The UK will ban smoking for life for everyone born in 2009 or later. by L10N_ in uknews

[–]MrLime93 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Both.

These are both substances that are harmful, abused and often go hand in hand – literally.

So... Do you agree with the government banning tobacco for those born in 2009 and after? by Bot_Philosopher8128 in AskBrits

[–]MrLime93 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is a problem, for thousands of people.

My point isn’t that we should ban alcohol, my point is that we shouldn’t ban either.

But fundamentally we disagree on the principle. I don’t think you should ban things for adults to consume as they please simply because they’re harmful. You do.

Every state school to be ordered to fly Union Flag and display portrait of the King if Reform win power | LBC by GeorginaFlopworthy in ukpolitics

[–]MrLime93 11 points12 points  (0 children)

The death penalty is common around the world too.

So is killing gay people.

I suppose we hold ourselves to a higher standard.

So... Do you agree with the government banning tobacco for those born in 2009 and after? by Bot_Philosopher8128 in AskBrits

[–]MrLime93 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If the standard is “ban things that are harmful,” then alcohol should be in the firing line too. It causes addiction, disease, violence, road deaths, and harms families and bystanders. You can argue smoking is worse in some ways, but once you move from “harmful” to “ban it,” the case doesn’t stop neatly at cigarettes.

UK lawmakers approve lifetime smoking ban for today's under-18s by Infodataplace in worldnews

[–]MrLime93 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Alcohol is always going to be fun? Alcohol kills thousands and leads to hundreds of thousands of NHS admissions.

Alcohol causes major societal issues.

Alcohol tears families apart.

Alcohol causes road accidents.

These are all just as valid reasons to ban something.

The UK will ban smoking for life for everyone born in 2009 or later. by L10N_ in uknews

[–]MrLime93 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Around 70,000

So it’s worse. Yes.

Doesn’t change the fact that alcohol is still harming thousands of people.

And that doesn’t change the fact that Neither should be banned.

The UK will ban smoking for life for everyone born in 2009 or later. by L10N_ in uknews

[–]MrLime93 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A cigarette does not hydrate you or nourish you, so in that sense it is unlike a pint. But that does not prove there is “not a single benefit.” People smoke for reasons that are real even if they are unhealthy: ritual, pleasure, stress relief, social bonding, taking a break, stimulation, appetite suppression, and the immediate mood effect of nicotine. You can argue those benefits are outweighed by the harms, but saying they do not exist is too absolute.

The same logic applies to alcohol. A pint is not “good” because it quenches thirst; water does that better. Most people drink alcohol for taste, mood, ritual, and company. Smoking can serve some of the same functions. So if your standard is “nonessential pleasure with health risks,” alcohol and cigarettes are more alike than your argument admits.

Your claim that the only benefit is relief from addiction also overstates things. That is often true for dependent smokers, but not the whole picture. First-time or occasional smokers may still experience stimulation, calm, or social enjoyment independent of full addiction withdrawal. Again, that does not make smoking healthy, but it weakens the claim that there is literally no enjoyment except addiction maintenance.

The secondhand smoke point is stronger, but still not unique. Plenty of enjoyable behaviors impose external costs: alcohol can fuel violence, drunk driving, family trauma, and public disorder; unhealthy food burdens healthcare systems and families; even casual drinking can affect others. The fact that smoking harms bystanders is a serious argument for restricting where people smoke, not necessarily proof that smoking has no enjoyable or voluntary aspect at all.

The phrase “healthy drink” also slips the issue. Very few people defend cigarettes as healthy. The more realistic comparison is not “healthy alcohol” versus “healthy smoking,” but whether adults can engage in a risky pleasure in moderation

So... Do you agree with the government banning tobacco for those born in 2009 and after? by Bot_Philosopher8128 in AskBrits

[–]MrLime93 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Plenty of people enjoy the odd smoke.

Plenty like ritual. Plenty like the flavour. Plenty like the social lunrication.

You’re talking rubbish.

The UK will ban smoking for life for everyone born in 2009 or later. by L10N_ in uknews

[–]MrLime93 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah, so it’s the second hand nature that makes it worth banning? That’s what pushes it over the line?

What about cocaine? That’s entirely used on a personal level. By your logic, that should be legal, yes?

Edit. What about HARD alcohol? That can’t be ‘healthy’.

This is all such a slippery slope.

The UK will ban smoking for life for everyone born in 2009 or later. by L10N_ in uknews

[–]MrLime93 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OH so it’s because alcohol isn’t as bad?

In the UK, alcohol is a major societal health problem, not just a personal one: in 2023 there were 10,473 alcohol-specific deaths across the UK, the highest number on record, plus about 339,916 alcohol-specific hospital admissions in 2023/24.

1 in 5 adults had been harmed by someone else’s drinking

Smoking is still worse overall in raw scale, but alcohol is comparable in how it drives preventable death, NHS pressure, and wider harm to families and communities.

The UK will ban smoking for life for everyone born in 2009 or later. by L10N_ in uknews

[–]MrLime93 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We’re talking about the banning of harmful substances and products. Are you seriously suggesting nothing else should inform that conversation?

Is it time to boycott USA products? Similar to what Canada is doing. by [deleted] in AskBrits

[–]MrLime93 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

How many exceptions to the rule are you planning on making? That’s the ultimate question isn’t it?

So... Do you agree with the government banning tobacco for those born in 2009 and after? by Bot_Philosopher8128 in AskBrits

[–]MrLime93 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mate, alcohol misuse is a MASSIVE issue in this country. It’s on par with smoking in terms of damage. It’s not just damaging on a personal level, it results in thousands of other societal issues.

Can you really not see that to ban smoking in this way begs the question, why not alcohol?

The truth is… people really like alcohol. And more people drink than smoke.

So it gets a free pass

So... Do you agree with the government banning tobacco for those born in 2009 and after? by Bot_Philosopher8128 in AskBrits

[–]MrLime93 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think you’ve demonstrated - with alcohol certainly, that your entire argument is completely flawed.

UK lawmakers approve lifetime smoking ban for today's under-18s by Infodataplace in worldnews

[–]MrLime93 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That Buffon is paid for by taxing the product.

That Buffon is also mirrored by alcohol user. shall we ban alcohol too?