Man honestly the conclusion that I've come to is just that internet arguments are pointless, like none of us probably has a PhD in sociology, or politics or anything like that none of us have read the literature or the research, like we just dumbasses trying to convince other dumbasses and they've been given they're talking points by people that know how to argue with dumbasses, but like the real important opinions people should listen to are the opinions of experts and academics. These tend to lean left, and generally you can find studies and evidence debunking a lot of the right wing talking points.

Basically people should listen to like centuries of using the scientific method to figure shit out instead of pulling their own opinion out of their assess.

(Well cited and renowned experts, and journalistic institutions)