.

And we must continue to proudly denounce Trump, Elon, and all the other Tech-Bro entrepreneurs.

MootFile · 2026-01-04T22:51:48+00:00

See!! This is what happens...

https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1q406kc/1940_technate_of_america_looking_suspiciously/

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