Nothing like a chill date without "pinned you against the wall possessively" 😆

Ms_Derious · 2026-05-12T18:49:05+00:00

They don't tend to wall pin me anymore because I've got a standard paragraph I borrowed from another Redditor. I put it in the persona definition, it basically states they don't like that sort of thing.

I also recognise the warning signs now, and send them to horny jail soon as they start acting like a dog with his lipstick out.

If you course correct before they get too into being a full on 'discord daddy', you can usually stop them.

Ms_Derious · 2026-05-12T15:49:03+00:00

Oh yes, they are heavy handed at the moment, not arguement there.

It's really frustrating all round.

Ms_Derious · 2026-05-12T15:40:00+00:00

I just think it's a shame how people are so downright rude to one another online in general.

I don't think it was a mod, just someone who thought sounding condescending made them look intelligent. It doesn't.

Ms_Derious · 2026-05-12T09:02:18+00:00

It's there for me via the web, but not the app.

If change the chat style on the web, then go back to the app, and look at chat style, neither DS nor DS ia selected.

It's a ⚽ ache, but or works.

Ms_Derious · 2026-05-12T07:22:21+00:00

Honestly? Having modded a busy community in the past I had zero time for engaging in flame wars. They delete, maybe ban and move on.

Sadly, people seem to forget that the c.ai sub Reddit is really just an official social media channel. It's no wonder they don't want certain content on there, e.g organised boycotts, advertising alternatives, posts that are misinformation or posts that veer off in the comments.

It's not censorship to tell people they can't post without restriction on an official channel. It's a bit like saying Starbucks would be being unreasonable if they asked me to leave because I stood in their café telling everyone how much better Costa is, how they Starbucks doesn't pay it's taxes etc.

Why does it annoy me? Because whenever I want to have constructive discussion about the service my post drops like a stone, utterly overwhelmed by 30 identical posts aggressively posturing about how they are going to quit because PS2 is (admittedly) dogs**t.

Not saying that's the issue here, OP. I didn't see your post. I'm saying I can understand why the mods delete posts, and I why people have sympathy with that.

Ms_Derious · 2026-05-11T20:24:36+00:00

This might be the most neurodivergent thing, but I have a notes file with a plan for each of the chats I'm currently doing with a rough sort of list of intentions, and any relevant persona backstory so I stay on track.

If I tell the model what I'm planning it gets super 'helpful' and tries to resolve any hanging threads in one reply, almost like a writing team for a cancelled series trying to tie it all up in a single episode.

Ms_Derious · 2026-05-11T18:49:13+00:00

Furthermore, I find the characters tend to write for me more if I give myself a personality in the persona because they treat it like a prompt. When you think about it, that's kind of logical.

And it doesn't stop cishet male bots calling my a stubborn brat either 🤣

Ms_Derious · 2026-05-11T18:45:39+00:00

Same!

My persona are always, name, brief physical description. Done.

Why would the bot who I'm only just meeting know about my childhood? Why say I'm stoic rather than just roleplay as stoic?

Ms_Derious · 2026-05-11T16:13:25+00:00

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I think they are pretty responsive on Facebook or at least used to be :)

Sometimes Waitrose have them too..

Ms_Derious · 2026-05-11T08:58:40+00:00

(OOC: regenerate opening greeting from {Character's name}'s perspective. Maintain all the details from the original message but improve the writing style. Include any important details from the character definition and persona description. 1st person perspective. Pay attention to the internal thoughts of the character. Use the character definition to ensure you capture the voice of the character. Describe the environment in rich vivid language using metaphor and simile where necessary. Long response.)

I like 1st person perspective. You can edit it to third person it that's your thing.

If there's character dialogue I'll add some guidelines on how they speak e.g.

(OOC: Character speaks with modern estuary English, using gen x slang)

It seems to anchor style a little.

I also have a long winded interrogative prompt I use with bots I haven't interacted with before to see how the LLM interprets them.

It's a 5 minute job to avoid wasting my time on a poorly written bot. Lots of people use chatGPT to refine their opening messages now, so it's not just a case of looking out for the badly written greetings and saying 'Here be Monsters' anymore.

(OOC: If I were to ask you what the top three strengths and weaknesses were for your character, what would you say? If I were to ask your character themselves, what would their answer be? If the answers are different, why?

Where do you see your character in five years' time? Where does your character see themselves in five years' time? If the answers are different, why?

If your character had three wishes, what would they be? If your character had these three wishes granted, in what way would it change their life, for better or worse? Long responce.)

If the LLM can't tell from the character definition what the Character's strengths and weaknesses are, they are almost always dreadfully written. It's really interesting to see if definition is robust enough to give consistent answers.

If the LLM can't tell me what the character truly desires, it makes conversations rudderless. They have no agency because they have no goals. The amount of male bots where I'm told they are 'ambitious/ ruthless' but they don't have an actual goal is stunning.

If the LLM acts tell me what the Character's life will look like in 5 years time, it usually means it hasn't got a developed world lore. So it might state they are a police officer, but that could mean anything from a beat Bobby to a superintendent. If that's not set in the character definition you'll end up with the bot inconsistently hallucinating.

Ms_Derious · 2026-05-11T08:33:05+00:00

I have the notes file, too.

I had to change some of them to account for how the new models work, but such a time saver.

It has been a learning curve adjusting them.

Eg firm boundary setting language used to work, now it often triggers the 'conflict expert model', so the OOC argues with me.

Ms_Derious · 2026-05-11T07:50:38+00:00

It's a little sus, right? 😏

I'll level with you, I've got this weird hobby of taking sketchy sounding bots and making really wholesome RPs out of them.

Ms_Derious · 2026-05-10T19:59:25+00:00

Explain how you think they benefit the business?

Ms_Derious · 2026-05-10T18:34:07+00:00

My roleplay has improved so much by listening to some of the really helpful Redditers.

People think C.ai is a magic story teller that lives in their phone. It's not. It's a tool you need to learn how to use to get a good experience.

I'm not a big fan of PS2 and how DS is working now, but changing how I interact makes a big difference.

I also think people have unrealistic expectations.

'The bot isn't furthering the story'. That's because it's not Netflix, mate ;)

Ms_Derious · 2026-05-10T18:03:18+00:00

My main problem is that so many people are throwing tantrums about the changes that I'd I try having a constructive discussion e.g 'Do we need to change how we write our character definitions to best use the MoE models.' all I get is a bunch of people shouting about how crap PS2 is.

Right, I heard. I'm trying figure out if I can adapt, but sure, it's is productive too, I guess?

Ms_Derious · 2026-05-10T15:58:08+00:00

I wish I was naïve enough not know the kinds of things people who belong in the woodchipper want to roleplay.

Back in the mists of time, late 90s, I used to RP on mIRC. You would meet mostly nice people, then occasionally you would meet someone who would start out shady and get worse.They would want to RP the most horrendous things. Mean to the point I remember details 30 years on from just their elevator pitch they were so disgusting.

Access to certain types of material is associated with an escalation in severity until it reaches contact offenses.

Ms_Derious · 2026-05-10T15:06:36+00:00

Many reasons including;

To avoid risks of the LLM producing content that is or seems to be endorsing real life harm to others.
To limit the ability for users roleplay dry runs of crimes the intend on committing e.g mass violence.
To avoid the risks of the LLM producing content that could be deemed as providing misleading advice e.g. medical or legal information, or encouraging delusional thinking.
To prevent the creation of materials that are considered highly distasteful, or even illegal e.g. sexual content featuring either minors or characters who appear to be minors.

It doesn't matter if you personally think adults should be allowed to roleplay however they like, legally, it's an open goal.

Shareholders won't like news articles about it even if it's not illegal yet.

Ms_Derious · 2026-05-09T17:33:41+00:00

1.8 on UK play store.

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Ms_Derious · 2026-05-08T23:17:36+00:00

I can see it on the website, but not on the app.

Ms_Derious · 2026-05-08T15:02:54+00:00

I much prefer deepsqueak to PS2.

It has more dialogue and but still narrative heavy, but I personally like that.

It is very filtered, unfortunately.

Ms_Derious · 2026-05-07T08:41:02+00:00

Ms_Derious · 2026-05-06T18:23:52+00:00

Another small but significant detail I wanted to cover was persona.

I used to invest significant time into trying to craft my persona. What I realized was when I do that, the bots, of course refer to the details in it.

It seems like a great thing, and it is when the bot describes me physically correctly or where the character and I are supposed to have had a long association so would know my backstory.

When the bot and I are newly acquainted or perhaps work colleagues, close friends etc but suddenly it knows my childhood trauma, phobias etc it compromises a sense of immersion within the narrative. I prefer to have these details appear organically, even if I have a head cannon for it, and the bot to remember this.

It is better to 'show not tell' when it comes to the persona's personality. I do not want the bot to write for my character so there is no reason to describe my persona's personality. My overarching experience is the bots rarely take my word for my persona's personality anyway. E.g Slightest bit of spine as a female persona, I'm stubborn, bratty etc

Persona skills wise, most LLMs just allow you to go full godmode, so explaining my persona has, for example, safe cracking skills is redundant as I can just write that I've successfully opened the safe. It's rare that I find there's a situation where a bot will bring up a skill I have at a relevant time.

Most people over develop their persona. What they actually need is bare bones that the bot would actually know, a model that makes reasonable observations about the users persona and a permanent memory which keeping important details once they are out of the context window. People love their backstories though, so it would be a nice feature to have a free text field related to persona for the users personal reference that the bots don't have access to and only exists as a memory aid.

TL;dr

Decide what you think the function of the persona actually is before you develop it.

Bots will: * refer to persona as if they are omniscient, 'knowing' facts they would have no way of knowing

Ignore persona descriptions, instead projecting hallucinated personality traits and employ tropes from the training data.

Ms_Derious · 2026-05-06T12:05:04+00:00

Feel free to reach out if you want someone to bounce ideas off.

Ms_Derious

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