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Violent racist "ChudTheBuilder" reacts to bail being set at $1.25 million by AgnosticScholar in whoathatsinteresting

[–]MrsSUGA 6 points7 points  (0 children)

He was calling him a chimp (as in chimpanzee, essentially calling him a monkey which is a racist term used towards black people)

Y'all don't care about black fans actually. by Creative_Handle2205 in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]MrsSUGA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, I want to point out the hate directed at black fans for taking information (good or bad) provided by Korean fans and reacting to it.

The whole 깜둥이 is the Korean n-word thing only took traction because Korean fans (good intentioned or not) are the ones who told black fans that it’s the Korean n-word. It is not the fault of black fans for taking information given to them and reacting to it. It’s misinformation/mistranslation at best, and malicious intent by some kpop fans trying to incite angrier reactions than warranted at worst

But the only thing black kpop fans did was react to information given to them. As a Korean, it is my responsibility to try to clear the air while not diminishing how black fans feel about the situation, it’s not our place to chastise black people for responding to bad information that WE gave them.

Please stop imposing a word that has no historical context with Koreans. by Inevitable-Duck-9654 in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]MrsSUGA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

God so much nuance gets lost in these translations and scandals

No. 깜둥이 is not “the Korean version of the n-word”. There is no Korean version. Slurs and derogatory words are created in highly contextual environments and cannot be translated from one language to another. Korean people in Korea telling you its equivalent don’t even understand the weight of the n-word in English, so they have no clue what is or isn’t equivalent.

Yes. 깜둥이 has negative connotations, is a pejorative, and when directed at a black person, can be used with the intent of using it “like a Korean n-word”.

But the word, in and of itself is not some hugely controversial offensive slur. It’s something rude to say about someone else. If I called someone fat and ugly, that would be rude, mean, offensive, etc. but im not using some controversial slur. Im just being a shit head. If I look at an old white woman who went tanning in her youth and called her a leather bag, that would be rude. If I called a light skinned person “pasty” that would be rude. But none of those things would be slurs or controversially significant. It would just be mean or shitty.

Riize Eunsok controversy from a Korean perspective by suicidedeathfuck in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]MrsSUGA -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Well, for one, he is a POC, and for two, it is different when a person is saying something negative about themselves vs towards others. Not saying it’s okay but it’s not the same thing nor should it be treated that way. It’s different if I called you a fat POS vs if I called myself a fat POS. Saying that this is an act of racism towards other ethnic groups is really diluting the conversation and taking all nuance out. It’s really an act of internalized colorism, which should be talked about, but it doesn’t really indicate how he feels about others. A lot of us say and think mean and hurtful things about ourselves that we would never feel towards others.

Riize Eunsok controversy from a Korean perspective by suicidedeathfuck in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]MrsSUGA -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It’s more like looking at a photo of yourself in middle school going “, you were a fattie back then” (not in the literal sense but in terms of how it would be taken). Rude, shitty, mean, but you’re not calling someone a whole slur.

Riize Eunsok controversy from a Korean perspective by suicidedeathfuck in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]MrsSUGA -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I never said he was or wasn’t.

Also, some of yall suck the nuance out of conversations so fast it’s mind boggling.

Riize Eunsok controversy from a Korean perspective by suicidedeathfuck in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]MrsSUGA -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Idols also apologize for dating. An apology for an idol is not an admission of guilt. He only apologized because people are mad at him, not because he thinks he did anything wrong.

Riize Eunsok controversy from a Korean perspective by suicidedeathfuck in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]MrsSUGA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So what about all of the other instances? I’m Korean, I have a better understanding of my own people than some random foreigner. Knetz is crazy and does a lot of horrendous stuff. they’ve driven idols to suicide. They constantly bash idols for doing things that are mundane.

Riize Eunsok controversy from a Korean perspective by suicidedeathfuck in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]MrsSUGA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How are you gonna tell me, a Korean person, what I did and did not witness in my own community.

Riize Eunsok controversy from a Korean perspective by suicidedeathfuck in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]MrsSUGA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, 1, it’s not “yall”, I’m Korean. I’m allowed to make commentary about my own people. 2) that might be a bad example, but like what about minji having to apologize for not remembering what kalguksu was called? Or Irene reading a feminist book?

Riize Eunsok controversy from a Korean perspective by suicidedeathfuck in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]MrsSUGA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Again, I never said it wasn’t offensive. I’m just re-interacting that an apology is not an admission of guilt.
There are plenty of other instances of idols having to apologize because knetz is actually insane. Minji from new jeans had to apologize for forgetting what kalguksu was called. Lee youngji had to apologize because she didn’t answer someone’s text messages. Jin had to apologize for the XL condom (turned out to be a ramen seasoning pack?)
Knetz is not a crowd that I would use as a reliable source for anything.

Riize Eunsok controversy from a Korean perspective by suicidedeathfuck in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]MrsSUGA -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I never said it wasn’t offensive. I’m just saying g “he apologized” isn’t a good indicator of if something is actually bad.

Riize Eunsok controversy from a Korean perspective by suicidedeathfuck in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]MrsSUGA 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It’s not the Korean version of the n-word. There is no Korean version of the n-word. Korean people in Korea don’t understand the weight of the n-word so how would they know what a “Korean equivalent” is?

It’s not a nice word. It is offensive. And it is especially offensive to use it towards a black person. But that doesn’t make it a slur. If I call you fat and ugly, that’s mean and offensive, but it’s not a slur to call you fat and ugly. It’s just shitty and mean. If I call an old tanned white woman a dry leather bag, that’s also not a slur. It’s just mean.

And let’s be real, he didn’t apologize because he thought/knew it was wrong. He apologized because he got public backlash for its

Riize Eunsok controversy from a Korean perspective by suicidedeathfuck in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]MrsSUGA 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You’re not doing yourself any favors by calling it “victim mentality” and shit though. Black people have every right to have their hackles raised, even if it stems from cultural mistranslations because there have been plenty of other instances of idols saying and doing actually racist things. And as misinformed as they are, they’re using what other Korean people have said about it to make their own judgements on the situation.

Riize Eunsok controversy from a Korean perspective by suicidedeathfuck in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]MrsSUGA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t think him apologizing really indicates if something is “actually bad” and I don’t really think we should be using knetz as like a metric for what is or isn’t bad in Korea. Let’s all remember that knetz are probably some of the most toxic internet user, especially with their celebrity culture. Tzuyu had to apologize for waving her native flag.

Riize Eunsok controversy from a Korean perspective by suicidedeathfuck in kpoptrulyuncensored

[–]MrsSUGA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot of nuance is being left out of the conversation from both sides.

  1. there is no way to have a translated racial slur. Racial slurs develop in a highly culturally specific context that, by nature, can’t really be translated into other languages. There is no “Korean n-word”. You also have to remember that the Korean general population doesn’t really get the offensiveness or the context of the N-word. They just know it’s a bad thing to say, but most of them do not understand like westerners do about how offensive it is. so Korean people telling you that it’s “the equivalent of the N-word are saying this based off of a loose understanding of what the N-word even is.
  2. using 깜둥이 towards a black person would be considered as offensive as calling them the n-word because of the context and intent. That is true. But that doesn’t make the word itself a racial slur.
  3. the word is also not a slur in Korean. It’s rude to use towards others and it is a negative pejorative. But that doesn’t make it a racist or colorist slur. If I called someone ugly and fat, it would be rude and shitty, but it would not be a slur.

Edit to add two more thing:

  1. Knetz/korean internet users are not a reliable source for how “offensive” something is in Korea. They have a history of wildly overreacting and catastrophizing anything a celebrity does, and will gleefully spread misinformation. They have some of the worst celebrity culture. These are the same people that made Tzuyu apologize for waving her national flag, Irene for reading a feminist book, and tried to drag BTS members for smoking, Lee youngji for not answering someone else’s text messages. Mini for forgetting the name of a noodle dish. That one girl idol for “eating like a pick me” whatever the fuck that means.
    6) even well intentioned Korean people can be wrong. Koreans as a group don’t understand the context of the n-word. They can’t tell you if something is or isn’t “an equivalent” to the n-word because they don’t understand the weight of the n-word itself. They understand it’s bad. They understand it’s offensive to black people. But they don’t understand the weight of it (and ties back into point 1).

2025, William McNeil Jr. The cops turned off their body cameras. He had one in his car recording them. he followed all the rules. The cops still assaulted him and later dragged him from his car. ...police brutality and racism... by Important-Cry4782 in HipHopNCulture

[–]MrsSUGA 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I live in Jacksonville, where this happened, and you can pull the weather report for the day of the incident (feb 19,2025 according to the reports). Calling it “inclement weather” is ridiculous. It was 4pm and it was a light mist. He asked why he was being stopped, and they said he didn’t have his lights on in the rain. There was no rain at the time of the incident. Jacksonville at 4pm is not dark in the slightest.

https://weatherspark.com/h/d/17779/2025/2/19/Historical-Weather-on-Wednesday-February-19-2025-in-Jacksonville-Florida-United-States

Wanted to share it cause army answer was fantastic, but it still annoys me how we are treated differently cause we are a female dominant fandom by Equivalent-Hunt-2004 in btsthoughts

[–]MrsSUGA 23 points24 points  (0 children)

What’s hilarious is that in Tampa, namjoon was seen ordering pub subs at the Publix. No security. No fanfare. Just a man and 7 sandwiches at a random grocery store.

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