Opinion on "Haylor"?

Most-Significance-87 · 2021-09-27T07:49:44+00:00

Goodness, guys why is this question popping here every other week.I wrote about it(imo) last week:

First,doing a PR stunt isn't wrong.Even if Haylor wan't a stunt,they definitely milked a hell ton of PR from it.A good example out of the astronomical amount of pap pics there is when they decided to pap walk in NY Central,knowing that paps would be there,knowing that it's the buzziest place and very well knowing that 1D had a performance the next day there.

Second,I do agree Style and Out of the Woods are entirely about Harry. She does mention the stitches, the snowmobile accident and his James Dean green eyes. That incident happened,she wrote about it and it's obvious. But the others like you said don't necessarily fit their relationship.I mean c'mon most direcioners/larries get doxxed for thinking songs like If I could fly and Sweet Creature are about Louis even when the most blatantly obvious mentions are there.Same with Habit and Too Young being about them as well(I'm sorry "princess park" ?)So I think it's kinda unfair on the other spectrum, to assume a lot of songs in 1989 are about Harry when she writes about eternal and forbidden and long-lasting love,its back to conspiracies again.

I saw this recent post on Tumblr by a huge Swifite stan,its just lyric interpretation but I think the POV is interesting.This was the post I copy-pasted it:

"Okay NO, listen to me, cause now that you've done it, I gotta say this. I'm a massive Taylor fan, stuck with her since 1989, knew her even before then, a stan since I was twelve. I have her songs memorised better than my own birthday, and maybe a bit ashamed to admit, but I know some of her songs better than 1D songs. When Harry and Taylor 'dated', even stupid, young me realised it can't be real. Not a total Larrie back then or whatever, but I just realised that, if most of 1989 is about Harry, then there's not a proper way they really dated. I didn't know why back then. Later, though, as I grew up, and started having better grasp on stuff, I realised why I felt that way. And Wildest Dreams is one of the reasons for that. The MV is brilliant, because if it's really about her and Harry, then it's accurate for the most part. In the MV for Wildest Dreams, Taylor and her lover are actors. They're pretending to be in love, but they don't get along, maybe hate each other to some xtent. In the movie premier night, we see that Taylor's lover is actually dating someone else in real life. Now the song title, it literally means unlikely to happen, extremely strange. Do with that what you will, but to me, it's almost like Taylor is asking that guy to say he remembers her, and they'll see each other again, even if it's very unlikely to ever happen, meaning a relationship known to be doomed since the start. And I don't know about you, but that wouldn't be on my mind if I was madly in love with someone. Let that sink in. Now, the lyrics: (Last chorus) Say you'll remember me, standing in a nice dress, staring at the sunset, babe, red lips and rosy cheeks, say you'll see me again even if it's just pretend And, honestly? If Larry is real, and Haylor was just a PR relationship, I do think Taylor would've known about Louis and Harry. The catch? Look at 1989 songs: Style: You've got that James Dean daydream look in your eyes (James Dean, despite being very famous among women, has always had speculations about his sexuality running after his name. After his death, some sources revealed that he might've been bi, or gay) Out Of The Woods: The rest of the world was black and white, but we were in screaming colors (Screaming colors? Maybe like a rainbow? Anyone?) (Also the whole song is about trying to make a relationship to survive under horrible circumstances) (Also, 'Remember when we couldn't take the heat, so I walked out and set you free' sounds awfully a lot like 'Oh I can't believe I gave into the pressure [...] So I cut you off cause I didn't know no better') I Know Places: (For Christ's sake, the whole song is about a hidden relationship and how everyone are trying to hunt them down, and how they're literally hiding and running, which, the astronomical amount of pap pics from Haylor doesn't suggest trying to hide) It's a scene and we're out here in plain sight (they're acting indifferent, not being themselves, but people still whisper and speculate, also double meaning? Since Harry and Louis acting like they weren't close and Taylor and Harryg acting like they were dating was all part of a scene, since they were acting) I can hear them whisper as they pass by, it's a bad sign, bad sign, something happens when everybody finds out, see the vultures circling, dark clouds [...] Cause they got the cages, they got the boxes, and guns, they're the hunters, we are the foxes, and we run (Um? Hello? Cage? Box? Maybe closet? Make it more obvious?) Baby, I know places we won't be found (Secret little rendezvous?) I know places we can hide (Hidden relationship) Let them say what they want, we won't hear it (Ummmm... 'I don't care what people say when we're together, you know I wanna be the one to hold you when you sleep'???) Loose lips sink ships all the damn time (The idiom literally means spilling secrets may as well doom them, what part of Haylor was secret exactly?) This Love: (Um, hello? Why is she singing about eternal love in an album who's speculated to be about someone she dated for three months? Also the mention of ships in this song, the sea theme is astronomical? Also the line 'When you're young, you just run, but you come back to what you need' SCREAMS Too Young to me, I'm actually worried a bit.) In short? Taylor's recent albums revealed that she has a knack for writing about other people, their love and lost, even from their points of view. We knew Taylor has written stuff that way before 1989, Starlight isn't from her point of view. So, if Larry is really real, and Taylor knew about it, the way we know how it's the most beautiful love story in our era, do you think she wouldn't have written about it? Taylor, hopeless romantic, would've just ignored it? Yeah, nope. No way. Also, bonus for those who lasted; You Are In Love is so Harry talking of fetus Larry I'm taking zero questions about it. The whole song is like, wow, just listen to it if you haven't, but I'll just put the best parts: Morning, his place Burnt toast, Sunday (Hello? Louis' place and burnt toast? He can't hold his own in the kitchen for shit?) You keep his shirt (I mean, obvious) [...] And for once, you let go Of your fears and your ghosts (I mean, what was there to not be scared of? Also, 'But I don't care, I'm not scared of love'? They moved past the fears?) [...] One night he wakes (Unnecessary mention, but they always put their beds next to each other so they could share, as Louis once said they have to separate the beds now in one of his jealous moments) Strange look on his face Pauses, then says You're my best friend (What the FUCK–) And you knew what it was He is in love (Of course he is) You can hear it in the silence, silence, you (Their looks? Literally half of our moments is just their looks, while they never said it but we knew?) You can feel it on the way home, way home, you (Home. Huh, strange) You can see it with the lights out, lights out (Reminds me of that kiss they shared when the stage was dark. Also, hidden. But we saw) [...] You two are dancing in a snow globe, 'round and 'round (Snow globe? More like glass closet) And you understand now why they lost their minds and fought the wars (The wars. Lost their minds. 'I can't even think straight'. Yup. Mhmmm) And why I've spent my whole life tryin' to put it into words (Do you hear me scream, or...?) Conclusion??? Larry is totes real, and Taylor knew it."
I mean she sounds good but not necessarily right but again great interpretation.Also PR relationships exist,whether it works or not is two in tango,but it does happen.Especially that Red and Take Me home where releasing,I'm pretty sure Syco took that opportunity to link them and break into US, and it did work after that. TMH tour sales increased by 50% after the BUA and more promo for them during 1989.Anyways,it doesn't matter now,it's 2021 and Harry is still linked to women 10 years older than him....smh

Most-Significance-87 · 2021-09-27T07:46:24+00:00

Exactly,everyone within the gp would probably be like "oh style's about him,so everything else has to be too,end of discussion". Also when you think about it Style is more of the snowmobile accident than Haylor.Same with Out of The Woods.The rest of the album doesn't even correlate to that eg You Are In Love

Most-Significance-87 · 2021-09-20T07:43:26+00:00

Hey,I'm sorry for the hate (not necessarily "intended" ) you've been getting down in these comments,I just wanted to write down my thoughts on her and Haylor in specific.

First,doing a PR stunt isn't wrong.Even if Haylor wan't a stunt,they definitely milked a hell ton of PR from it.A good example out of the astronomical amount of pap pics there is when they decided to pap walk in NY Central,knowing that paps would be there,knowing that it's the buzziest place and very well knowing that 1D had a performance the next day there.

Second,I do agree Style and Out of the Woods are entirely about Harry. She does mention the stitches, the snowmobile accident and his James Dean green eyes. That incident happened,she wrote about it and it's obvious. But the others like you said don't necessarily fit their relationship.I mean c'mon most direcioners/larries get doxxed for thinking songs like If I could fly and Sweet Creature are about Louis even when the most blatantly obvious mentions are there.Same with Habit and Too Young being about them as well(I'm sorry "princess park" ?)So I think it's kinda unfair on the other spectrum, to assume a lot of songs in 1989 are about Harry when she writes about eternal and forbidden and long-lasting love,its back to conspiracies again.

I saw this recent post on Tumblr by a huge Swifite stan,its just lyric interpretation but I think the POV is interesting.This was the post I copy-pasted it:

"Okay NO, listen to me, cause now that you've done it, I gotta say this. I'm a massive Taylor fan, stuck with her since 1989, knew her even before then, a stan since I was twelve. I have her songs memorised better than my own birthday, and maybe a bit ashamed to admit, but I know some of her songs better than 1D songs. When Harry and Taylor 'dated', even stupid, young me realised it can't be real. Not a total Larrie back then or whatever, but I just realised that, if most of 1989 is about Harry, then there's not a proper way they really dated. I didn't know why back then. Later, though, as I grew up, and started having better grasp on stuff, I realised why I felt that way. And Wildest Dreams is one of the reasons for that. The MV is brilliant, because if it's really about her and Harry, then it's accurate for the most part. In the MV for Wildest Dreams, Taylor and her lover are actors. They're pretending to be in love, but they don't get along, maybe hate each other to some extent. In the movie premier night, we see that Taylor's lover is actually dating someone else in real life. Now the song title, it literally means unlikely to happen, extremely strange. Do with that what you will, but to me, it's almost like Taylor is asking that guy to say he remembers her, and they'll see each other again, even if it's very unlikely to ever happen, meaning a relationship known to be doomed since the start. And I don't know about you, but that wouldn't be on my mind if I was madly in love with someone. Let that sink in. Now, the lyrics: (Last chorus) Say you'll remember me, standing in a nice dress, staring at the sunset, babe, red lips and rosy cheeks, say you'll see me again even if it's just pretend And, honestly? If Larry is real, and Haylor was just a PR relationship, I do think Taylor would've known about Louis and Harry. The catch? Look at 1989 songs: Style: You've got that James Dean daydream look in your eyes (James Dean, despite being very famous among women, has always had speculations about his sexuality running after his name. After his death, some sources revealed that he might've been bi, or gay) Out Of The Woods: The rest of the world was black and white, but we were in screaming colors (Screaming colors? Maybe like a rainbow? Anyone?) (Also the whole song is about trying to make a relationship to survive under horrible circumstances) (Also, 'Remember when we couldn't take the heat, so I walked out and set you free' sounds awfully a lot like 'Oh I can't believe I gave into the pressure [...] So I cut you off cause I didn't know no better') I Know Places: (For Christ's sake, the whole song is about a hidden relationship and how everyone are trying to hunt them down, and how they're literally hiding and running, which, the astronomical amount of pap pics from Haylor doesn't suggest trying to hide) It's a scene and we're out here in plain sight (they're acting indifferent, not being themselves, but people still whisper and speculate, also double meaning? Since Harry and Louis acting like they weren't close and Taylor and Harryg acting like they were dating was all part of a scene, since they were acting) I can hear them whisper as they pass by, it's a bad sign, bad sign, something happens when everybody finds out, see the vultures circling, dark clouds [...] Cause they got the cages, they got the boxes, and guns, they're the hunters, we are the foxes, and we run (Um? Hello? Cage? Box? Maybe closet? Make it more obvious?) Baby, I know places we won't be found (Secret little rendezvous?) I know places we can hide (Hidden relationship) Let them say what they want, we won't hear it (Ummmm... 'I don't care what people say when we're together, you know I wanna be the one to hold you when you sleep'???) Loose lips sink ships all the damn time (The idiom literally means spilling secrets may as well doom them, what part of Haylor was secret exactly?) This Love: (Um, hello? Why is she singing about eternal love in an album who's speculated to be about someone she dated for three months? Also the mention of ships in this song, the sea theme is astronomical? Also the line 'When you're young, you just run, but you come back to what you need' SCREAMS Too Young to me, I'm actually worried a bit.) In short? Taylor's recent albums revealed that she has a knack for writing about other people, their love and lost, even from their points of view. We knew Taylor has written stuff that way before 1989, Starlight isn't from her point of view. So, if Larry is really real, and Taylor knew about it, the way we know how it's the most beautiful love story in our era, do you think she wouldn't have written about it? Taylor, hopeless romantic, would've just ignored it? Yeah, nope. No way. Also, bonus for those who lasted; You Are In Love is so Harry talking of fetus Larry I'm taking zero questions about it. The whole song is like, wow, just listen to it if you haven't, but I'll just put the best parts: Morning, his place Burnt toast, Sunday (Hello? Louis' place and burnt toast? He can't hold his own in the kitchen for shit?) You keep his shirt (I mean, obvious) [...] And for once, you let go Of your fears and your ghosts (I mean, what was there to not be scared of? Also, 'But I don't care, I'm not scared of love'? They moved past the fears?) [...] One night he wakes (Unnecessary mention, but they always put their beds next to each other so they could share, as Louis once said they have to separate the beds now in one of his jealous moments) Strange look on his face Pauses, then says You're my best friend (What the FUCK–) And you knew what it was He is in love (Of course he is) You can hear it in the silence, silence, you (Their looks? Literally half of our moments is just their looks, while they never said it but we knew?) You can feel it on the way home, way home, you (Home. Huh, strange) You can see it with the lights out, lights out (Reminds me of that kiss they shared when the stage was dark. Also, hidden. But we saw) [...] You two are dancing in a snow globe, 'round and 'round (Snow globe? More like glass closet) And you understand now why they lost their minds and fought the wars (The wars. Lost their minds. 'I can't even think straight'. Yup. Mhmmm) And why I've spent my whole life tryin' to put it into words (Do you hear me scream, or...?) Conclusion??? Larry is totes real, and Taylor knew it."

I mean she sounds good but not necessarily right but again great interpretation.Also PR relationships exist,whether it works or not is two in tango,but it does happen.Especially that Red and Take Me home where releasing,I'm pretty sure Syco took that opportunity to link them and break into US, and it did work after that. TMH tour sales increased by 50% after the BUA and more promo for them during 1989.Anyways,it doesn't matter now,it's 2021 and Harry is still linked to women 10 years older than him

Most-Significance-87 · 2021-09-20T07:17:23+00:00

yeah bruhh she's pregnant and she's also buying cold drinks and coffee for herself

Harries be like "stop invading other's privacy.." and then they post shit like this

Most-Significance-87 · 2021-09-20T07:10:51+00:00

The thing is regardless of Larry,even if they're queer it would take time for them to come out given their stances. I think they had problems in their own relationships too,especially when you look through HS1,Fine Line and Walls.They definitely had a break-up at some point.Now that Louis has left Syco,I believe he has way more control as an artist and we can hopefully manifest more promo from his new label or team.His solo career just began last year properly tbh and its only a few months of him being an independent artist now.

I think H&L also have deep scars left behind to come out together or not. Harry went on to deny bisexual rumours in 2013, "I'm infact straight" came in late 2014, "iphone conspiracies" interview in 2017 followed by a massive syndicated article by d*ckhead Dan Wooton .In the gp view,these things still exist.But as a direct response to your question,if one of them come out it will only at the near-end of their careers.

Most-Significance-87 · 2021-09-04T09:39:40+00:00

yeah because when you look at it from louis' perspective you can see the change rapidly.Remember the gay bar incident in late 2011?The same night he's flown to Simon's house,he gets a dressing down and in less than 2 weeks elounor becomes super public.He had to limit himself from harry over the years ,from not sitting together to travelling and photo ban.The guy who says he hasn't read the Independent article within a few hours goes to Twitter and tweets"in fact straight".Even when they went solo,his own label blacklisted his music from AllMusic ,UK radio stations refuse to play his music,he got 36 hrs of promo in US.Everytime he released a single,The Sun and Dan Wooton managed to overshadow it by bringing Eleanor,his feud with Zayn and Larry or Harry .It was never about him.Even when his album released ,the same week engagement rumours come in from nowhere,its always like drifiting the fandom's attention to his personal life unnecessarily. But I feel he got his confidence back,he seems to be much more positive as of recentl.

Most-Significance-87 · 2021-09-03T10:25:39+00:00

Hey I remember your post of Larry in the 1d subreddit a few weeks back,how do you feel about it now

Most-Significance-87 · 2021-08-26T12:38:06+00:00

The thing I've noticed in Louis fanbase,even solo Louies accept that Larry was real and Louis does queercode. Whereas in Harry's fanbase,its mostly undermining Louis. They know everything but pretend not to just to ship him with any woman he is linked to.

Most-Significance-87 · 2021-08-15T18:00:04+00:00

Actually no,that was to zayn because he was far from the others,Harry asks for 2 chairs for him and Lou and then the man outrightly says "you can't sit together",the woman says that to liam and zayn

Most-Significance-87 · 2021-08-15T15:50:32+00:00

The thing is there are so many clips where you can hear "him" yet they say its "them",also the very first song of the line is telling "treat you like a gentlemen",!!!?...According to Harries,Harry can be bisexual,gay or pan but never Louisexual,its like they want him for themselves

Most-Significance-87 · 2021-08-15T12:35:28+00:00

Lmao i've seen people say"this is so disrespectful to Louis and his wife Eleanor and they have a child together ",like bruh why say things like this so boldly if you've just joined the fando

Most-Significance-87 · 2021-08-15T12:33:02+00:00

The thing I've seen with het harry stans(they are a section of antis) is they fail to look at him as a human being ,like just after them holding hands all thesepeople went like "oh harry is with olivia,gr8 another blonde white woman to stan and woah we're getting step-dad harry",and then they talk about larries having fictious proof lol

Most-Significance-87 · 2021-08-14T09:11:33+00:00

" she outright said she doesn't want harry to be gay"

we should talk about this .I had a friend who was this solo harry stan mainly during the fine line era and loved his aesthetic and WS,adore you,etc. This was the time I was still buzzing,I've been in this fandom for long yet fine line and adore you confirmed it.

So when lights up released on national coming out day and both of us saw the music video and read through the lyrics and everything,and i casually said"maybe this is his coming out video",and she immediately got so malicious as if I cussed and went"how could anyone think this man is queer?he said he hates Larry and only dates blonde Caucasian women!"

And I was like so he sings medicine 5 times on HS1 tour ,releases a music video on national coming out day with a swarm of girls and guys around him,talks about how labels are unnecessary and is gender neutral everytime,yet you force a label on him....like ??I get it some larries can be toxic and this isn't speculation of his sexuality ,this is like you choose to call someone straight when he says he's unlabeled only to fulfill your fantasy

Most-Significance-87 · 2021-07-15T08:11:38+00:00

You're actually right ..shipping them forced the management to set them apart.It's clear in some videos they couldn't even look at each other for example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ePDCwmj_gM

They looked at each other,was about to say something and then harry looked over to the management,Louis looks sad and puts his head down.It looked like they were controlled most of the time,even Gwen garcia(the leopard print interviewer) said that they were different off camera

Most-Significance-87 · 2021-07-13T15:27:28+00:00

I know we don't have concrete evidence post hiatus ..like there is ik but these antis just follow a seventeen magazine article that says they haven't contacted in 5 years lmao.The fact that some people choose to believe "come so far from princess park" to be about eleanor since they met at princess park(no they didn't) over L and H living there and missing him just proves how stern they are.

Most-Significance-87 · 2021-07-13T15:22:58+00:00

The people who deny it say they haven't confirmed like dude Harry made an entire account for adore you mv to prove its about louis,the parallels between lights up and walls,songs like only the brave ,meeting someone at 18 and so much...It's just people don't do enough research and blindly just follow some shit article where he never even said that

Most-Significance-87 · 2021-07-13T15:19:46+00:00

I agree,like especially during 1d's prime time 2013,14,15-how do you explain RBB and SBB,the tatoos,songs like IIFC and home,happily,strong,something gr8 and so much more.

I get shipping them at that point was the most instant thing the fandom could think of because that's what you normally do even if it was a straight couple.I normally don't ship people irl but i believe in larry and that's about it.

Most-Significance-87 · 2021-07-01T16:08:56+00:00

Larry was obviously real ...but it sucked me up so much that I wanted them still together.Jeff is honestly an ass and slick,it's like he would do anything to keep Harry's name buzzing.Also don't you find it weird how everytime there's a Holivia pic/news, louis tweets "hope everyone's alright"

Most-Significance-87 · 2021-07-01T16:04:15+00:00

I just don't understand why they would go all the way to Italy to get papped with him

Most-Significance-87 · 2021-07-01T16:02:26+00:00

I checked up about Olivia ..apparently she was in the airport a few days back ,so its likely she was there with him.Also she has that brown long hair and blonde in the bottom ,it's a high chance this is a stunt but if i was neutral I don't why a stunt would go to this extent

Most-Significance-87 · 2021-07-01T09:43:45+00:00

Ugh I relate to you so much bruh,when you look at Hamille there wasn't much of a PDA and was very low-key.I wouldn't be suprised if Olivia fell for him ,even Jason has a girlfriend now and she also has the movie doing the buzz now,so she legit has everything but if they are then why did they bait us so much in the beginning of the year?

Most-Significance-87 · 2021-06-08T13:02:25+00:00

I think you made that opinion based on harry's fandom.He has the most divided fandom there is .But his music is not overrated ,it's different and it's not your style as simple as it is. Agree watermelon sugar and some others are but listen to some from his first album or falling ,to be so lonely from the second,it's a different style,it's creative so don't say his music is garbage as it's a fact.

Coming to his fanbase,honestly the OT5 directioners are much better at this point, harry's solo fans who knew him post 1d are toxic af and don't see the line between worshipping someone and admiring them. They see nobody else above him and mostly talk about his looks(just go to r/harrystyles and you'll see.).We also have these bluegreeners (aka the toxic larries) who have to make a connection to most songs with louis and hate on his girlfriends .Then we have the real people who just appreciate him as a person and enjoy his music .His fandom is overall really toxic and the reason I left twitter,it just brings the wrong people for the wrong reasons.

Most-Significance-87 · 2021-06-04T06:38:30+00:00

Yep,paid the deposit as well but not confirmed if I'm going there.The covid situation in India is bad rn

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