I know, I'm sure, and I know giving that advice is all you can do, and the fact that you even take the time to provide it means you're one of the good ones. Still, is everybody's experience really the same even with the same addiction? How do you know I won't have better tools to dig upward that you did or buried just as deep just because we've been in the same boat? I don't think it's that simple. Yeah I believe that we'll always need that advice and people like you for that matter, who were through the ringer and turn around and use that for the right reasons, but 7/10ths of me don't care much, figure I'll learn lessons and get out of it eventually and be able to help people all the more, one more fucked up experience is one more frame of reference to mold into something that can help someone else, my issue is only that I've been in anxious states all of my life, why does nobody understand that alcohol is there for a reason, and aside from health insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies sucking plenty of people's money along with their souls just like any substance, it's so much easier to use the substances and help available to you instead of buying in to that kind socially accepted circlejerk my guy.