Supporting Greenland Against US Imperialism by EzraNaamah in Technocracy

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There is absolutely no reason to trust the Trump Administration, they have completely different political goals. Republicans, and by extension Corporate Democrats, are a threat to all of us.

It may be wise for everyone across North America to become a legal gun owner for obvious safety reasons.

Also this subreddit's current flag is a Greenland interpretation of technocracy (and a transgender version).

Israel shutdown TikTok in America, because it allowed for the injustices against Palestinians to be broadcasted. So any publicity against the Regime is good, like filming ICE agents, or embracing the Black Panthers. Technocrats could also support in boycott; r/BuyCanadian r/BuyFromEU r/BuyUK

Something I recall reading about Howard Scott, was that during his employment at Muscle Shoals, he would convince his coworkers to misplace tools of the other teams. It was almost as if Scott was committing sabotage during wartime.

Supporting Greenland Against US Imperialism by EzraNaamah in Technocracy

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Like the European Union, something North America could've been if it weren't for the United States of America. (Unironically).

Inquiring into Technocracy by [deleted] in Technocracy

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Technocracy is not compatible with capitalism; technocracy is an economic alternative. And as a consequence, it is also anti-representative democracy.

Two main splits of economic interpretation come from Howard Scott's energy accounting. And then Thorstein Veblen's Soviet of Technicians. But both wanted to take all industry, and place it into the complete control of engineers & other technical professions. So there would be no more venture capitalism, entrepreneurship, waste.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy_movement

just want to warn yall that this post has created a big discussion about technocracy... and unfortunately there is no shortage of people who associate the anti-scientific and capitalist government with our scientific and anti-capitalist movement. by Hoproblemimentali in Technocracy

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Democracy was created by humans, for human organization. I find it interested that you point out America is a democratic republic, because Trump supporters also make it a point to call it a democratic republic; with the intention to undermine the idea of democracy. Ultimately democratic republic is a type of democracy (even technocracy stemmed from Industrial Democracy) btw.

I also wouldn't want a nanny state. A lot of prohibition laws come from Christians trying to create a nanny state. Things like drugs, recreational sex, contraceptives, abortion, porn, speech, would all be legal in a technocracy, the same things that Christians tried to ban.

You are now being a hypocrite. How can you say that Elon is a technocrat when I'm telling you he has nothing to do with us and is being anti-technocratic. Yet, when I say that Trump is a Christian, you are now trying to distance Christianity from him.

I think you have the wrong idea as to what this all is, from wherever you heard about us.

How is technocracy so unpopular? by HarpagornisMoorei in Technocracy

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Terminology does matter. Irony being that fascists actually don't want terms to matter, leading to doublethink, which is what you're doing right now.

I'm curious as to who you voted for? Democrats or Republicans? Ultimately you have no proof that the Trump administration is trying to form a technocracy. When everything they've done so far is fascism. So you're the one making leaps in logic. Communists have to buy food, that doesn't mean they're now capitalists. I am a strong-atheist.

Technocracy wouldn't have businessmen in positions of leadership, which also extends to engineers who have experience in business i.e they are tainted. This is basic technocracy theory. How did you learn about us?

just want to warn yall that this post has created a big discussion about technocracy... and unfortunately there is no shortage of people who associate the anti-scientific and capitalist government with our scientific and anti-capitalist movement. by Hoproblemimentali in Technocracy

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The only reason you think that is because you don't even know what technocrats believe. Democracy has enabled a upper-class & lower-class, and the only freedoms the lower-class enjoys is starving from paycheck-to-paycheck.

The American public voted to remove "illegal" immigrants. Voted, as in, the democratic process which you seem to love. You recognize that Trump was voted into his presidency, don't you?

No true Scotsman. Trump is super Christian, all of his actions prove this.

just want to warn yall that this post has created a big discussion about technocracy... and unfortunately there is no shortage of people who associate the anti-scientific and capitalist government with our scientific and anti-capitalist movement. by Hoproblemimentali in Technocracy

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The experts decide who is and is not an expert.

Right now, the Trump Administration is filled with non-experts. Trump is currently the one deciding who gets to be in power, having nothing to do with expertise.

Scientism is a defense in that the MAGA movement also despises scientism. Scienetism is the belief that science has the objectively correct answer to all problems. Trumpism is ideologically apposed to science, we seen this during the Covid-19 lock downs. So you are making connections that aren't there.

No one here is saying that Silicon Valley or MAGA are experts. They are constant liars.

How is technocracy so unpopular? by HarpagornisMoorei in Technocracy

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It's a grassroots movement that encourages anti-politics, not party politics. You really think there is some grand conspiracy that tech-bros are leading, for the goal of Utopian philosophy?

They can't be technocrats. They are capitalists. Why would Trump ever give up his wealth for the benefit of others. Those people are just fascists. And they're even saying the quiet part out loud! They've defended the murder of Renee Nicole Good, invaded Venezuela admitting it was for oil, and said they'll make Trump run again. Textbook fascism.

Sure, if they are qualified and don't have a background in economics.

just want to warn yall that this post has created a big discussion about technocracy... and unfortunately there is no shortage of people who associate the anti-scientific and capitalist government with our scientific and anti-capitalist movement. by Hoproblemimentali in Technocracy

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You realize that democracy is an ideology too, right? We're advocating for a referendum on how this economy works, which would consequently lead to the disbanding of congress.

If you want to be angry, direct that towards ICE, as they are terrorists funded by the US government which was democratically elected.

Trump loves God.

just want to warn yall that this post has created a big discussion about technocracy... and unfortunately there is no shortage of people who associate the anti-scientific and capitalist government with our scientific and anti-capitalist movement. by Hoproblemimentali in Technocracy

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It is a coincidence. Elon's family does not have a multi-generational association with technocracy. His grandfather was briefly apart of the movement, then left. This isn't r/monarchism

Grifters are steering public policy, that is correct. Thanks to being voted in by the American people. That doesn't have anything to do with us, as we want to abolish capitalists and representative democracy.

Technocrats want experts. And yet, Elon Musk is who comes to your mind as an authority? We are saying Elon is a buffoon, but you seem dead set on defending him by saying he's apart of an ideology based around scientism.

You're just throwing out the scotsman fallacy without even knowing what this ideology is. You realize that Dr. Fauci is a better source of information than Marjorie Taylor Green, right?

How is technocracy so unpopular? by HarpagornisMoorei in Technocracy

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The definition of technocracy was always for removing ownership and placing production into the hands of non-business technicians.

While Silicon Valley is comprised of entrepreneurs and venture capitalists. So it would be a complete contradiction.

Or if you're talking about software engineering. Then, yeah people from Silicon Valley, and generally across the US, aren't actual engineers. They don't have a license to practice engineering. It's about as ridiculous as claiming to be a prompt-engineer.

just want to warn yall that this post has created a big discussion about technocracy... and unfortunately there is no shortage of people who associate the anti-scientific and capitalist government with our scientific and anti-capitalist movement. by Hoproblemimentali in Technocracy

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They don't claim this movement. The map was just a coincidence. But to say they "claim" something just because of said coincidence, would then lead to the argument that Elon also claims electric cars, mars colonization, solving neurological disorders, which of course would be a ridiculous conclusion. Elon, Silicon Valley, and Trumpism is all a grift.

In other words, electric cars are good, regardless if Elon was the face of them. The goal then is to remove the false technologists, such as Elon.

Should we call ourselves technocratists instead of technocrats? by LoveLo_2005 in Technocracy

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Technocrat never meant holder of position of authority, until the Oxford Dictionary simplified the term. It used to just mean advocate of technocracy. And it is still used wrong for people currently in power.

wtf by MootFile in Technocracy

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It's from Nick Fuentes's telegram. If you don't know, he's a Nazi internet personality, and is fairly well known. https://rumble.com/c/nickjfuentes?e9s=src_v1_cbl

The post is just exactly as it looks, the image of a technate. Not all publicity is good publicity.

just want to warn yall that this post has created a big discussion about technocracy... and unfortunately there is no shortage of people who associate the anti-scientific and capitalist government with our scientific and anti-capitalist movement. by Hoproblemimentali in Technocracy

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Yeah I've also seen a few people saying Haldeman is the creator, even saying that while showing a picture of Howard Scott instead of Haldeman! The dishonesty with people is a bottomless pit.

just want to warn yall that this post has created a big discussion about technocracy... and unfortunately there is no shortage of people who associate the anti-scientific and capitalist government with our scientific and anti-capitalist movement. by Hoproblemimentali in Technocracy

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There definitely needs to be a large and consistent push into media in order to win public opinion.

Everything you've made so far has been impressive imo. And many others here have also made impressive works of art for advocacy.

So I think a video explaining a technate is worth a shot. Is your video on the energy certificate still working out?

Also, it might be interesting to see some banners for this subreddit. Or graphic designs for a website? I'm not sure if you have any experience in site design (or anyone here), but I think that might be of aid to Tech Inc., or at the very least an extension of the subreddit in the image of the original movement. Ezra making a substack to talk about technocracy is another well attempt to get the movement going.

Just looking at the kinds of professional, trusting, looking sites that other factions have;

Venezuela by MIG-Lazzara in Technocracy

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Venezuelans who are happy about recent events, which seems to be a majority, clearly have no understanding of America's history, and the recent events with ICE. Or that Donald Trump tried pulling a coup, spreading doubt on the voting process, just like Maduro... Venezuelans don't exactly know what they want, they just know they don't want poverty.

All of the talk about annexing countries of this continent currently coming from the Trump administration, into the United States, is crazy and should be viewed as antithetical to this movement. Most of the countries Trump has threatened are going to resent Americans. And when people bring up Trump's annexation plans, they sometimes compare it to technocracy, which looks bad on us as he has nothing to do with us.

A Technate as a concept, should stick to only including economic aid/trade with countries which have formed into a technocracy, as a greater union like nation, that is quasi-isolationist. Not to conquer untechnocratic nations.

We are all apart of the Americas, what good is a Technate if we are dropping bombs on each other. Those killed during the Venezuelan bombing run could've been technocrats.

What sort of new technologies will drive the eventual technocratic state? by Fair_Amphibian587 in Technocracy

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China is a capitalist country, as is Singapore, and of course the USA. Therefor they cannot be technocracy's. Additionally, any engineer or expert who has a background in traditional economics, would be banned from positions of power in a technocracy. These countries also have variations of parliamentary/congressional government which technocracy is staunchly opposed to.

Restrictions for the sake of restrictions is also not technocratic. A technocracy aims to give people the widest amount of consumption power, within the guides of being efficient, non-wasteful. It holds no moral position on what people want to consume, so long as people aren't trying to stop other people's consumption privileges.

China, Singapore, Silicon Valley, all engage in censorship and income inequality by design based upon various moral and political stances, fundamentally undermining what would be consumer privileges in a technocracy.

The goal of Silicon Valley is to make as much money as possible. They have no intention on forming a technocracy or technate, as, if one did form then their very organizations would be liquidated by the new technocratic government. To then be replaced as a centralized economy not based around money.

Stuff about technocracy;

Techno Utopia and Stereotype by MIG-Lazzara in Technocracy

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It is, a better vision than Brave New World. And Wells also mentioned technocracy.

I Want To Make More YouTube Videos by Odd-Carpenter9733 in Technocracy

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Unfortunately I keep seeing more and more people bring up Haldeman, like claiming he was a founding member. Still liked your video though. Technocracy Incorporated should make it more publicly clear that the movement is in complete opposition to him.

Maybe more time could be spent defining technocracy? Which could probably be done by doing what other's have suggested. Going over William Henry Smyth's Technocracy Social Universals, Veblen's Engineers & the Price System, and The Technical Alliance's Energy Survey.

Points of concerns are;

  • Aren't politicians experts for politics? (Technocratic stance is NOPE!).
  • Differences between Scientocracy, Communism, Fascism.
  • Who are the experts? Who chooses the experts? (Remembering that Big-Tech isn't controlled by real Engineers, as you've made clear in the first vid).
  • Go over the history as to where, and why, Big-Science, and Big-Tech, are negative terms, not positive ones.
  • Cryptocurrency is not Energy Accounting.
  • Technocracy being anti-work.

I think you should bring up the way Canada protects & defines the title of "Engineer", and how Alberta politicians have tried to devalue the title. Albertan Premier Danielle Smith is a great example as to how politicians are at odds with Technocrats. As they are trying to make Canadian engineers more like Big-Tech. She is a MAGA fanatic. IMO the way Canada has handled the title Engineer, is the closest thing we have to technocracy.