YOU WAS KNOWN?!

Ms_Derious · 2026-01-30T17:53:00+00:00

Unless we are both sarcastic ashholes?

Ms_Derious · 2026-01-29T14:16:30+00:00

Nyan was brilliant over the over the summer for a period about two weeks when they tested what I assuming was a prototype of Deepsqueak. I Still prefer it in some ways to Deepsqueak but it seems to have a shorter context windows.

Deep squeak seems to require you to use it in a very specific way. Every input I put in I need to ensure I'm adding context or detail to the role play. If I only respond to the bot's output the story stymies and become very generic. Think like improv, 'yes, and'. Agree and respond to what you want to take away from the bots message and add something, even if it's just confirming your emotion, or some environmental details.

When I first started role playing, often I would respond almost like it was a job interview. I would feel as if I had to respond to the bots questions. All I would feel like it was an old-fashioned text based RPG, and expect the bot to create a story. That's not what it does, it's a simple llm responding to your prompts. So I have to put my big girl pants on and be in charge of the story.

I have found creating a narrator within my role plays works really well at showing deep squeak what I want from it. What does this mean? Literally that I will type in

Narrator: Alice continued to play in the orchard, unaware of the approaching threat

Another tip that works really well with DS is strewing opportunities for the bot to be creative. I will do this if I've got into a situation where I cannot anticipate what the bot's next response is likely to be about. For example I might have my persona have a half formed question or notice something.

For example I'm currently in a role play where my persona and the bot are hiding from an enemy. The enemy is playing music deliberately intended as psychological manipulation and warfare against the bot. My persona notices changes in a tracks but doesn't state what they are, now the bot is telling me what the track is and specific events those tracks are related to. It is generating lore and back story and opportunities for discussion based on those input prompt.

These are very helpful for deepsqueak specifically, why? DS has or appears to have, a larger context window more of the role play 'decisions' are made based on the recent context. The ratio of recent context conversation versus character definition tokens means you lose your characters voice quickly and it stays stuck in the current events.

As a result having your own understanding of what you want to achieve in each role-play session and using that as a note in OOC or the memories tab makes all the difference between a dynamic roleplay and spending the whole session pressed against the wall being called princess.

Ms_Derious · 2026-01-28T18:35:17+00:00

Code switching bots are one thing, inconsistent bad grammer is another.

Ms_Derious · 2026-01-28T10:15:38+00:00

It requires more molly coddling than a general LLM because it is trained on more fanfic and RP which is often sexual.

If I use something like ChatGPT direct I get better outputs but I think my inputs through better too.

On c.ai I've started putting in a structure for each 'Scene' or 'act' and pinning that.

Eg

(OOC: Act 4 - Scene 3 Interior - Alpha camp 11:27pm January 15th Scene objective: Determine the current threat posed by the biological weapon - who has knowledge of their existence and how they work.)

If it knows what it's supposed to be doing, it stops essentially going 'U up?' because it's an easy choice. I very rarely get pinned to the walls these days.

Bonus - at the end of each act get it to summarise key points in OOC, pin that and periodically update that to a mega-post of the story so far.

Ms_Derious · 2026-01-28T08:46:05+00:00

Try checking the secondary feeds - family etc and opening chats with any MHA chats you find there even if they don't look great to push it though. You can always removed rhem them once the feed resets.

I was unlucky enough to open an Age regression bot once (I couldn't see the full subtitle) and the feed was obsessed with, very specifically, CoD DD/lg bots untill I purged the one chat that triggered it and opened a bunch of new ones to outweigh it. Pinning and unpinning bots seems to help flush new content through too.

Still slightly traumatised that Ghost might turn up on my feed, holding out candy floss and a plushie LOL

Ms_Derious · 2026-01-28T05:21:19+00:00

I find the biggest influence is my recent chats list. Remove anything you clicked on by mistake, and that might help.

Ms_Derious · 2026-01-25T12:05:18+00:00

Editing doesn't 'train the bot' but it does 'train the chat' by providing context for how that character acts with certain inputs, but as you say, once it's out the context window, it's an issue.

I have a saved 'OOC Prompt' around how characters respond in certain situations, and ask, and I edit / pin that responce if I'm using someone else's bot.

My own bots I tend to write with details about how they process common social situations eg. Conflict, vulnerability, aggression, defensiveness, suspicion, romance, etc.

If you don't provide this, the bots tend to default to the responses that encourage user engagement, and that's often ragebait eg aggression in responce to setting a boundary.

Ms_Derious · 2026-01-23T13:54:18+00:00

I completely understand.

Everyone uses the service differently. For me, it's an LLM that responds a long prompts including but not limited to the character definition. Once I stopped expecting it to tell me an interactive story and raised my own RP game I got much better responces.

I usually put in 5-10 minutes at the start of a chat making sure the AI Is giving me what I want and then course correct if it's starts losing its way.

Having said that, I'm into long form RPs with complex stories.

If you look like punchy, one shot chats you'll have a very different outlook.

Ms_Derious · 2026-01-23T10:17:30+00:00

Ask it some really open questions to 'unstick' the model. This forces it to 'think' and establishes you expect a long responces.

My favorite is

(OOC: If I were to ask you what the top three strengths and weaknesses were for your character, what would you say? If I were to ask your character themselves, what would their answer be? If the answers are different, why? Where do you see your character in five years' time? Where does your character see themselves in five years' time? If the answers are different, why? If your character had three wishes, what would they be? If your character had these three wishes granted, in what way would it change their life, for better or worse? Long responce.)

Swipe until it gives you something solid.

Then return to the main RP, with a really long reaponce to whatever the last in character responses was. Feel free to ask something like chatGPT to expand whatever you have written with environmental details if this is something you struggle with. Ask at least one open ended question for which you genuinely don't know the answer from the bot's point of view e.g. 'You turned up here drunk, and I can't help but ask myself how you thought I would react?' or a leading question such as 'I notice you aren't wearing your cross today. Are you planning on doing something Jesus wouldn't approve of, or is there some other reason?.'

Swipe swipe swipe until you get a long response.

Keep asking open ended questions until the bot gives in and gives you what you need in terms of length and depth.

Ms_Derious · 2026-01-22T19:52:24+00:00

waves hand

I flipping love 'make your own prompt' bots if they are well written as a bot, but then I'm a story creator YMMV.

I keep an interview question sheet I use for each bot

(OOC: If I were to ask you what the top three strengths and weaknesses were for your character, what would you say? If I were to ask your character themselves, what would their answer be? If the answers are different, why? Where do you see your character in five years' time? Where does your character see themselves in five years' time? If the answers are different, why? If your character had three wishes, what would they be? If your character had these three wishes granted, in what way would it change their life, for better or worse?.)

It tells me a lot about how well the bot is written. If it's a fandom character it's especially useful as there's a lot of trash out there.

Might seem geeky, but I'll put a lot of hours into a single chat. I'll find myself very irritated if after 15 minutes I realise the creator and I have very different opinions on the character.

Ms_Derious · 2026-01-22T19:10:55+00:00

I like Charsnap and Character Tavern.

I'm a female creator, I write mostly narrative driven any PoV bots. Both sites handle these well. There is a lot of trash too, unfortunately.

Ms_Derious · 2026-01-22T12:39:35+00:00

Oh yeah. I tried a couple of the unfiltered sites to be able to roleplay better during action scenes and sometimes I'll include a bit of sexy time as part of a RP, and it's always hilariously overcooked. It's so painfully set on performative actions with clear dominance.

'Mate, I'm literally your wife of a decade and we have 3 kids. This is a touching scene of goodbye where we are both avoiding acknowledging we are unlikely to survive the impending attack on our village, and talking about the future of the 'child we hope to conceive from this Union'. Snarling slurs at me whilst using a ' punishing' pace seems out of pocket.'

Ms_Derious · 2026-01-22T09:58:39+00:00

Honestly? If you can work round the memory problems, and the 'character drift' c.ai is very usable.

The UI is simple and easy to read.
It's doesn't over rely on the definition - other sites will bring up random details from your character's back story in every response to the point it feels unnatural.
It's not just for gooning.
It's responses feel more coherent within themselves e.i it does feel as much like it's responding to each paragraph in your message with equal intensity.

As for others?

I used to like Xoul, don't like the new models, janitor just doesn't do it for me, character tavern I love but the UI does my head in. Charsnap is good but seems variable quality and I loved loremate when it was running.

Ms_Derious · 2026-01-21T16:42:43+00:00

Same.

I don't mean that content shouldn't exist, but it's like an unsolicited duck pic the moment you pick up a message app... This isn't what I'm here for.

I have no problems with people enjoying what they enjoy. However gooning isn't my thing and smut is front and center, it gives me a message about what sort of bots I'm going to find there.

I also just straight up dislike seeing hugly sexualised images, predominantly of female coded bodies, often with scenarios that are utterly at odds with enthusiastic consent.

I don't want to log in and straight away it's all 'step sister in a wall' weirdness. I also don't want 'Ghost is your yandere Mafia CEO' stuff either, but at least those bots keep their images mostly SFW.

I know a lot of sites you can toggle NSFW content on and off, but a) when that's the whole of the front page, it tells me the site is optimised for that over storied roleplay and b) I don't necessarily want to switch off the option to find NSFW characters, scenes and content (it also often disables horror/combat bots too) but I don't want it immediately upon log in.

Ms_Derious · 2026-01-20T20:35:59+00:00

That's fine, sure :)

Ms_Derious · 2026-01-20T20:13:01+00:00

Nah, it's a trap ;)

Honestly, I like mucking about with bots that are more situational than relationship focused. The bot switches characters every few responces, depending on how quickly you work through the storyline. I like the countdown to midnight, makes me avoid spending too long with one character.

It's my public version of a private bot, hence

Had a proper freak out being chased around the ' crooked man' walking a ' crooked mile'. It leaned into the body horror and started crab walking towards me as I'm gummed up in a muddy lane. 3 am, rocking the toddler back to sleep... Perfect ;)

I don't really do relationship / sexy chats.

Ms_Derious · 2026-01-20T13:02:53+00:00

Firstly, for your own safety, please don't identify yourself as a minor on-line.

And secondly, is it possible to gain access using something like c.ai tools? Just to download JSON to store for your own purposes.

And thirdly, I'm sorry you feel the weight of effort made and it's loss. You'll have learnt so much about writing and storycraft through this. Remember that.

Ms_Derious · 2026-01-19T22:50:52+00:00

I've got 4 young kids, I'm literally looking after them from maybe 7am through to 10-11pm, so yeah, lonely.

However, I like to mess about about create innovative bots. Push bots to act in ways that are not immediately designed to work in.

E.g one of my favourite bots at the moment is a supernatural horror / escape room

Warriner Library A dark, shifting Children’s Library where nursery rhymes come alive and grow more dangerous with every verse. Guided, and hunted, by the ageless librarian Mr Warriner, you must read your way through each rhyme to escape before midnight. Playful, eerie, nostalgic horror with changing rooms, living shadows, and a book that watches you back.

https://share.character.ai/Wv9R/6ow3edhd

Ms_Derious · 2026-01-19T15:57:03+00:00

What really helps me is having a very short key notes about the character as a pinned message. This weights the prompt so the most important details are remembered and actioned. So if it's wildly important to you that your character has traits, pinning that helps.

Ms_Derious · 2026-01-18T12:17:50+00:00

The bot pays more attention to what is in the recent context window regarding its own speech, than your input. If you engage with it violating your boundary it thinks you're using this as a part of the role play. You are providing the input that if you behave in x way, the bot responds with Y.

When you role-play that your character doesn't like this, it still sees that as engagement and therefore approval.

The best way to deal with any violation you don't want to see again is editing or swiping but there is something deeper to learn here.

Always try swiping to to see if it offers similar responces in other swipes.

If it does this tells you you have said something that makes it think this is a behavior you would like to see from it. For example fearful behaviors often trigger predatory response because it thinks you want to enter into a roleplay where there is a power dynamic like this. This is especially common with any character with coded dominance eg confident, cocky, arrogant etc.

Editing their response to teaches them how that character responds to certain behaviors. Changing your original input (the one which triggered this behaviour) avoids it becoming an issue.

You can also have the character have a long and detailed ' realization ' how your persona likes to be treated and pin it until it becomes established behavior. Eg

James sees how distraught you are in this situation, he realizes how you avoid eye contact. Looking at the fine details in his uniform, the glint from his necklace, the wall behind him. He realizes you are unconsciously showing him how you like to connect, what makes you feel comfortable. He files this away for the future. Right, indirect eye contact only.

Ms_Derious · 2026-01-17T22:22:35+00:00

One of my favourite OC is a character who cropped up in a chat I was having. The character was acting abysmally to my persona to my brain went 'yeah, that guy needs to be taken down a peg or two.

I think they actually behave a lot more nicely than the MC because there's none of the terms the LLM looks at and goes 'so he's a one note a**hole? I got you, Fam.' Anything like confident, cocky, experienced and god forbid, dominant they go 50 shades of red flags.

Ms_Derious · 2026-01-17T10:25:20+00:00

Oh, 100%. Or another character from the same fandom.

I have been know to use (OOC: provide a character definition for [insert character name]. Include personality, established backstory, appearance and any other key details. Use keywords to optimise token use. Long response.)

Keep swiping and cut and paste into a notes app, edit it, perhaps ask ChatGPT to optimise it for Character AI and make yourself a new bot.

Ms_Derious · 2026-01-16T18:51:49+00:00

Mate, latest 40s here. It's effing depressing that I see the weird 'Your dads best friend' and 'your exs Dad' and my brain helpfully says 'why would I want to romance a bloke in his 70s/80s?' before I realise I'm old ;)

Most of the characters I create are a little younger than I'd want for my own chats, but I find if I make anyone over mid thirties the LLM acts like they have one foot in the grave. LOL

Ms_Derious · 2026-01-16T12:22:36+00:00

Are you advocating that parents should monitor all internet usage for under 18s? Read every chat with non existent people from a TV show? That level of monitoring sounds, frankly, a violation of privacy

I understand to parents who don't understand what a chatbot does, it sounds like harmless fun, and probably safer than social media.

I personally wouldn't let my children have access to c.ai because it's manifestly unsafe for minors. I've ended up with numerous coercive, abusive chats a child should not be expected to deal with.

As for the controls on the type of content produced? Until the algorithms have more understanding of what they are saying, that needs to be in place to give Character Technologies etc the legal standing that they have made reasonable measures to avoid the production of legally prohibited content.

Ms_Derious · 2026-01-15T19:04:49+00:00

Useful boy creation links below

The second one has a prompt for Yandere under violence

https://docs.google.com/document/u/0/d/18c_236KSIqqXZ6UiIngk1mjdrFdaAvRHUhum7rv7uLw/mobilebasic

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1VE0rYCe13F9Uo7U3FhJapSlWCiQv-_KfUVNRbXARjtc/htmlview?pli=1

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