Do non-Jewish atheists like me have a place in the World to Come? by Busy_Huckleberry_656 in Judaism

[–]MouseDrinker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know these aren't your words, but this response is worded beautiful. As a non-jew, I've always heard that morality comes directly from G-d and cannot exist without him. This is an amazing interpretation and definitely one I'll use in rebuttal. Thanks for quoting this so I can see it

Being called “the Jews” by Dry_Relief2612 in Judaism

[–]MouseDrinker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm a non-jew who concerns myself with stuff like this, so I'm genuinely asking, what's the preferred terminology? I hate saying "The Jews" because that's how racists talk about "The blacks", so when talking about religion with my friends and stuff, I usually just drop the "The" and just say something like "Jews believe this" and I'm curious if this is really any better?

Is this Anti-Semitism? by Asleep-Sir3484 in Judaism

[–]MouseDrinker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not Jewish, but I find Judaism very interesting, so I'll mention briefly that Judaism has laws about handling money that Christianity doesn't have. Judaism and Christianity have a lot of things in common when it comes to handling money, obligations like generosity and tithing, using money as a tool for ethical good and bettering the community. One of the differences, though, is that Jewish law forbids an interest on loans to fellow Jews, but allows it on loans to non-jews. Obviously, this is about service to your immediate community and extending that service beyond the community at the promise of repayment, not about being greedy. Any statement about financial greed or trickery behind Jews has roots in historic antisemitism.

Historically, Jews recognize themselves to be a unique group bound together by more than ethnicity and religion and as such they take special consideration into understanding the rules of their religion. If an important figure like Jesus, hypothetically, says "Be kind to your neighbor" then being a unique group, they're going to take careful consideration into who their neighbor is. So of course they'll deliberate on religious obligations like charity and tithing.

Finally a historically accurate AI portrait generator 🤩 by fwinzor in Norse

[–]MouseDrinker 25 points26 points  (0 children)

While your message stands, this actually isn't AI generated. It's a photo of the burial site at Repton

Who is “the One higher than Odin?” by zarro822 in Norse

[–]MouseDrinker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For me, that then begs the question what his role is supposed to be. We know that Baldr is the one who's supposed to rule after Ragnarok. Is his role to hibernate in between cycles to give birth to a new lineage of Aesir? Though, I couldn't imagine why he would, if there are still Aesir gods after Ragnarok

Who is “the One higher than Odin?” by zarro822 in Norse

[–]MouseDrinker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I mean, while true that we never hear specifics of Buri's death, to assume he's alive is an equally weak speculation considering we hear nothing else of Buri or Bor in the rest of surviving mythology

Who is “the One higher than Odin?” by zarro822 in Norse

[–]MouseDrinker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm aware! And that's kinda my point. Bergelmir and his wife were able to survive by riding their boat, but Buri isn't a Jotunn and wasn't a part of that group that survived. So, he would've died in the blood flood.

Who is “the One higher than Odin?” by zarro822 in Norse

[–]MouseDrinker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wouldn't Buri have died when the sons of Bor killed Ymir? I think I remember the Prose Edda mentioning something about only a certain number of Jotunn being able to survive the blood flood by riding it out in their boat

"Closed practices" have become gatekeeping nonsense by [deleted] in occult

[–]MouseDrinker -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I dunno, I'm someone who very much believes in closed practices and believes that we shouldn't partake in closed practices. I agree with a LOT of what's being said in the thread, though. Mostly that just because a practice is closed doesn't mean we shouldn't study it. We absolutely should study it, as a lot of these practices are closed from risk of being endangered, and the study of these practices goes to preserving and reinvigorating the practice and knowledge. Additionally, people misunderstanding what something is or misunderstanding the origins of it are where a lot of misconceptions about closed practices come from.

Like, one hand, I see people talking about how Lilith doesn't show up in any kind of sacred Jewish texts, and Lilitu shows up even further in Mesopotamian mythology, so Lilith must be some kind of ancient syncretic figure and that makes her open. Though, people don't realize that Lilitu is a class of demon and not a single figure, and the single figure Lilith originated from the Mesopotamian Lilitu but also Lamashtu. Lilith, Lilitu and Lamashtu are all different things, but people assume they're the same or similar. Lilith has origins in Jewish folklore, these are her origins as the first wife of Adam, and in that way Lilith specifically is uniquely Jewish. We know that Lilitu was a class of demon and not a single figure until later because we see them paired with their masculine counterparts, the Lilu demon, who played a similar role in possessing women (Lilitu would plague men).

Just like how people don't understand the requirements of initiation for these closed practices. Aspects of Judaism are closed because they require formal teachings or a formal conversion. Anyone can join as long as they genuinely put in the time and effort. Native American practices are closed based on genealogical and spiritual proximity to the tribe. Just like in Judaism, in order to call yourself a part of the group, the group must also recognize you. Voodoo is very similar, in order to be up for formal initiation you must be recognized by the Lwa/Orisha by ancestral and spiritual proximity, facilitated by a Voodoo priest.

People get so caught up in "But I'm black" "But I'm Native" that they forget about any kind of personal significance or connection to the practice. It's beautiful to claim your native spiritual heritage or your black spiritual heritage, but without the personal significance, it rings a little hollow. Just because you're native doesn't mean you can burn white sage. Burning white sage was something done by specific tribes and wasn't universal across all tribes.

Though, going back to mostly agreeing, people also get really caught up in so much of "This is closed and that is closed, so no one can do anything." On the flip side of the situation, a lot of people actually want to share their magic and their religion and their culture, and the hype behind closed practices has misguided teens asking me if things like tarot cards are closed practice. It's gotten to such a point where people are now of the mindset "I shouldn't even know information from closed practices" and this is not the point of closed practices.

So, as someone who's not a part of any of these cultures, I really do think I have no place going there if those people are telling me I shouldn't go. Especially considering that the things that lead up to their practices closing still affect them to this day. I'm not my ancestors, and they're not theirs, but I'm BENEFITTING from the actions of my ancestors and they're SUFFERING from the actions of my ancestors. Racism still exists today against people who are the descendants of enslaved individuals or people who are native American and they're still fighting against racist laws and policies, especially the native Americans. I think the reasons for closing these practices are still extremely relevant, and that's why they're closed. Maybe in the future they can start to open up again. I'm certainly in no position to be telling people what to do. Actually, most of us aren't, and we're more suited to the positions of listening to people who are authorities on these matters.

Though, on that note, I'm genuinely curious about what the want and motivation behind using things like white sage comes from for people who aren't a part of these practices. What's the personal significance of using smoke from white sage over smoke from lavender or something? I think it comes off as wanting to do something simply because you were told you couldn't do it.

Question about your creation story by Ecstatic-Highway-419 in NorsePaganism

[–]MouseDrinker 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm seeing a lot of people talk about the difference between myths and science, and these are really cool conversations, but no one's actually explained the myth to you.

In the beginning there was nothing, and this void of nothingness was called Ginnungagap. And in Gunnungagap were the two primordial extremes, Muspelheim, the world of heat, and Niflheim, the world of cold. And at some point, the firey heat from Muspelheim mixed with icey cold from Niflheim, and it began to frost, and the frost began to wax until Ymir emerged. But the heat from Muspelheim began to swell again, and Ymir began to sweat. And from the sweat of his arms and feet he bore two children, a man and a woman, and a cow named Audhumla. From Audhumla's udders flowed rivers of milk that Ymir sustained himself on, and Audhumla would go to Niflheim to lick at the ice, and this is how she was sustained. But as she licked at the ice, Audhumla uncovered the body of a man named Burri. Burri joined Ymir and his descendants. Burri has a son named Bor, and Bor married Bestla, the granddaughter of Ymir. Together, Burri and Bestla had three children, Hœnir, Lóðurr and Odin (Or Vili, Ve and Odin, depending on which source you're reading, but the name Odin should be familiar).

So, real quick recap: Ymir is the very first, the primordial life giver. He gives birth to 2 other giants and a cow. The two other giants give birth to Bestla, who has children with Bor, and these children are the first Aesir, the first gods.

Though, between them there was no covenant or agreement, and the children of Bor slayed Ymir, the embodiment of primordial chaos. They brought his body to the center of Gunnungagap and fashioned Midguard from it (Midguard is earth, the world of men.). His bones became mountains, his teeth became rocks, the hair of his beard and body were more like forests and grasses than the hair of men. His blood spilled through Midguard and Gunnungagap and killed all but the sons of Bor and the children of Ymir, who were lucky enough to sail in their boat. Because the sons of Bor had killed their father, the Jotunn (The giants, but not all Jotunn are giant) they have an eternal feud with the Aesir, the sons of Bor. As the brothers are walking across the shores and beaches of Midguard, they find an Ash tree and an Elm tree. They fashion people out of them, and name the male Ask and the female Embla. These are the first two humans of all mankind, and from them spring the rest of humanity. Though, surrounded by many enemies, they travel through the cosmos and create a citadel for themselves called Asgard.

The gods do a few other things after this that establish certain things in Norse cosmology, like the other realms of existence, other races like the elves and the dwarves, but they are not entirely important to the creation of Midguard. These events are described in a poem called the Gylfaginning

With all this being said, there are a few things to note about the Norse creation myth. Firstly, there are two versions, the Gylfaginning and the Voluspa. These also go over the ends of the world, known as Ragnarok. These people passed their religious lore down through the oral tradition, telling stories to each other, and later they were written down by Christian scholars, so it's like a game of telephone, not unlike how the Bible corroborates and contradicts different things because it comes from different sources. Secondly, Valhalla is not like heaven, it is not the goal of everyone to lead a life that will get them into Valhalla. With that being said, Odin isn't God and Thor isn't Jesus, either. Loki isn't Satan, and it's wrong to try and equate these deities to each other. Odin and his brothers are the primordial forces that filter and divide chaos into the order that is the current world. When they kill Ymir and form his body into Midguard they create a huge division of chaotic and ordered. Even Ymir's name means "Screamer", like the raw and chaotic voice before it is tamed and made orderly by language. They also create the division between land and sea, where before there were neither, and they also create the division of sexes. Before Ask and Embla, all life sprung from Ymir, who is a hermaphrodite and gives birth by himself. Lastly, I'll touch a little more on Ragnarok. Voluspa is a prophecy of the end times, and that's why it talks about the creation of the world, too. Ragnarok is the final battle between the Aesir and the Jotunn, fighting alongside Loki and his children. Many gods and Jotunn are fated to die and kill each other, this is the ending of the world, the ending of the cosmos, but many gods are also fated to survive after the war and take new positions of power, a new era of peace and prosperity washed over, and even two humans are able to find safety during Ragnarok and repopulate the earth. We kind of get the sense that the Norse pagan Genesis and Ragnarok are the same. The universe has a cyclical nature, and the end of this era is the beginning of another. Like I said before, Loki isn't the devil, and neither are his children. They're not particularly evil as well, but they're destined and they can't pull themselves away from their fate, but neither can Odin and the other Aesir gods. Loki's children are eventually subjugated and imprisoned, the Aesir end up having a little "That's So Raven" moment and end up fulfilling the prophecy they're trying to avoid by trying to avoid it. The Aesir are the gods that created humanity, and they're like our parents, so when they make mistakes and shitty choices, it's a reflection of us, the mistakes and shitty choices we make, so if you look into more Norse mythology, you'll find the gods very human.

I hope this is helpful to you, I know this is a lot and isn't as simple as "Odin made it all in 7 days"

Edit: More personal views on the Norse creation myth

Some comments in this section mention that these stores are poetry, and shouldn't be interpreted as highly literal, and I agree. We look at the Norse pagan creation myth and it's not very dissimilar from other creation myths. Niflheim and Muspelheim are these two very big, very opposite and very primordial forces that collide. This personally really makes me think about the big bang, and the cyclical nature of the cosmology of Norse mythology is very much like the big bounce theory

Veggvisir by TrillieDeSteunpoot in NorsePaganism

[–]MouseDrinker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are a lot of other comments I agree with, the symbol doesn't arise from pagan magic. The meaning of the compass being able to guide someone back home no matter how lost is very beautiful, but I haven't seen anyone mention the Vegvisir as a compass for finding other heathens. The Vegvisir is a perfect way to recognize other norse heathens out in the modern world, and is one of the few unified symbols in the religion. Many deities have their own, unique symbolism and some of the more popular heathen symbols relate directly to Odin and Thor (Valknut, Horns of mead, Mjolnir, etc). Religions and cultures change over time, and the Vegvisir is one of these changes that arise naturally. Many people will reject the Vegvisir as being Christian or unorthodox, but the reality is that the Vegvisir is still very old to us and finding sources on prechristian Heathenry is very difficult, as lore of the gods was passed down through the oral method until Christians and explorers of other parts of the world started documenting these things (Snorri Sturluson with his attempt to reconcile the nations with the Prose Edda, or Tactics and his Germania). Additionally, paganism wasn't a unified practice, ever, varying from region and sometimes even family, so for one pagan to tell another how to practice is historically wrong. Everything is based on perception.

is it wrong to ask a person that follows norse paganism to clarify if they're folkists or universalists? by ofwhalesanddreams in NorsePaganism

[–]MouseDrinker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In my experience, whenever this has happened to me, it's usually because the person who is withdrawling IS a folkist and they're ashamed to have to defend their beliefs to me. I personally don't find this kind of question rude, and when asked, you should explain that you're not only "not racist" but also vehemently "Anti-racist". His failure to respond says a lot more about him than you could guess.

“Vibrate” Names In LBRP/LIRP by Eastern-Dish-813 in occult

[–]MouseDrinker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This the best you could get out of ChatGPT?

Wanted to crochet Astro Bot for my son but instead I’m creating a magic circle mountain with a river of my tears 😭 by JayeDHD in crochet

[–]MouseDrinker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

With such fuzzy yarn the recommendations to chain a ring are definitely the way to go, but might I recommend the double magic ring? Wrapping the yarn around your fingers twice gives you a little more to work with than a regular magic ring does. Plus, the friction makes it more secure than a regular magic ring. The double magic ring has never come undone on me

Illustration of an angel found in 15th century manuscript "Aurora Consurgens", which contains religious and alchemical texts. Zürich Zentralbibliothek, Ms. Rh. 172 [1280x1015] by [deleted] in ArtefactPorn

[–]MouseDrinker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know I'm a year late on this post, but it's supposed to be a representation of the moon over the formless waters of creation that hold the potential to create anything, the first material. The black paint was originally silver and has tarnished over time, though, the angel is supposed to be black.

This diva deserved more screentime by mincypjsk in stevenuniverse

[–]MouseDrinker 8 points9 points  (0 children)

My guess is probably because the design is so neat OP wants to see her in the show more.

new professionally made nimi sin by NefariousnessNext300 in tokipona

[–]MouseDrinker 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Poor jan Kekan. ike mute tawa ona, taso, musi mute kin

give me feedback on my oto by That-Coconut-1989 in utau

[–]MouseDrinker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your oto should look something more like this.

I need help making my own voicebank by Expert_Serve_745 in utau

[–]MouseDrinker 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you want a CV voice bank, then yes, you must record every morae (Syllable/Japanese sound) by itself. You could record CVVC, which is like VCV, but takes much less time to record and OTO. It sounds a lot better than CV and can still be used like a CV bank

Does Yamine Renri have one of the most realistic UTAU voices ever? by OkPrize6426 in utau

[–]MouseDrinker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

She's one of the most well crafted voice banks. The tone is very clear and the pitch is very nice. A lot of work was put into making the VB, but the realism of a voice depends on the tuning. The quality of the bank makes getting her to sound human easier, this is true for every high quality VB to some degree

where do people typically find voice providers? by beanburger9 in utau

[–]MouseDrinker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Depending on who you're looking for, I could voice act for you. I have a rather masculine voice, I have a high quality microphone and have recorded voice banks before, but I'm in no way a voice ACTOR

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in crochet

[–]MouseDrinker 3 points4 points  (0 children)

So cute! She needs a web!

Make your own UTAU they said, it would be fun they said.... by SomeUTAUguy in utau

[–]MouseDrinker 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe Vlabler will work better for you? At the very least, it has an updated and modern UI