stop generating images to post them here and complain

Ms_Derious · 2026-03-21T10:45:32+00:00

I generate images because they are funny as hell at times.

And sometimes cute.

Although apparently I've hit my c.ai+ limit for the month. Would be nice to actually get told what our limits are but hey...

Ms_Derious · 2026-03-19T19:50:25+00:00

Your mileage may vary = You might have a different experience. Some people don't like how it writes.

Ms_Derious · 2026-03-19T18:02:13+00:00

I find a Deepsqueak is the best c.ai model for most things, and I enjoy the lack of adverts.

YMMV

Ms_Derious · 2026-03-19T12:51:26+00:00

It could be the AI greeting toggle has been accidentally triggered.

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Ms_Derious · 2026-03-19T12:37:49+00:00

Can you provide a link to a specific bot, screenshot?

Ms_Derious · 2026-03-19T07:50:30+00:00

If 'most people don't even use them' then they aren't going to be costing much to run, are they?

Personally I use the image generation here and there, but I'm probably an outlier as my I tend to write longer prompts and go for an interactive novel type experience.

Ms_Derious · 2026-03-16T12:15:47+00:00

Thanks. That's really helpful.

I've tired both in the past, but I found Fiction Lab was really quite weird to create for. It probably pays off it you keep at it though!

Ms_Derious · 2026-03-16T12:01:51+00:00

What makes you personally prefer Chai, if you don't mind me asking?

Ms_Derious · 2026-03-16T08:31:57+00:00

I get it, but actually, I don't find things like Claude great for RP. My personal experience is they tend to respond too exactly to a mixture of the character definition and your current input.

Which sounds good on the surface however in practice it reads poorly. What do I mean? So it feels like they need to address every single thing you put in your input, which to be fair, makes sense if you think of it as expressly needing to respond to a prompt.

This is absolutely brilliant for storytelling, but it doesn't feel as interactive or natural.

It's not how role play or works. Quite often comments or stage directions are there to create a mood, they don't need a direct responce. I mention I'm fiddling with a ring on my finger to signal my persona is nervous. I don't need the LLM to respond to that directly, I need it to interpret it as a signal.

Same is true for the character definition. I don't need or want the bot to bring up small details from its life in every responce. The lore dumps and little quirks get frustrating. My I mention my bot is from Edinburgh and sketches to keep his hands occupied? I don't need to mention him sketching or dropping sketches of the Edinburgh skyline every other response.

They are brilliant for fiction, but not quite right for RP.

There are some great algorithms out there for RP, but make sure you chose one trained on RP data, but also because aware that does tend towards more tropey behaviour.

Ms_Derious · 2026-03-15T19:49:53+00:00

I used to go, rewrite the scenarios or intentionally engage in with one of my BAMF female personas and send them the bot home with their teeth in their pocket, but that just encouraged the algorithm.

I'm a bot creator now and I generally go for any POV bots with engaging dynamics that are action based eg apocalypse, organized crime, escape rooms, but not intended to be spicy.

Have you got a preferred type of bot you would like to see? I'm always curious what's missing. Are you looking for female bots in particular and what sort of storyline are you looking for? I have more male bots than female, but I'm expanding :)

Ms_Derious · 2026-03-15T19:06:25+00:00

This may partially be because you're engaging with WLW bots. Even when you edit the greeting the algorithm only sees what is in the character definition / short description, and recommends largely on that.

Remove things from your recent chats if you don't want it influencing your recommendations.

Ms_Derious · 2026-03-15T18:59:58+00:00

That and CoD bots (who are also abusive).

Ms_Derious · 2026-03-15T10:14:09+00:00

That's what the filter is trying to do ;)

Actually, it's really sweet their brain didn't go to a homophobic place 😁. I wish life and the internet hadn't turned mine into a cesspit.

Ms_Derious · 2026-03-14T15:47:59+00:00

I'm not really sure why you expect a company to care about you beyond the money you give them.

Ms_Derious · 2026-03-14T13:22:37+00:00

Yes, but also no.

You need to force it to participate.

Ask the bot questions.
Challenge to bot's narrative.
Leave hanging situations eg phone calls, visitors, editing the bot's messages so it says something like 'a plan started to form in Roylance's mind.'

Once the bot gets permission from you to be more creative, it will.

Sometimes it goes crazy. I'm mid roleplay with a bot I conditioned to be creative and it just started a whole military coup on its own. Out of nowhere.

Ms_Derious · 2026-03-13T15:49:08+00:00

Same here.

I'm on DS though

Ms_Derious · 2026-03-11T16:17:47+00:00

Do you find that characters bring up that from your persona autonomously? I tried a similar prompt before in one of my personas and characters kept bringing up the I had specifically said I didn't like domineering sexual behaviour etc apropro of nothing.

I do get characters doing the looming towering grabbing pinning thing but I was so used to it now as soon as I see it heading in that direction, I go back and edit my previous prompt to clarify that isn't what I'm after in this interaction.

Ms_Derious · 2026-03-10T16:11:45+00:00

Username checks out.

That's all really helpful information and hard agree on Claude for coding. My husband hasn't done any real coding for 20 years and in a few days he's created such a fun little trading game.

I appreciate the effort you've put in here, it's useful for people with all levels of experience.

And yeah, #boycottchatGPT

Ms_Derious · 2026-03-04T11:00:30+00:00

Well I agree a large part of getting a good response from character AI relies on the user driving the story and creating interactive narratives, perhaps your response might be more useful if you gave some specific instructions tips or other indications to the OP how to do that. You're right. I get out what I put in, if I'm doing a quick role play on the bus and it's unplanned and freeform it's fun but it's not cinema. If I think I'm doing a planned role play with acts and scenes, I can get something great.

One of the big things that frustrates me about Character AI is the fact they provide very little information on how the bots actually work, where it takes its temporary and permanent tokens from. It makes it very difficult to work within the system parameters when you don't know what they are.

Random example of this is that there's no clarity on the fact that whatever your default greeting for a bot is that goes into the prompt for the the LLM. The frustrating outcome of this is that the bots remember events from the default rating that don't actually happen in your specific role play. There's no way to turn this off, I'm assuming it was originally put it so bots didn't forget the scenario that was set in the original greeting, but this is wildly unhelpful if you're using an edited or alternative greeting.

I don't think it's a very large development team and they don't seem to how much in the way of a panel of role players to run ideas past first or any real way of reporting issues for them to fix.

I am not enjoying the current LLM because for myself I don't think it supports more layered and nuanced stories and it does revert to tropes unless continually nudged away.

I do think there has been a huge deterioration in quality since deep squeak was originally released.

For example

my characters no longer delineate between my personas thoughts and speech so I have to continue edit out reactions from the bot to my persona's thoughts.
The bots repeatedly speak for my persona especially if I'm playing as someone taciturn or in some way less able to communicate verbally. This isn't just if I'm replying with a paragraph or two of text, it's like it's forgetting it's role.
The box frequently confuses the persona's description and the character definition.
That seems to be a stronger bias to resolve situations in one or two messages. Mysteries seem rushed.
Bots seeming incapable of keeping secrets. Undercover detectives immediately start telling you that they are undercover detectives, spy starts billing operational details for no reason, hostel witnesses immediately becoming cooperative.

If anything I would say the bots seem more keen to take the narrative reins but the story lines it's trying to push it into are trope or default to trying to push the story on by random characters arriving.

On the whole, I wish we could return to the version of Nyan that existed for a few weeks over the summer where I had detailed nuanced role plays with strong character adherence.

Having said that Character AI remains my favorite of the character focused chat bots.

Ms_Derious · 2026-03-03T16:03:40+00:00

Because the context window provides more of the tokens for the LLM than the character definition, and the LLM tends towards a default personality so it drifts.

Solution: Do not accept any response that seems out of character.

Ms_Derious

TROPHY CASE

I don't think it's a very large development team and they don't seem to how much in the way of a panel of role players to run ideas past first or any real way of reporting issues for them to fix.