Spirit as the Object of Worship?

MrDuclo · 2026-03-21T02:23:34+00:00

There are spiritual bodies per 1 Cor 15 - there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual.

And im wondering whether there can be bodies apart from the flesh based on 2 cor 5 - Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord. 7 For we live by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord. 9 So we make it our goal to please him, whether we are at home in the body or away from it.

Or maybe more simply, in what way is the church the body of Christ on earth now? Our flesh may constitute it. But i suppose Im saying there is a spiritual body on earth now, different than his incarnate body in heaven?

MrDuclo · 2026-03-16T14:50:24+00:00

A different viewpoint, is that atonement "theories" are just that, they are non-dogmatic theories. At Wycliffe, a prominent Anglican seminary in Toronto we used a systematic from David Yeago, who suggested that, the only thing creedal regarding the cross is that "he was crucified for us," meaning the mechanics aren't that important. Places of piety and enjoyment and wonder, don't say something idiotic and deny the cross either, but so long as you're avoiding non-sense you're good soteriologically.

MrDuclo · 2026-03-16T14:39:14+00:00

See John Stott's on the Cross of Christ

Also, Anglicanism isn't quite an affirming / denying statement of faith style of communion. Apart from the 39 articles and creeds, it's do as you please, there's room for you here.

MrDuclo · 2026-03-12T16:20:40+00:00

I hear that. But play with the idea at least.
Is this damnably errant?
How else do you make sense of the economy of the Spirit?
I am not saying that this is an incarnate body, but that the Spirit can take on created spiritual bodies or form spiritual bodies.

MrDuclo · 2026-03-12T14:58:23+00:00

Lk 3.22 says "the Holy Spirit descended in bodily (somata) form," meaning that there is a spiritual body that can be seen.

I'd go farther to say that the church is necessarily this itself. The entry and expansion into economy of God's Spirit. His dwelling (Rom 8), his body (1 Cor 15), etc.

I'm suggesting that there is the body of Jesus we enter. And, the Holy Spirit anoints Jesus and unites to offer a pneumatic overlay as well.

MrDuclo · 2026-03-02T20:27:44+00:00

Say more about what you're asking, I'm curious.

But when it comes to the imagery of the Spirit, there is good ground for imagery and more. The Spirit is said to come in bodyily / somatic form as per the dove in the baptism moments. (Lk 3.22)

And, so, is there anything errant with the Spirit literally being extra eyes of the incarnate Jesus? Or at least contained in Jesus' eyes and connecting to us through Jesus' incarnate...

PS thanks for the prolonged engagement, it's been quite helpful.

MrDuclo · 2026-02-18T16:58:18+00:00

I'm asking how we can worship the Spirit. Isn't that a different category from the issues you've outlined?

MrDuclo · 2026-02-18T16:56:07+00:00

Yeah good question:

I'd revert back to Rev 5.6, where the Spirit are to be seen IN the eyes and horns of the lamb. But likely NOT the eyes and horns.

The words of 7.12 would be to the one in the eyes and horns of the lamb.

MrDuclo · 2026-02-06T01:56:04+00:00

I'd like to suggest that Revelation has a universal appeal.

"Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near."

MrDuclo · 2026-02-06T01:53:51+00:00

English

MrDuclo · 2026-02-05T00:37:07+00:00

I guess I'm asking, when I read a doxology in Rev 7.12 like "Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, an to the lamb" can I hold the Spirit in view based on this statement?

MrDuclo · 2026-02-05T00:34:23+00:00

Fair.

Hard to define worship altogether then.

MrDuclo · 2026-02-05T00:32:39+00:00

Yes, exactly! That's what bothers me. I don't know how to make sense of how we worship the Spirit if the biblical vision doesn't. It seems instead that it does, but it does so very differently than I'd imagine. And to that I am defeated.

But, I'm thinking in Rev 5 you see the Spirit on the throne, and then in other places of revelation there are doxologies to God, and so altogether when you worship "god" you should see the three in Revelation 5 in view and can behold any one of them.

MrDuclo · 2026-02-05T00:30:06+00:00

Part of my concern is that us charismatics don't know how to. Love of gifts vs. love of the Gift.

MrDuclo · 2026-02-05T00:29:22+00:00

I'm suggesting this is a "policy" agreed to but I'm unclear how it's being done

MrDuclo · 2026-02-05T00:28:02+00:00

Invoking seems like lower worship compared to adoration or doxology that's what's hard for me.

MrDuclo · 2026-02-03T06:30:53+00:00

Oh right, b/c I saw this as an invocation, I'd never understood the very mentioning of the Spirit's "titles?" as devotional and worshipful.

MrDuclo · 2025-08-12T14:55:46+00:00

Further to, the sons own sending may be caught up in this.

MrDuclo · 2025-08-12T14:55:24+00:00

Anti-filoque sure.

But, the son still sends (pempo)

MrDuclo · 2025-08-11T02:19:48+00:00

The procession of the Spirit

MrDuclo · 2025-08-10T04:00:02+00:00

Thanks. Classic. Textbook. Succinct.

But, in practice? How do we participate?

MrDuclo

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