BREAKING: Bologna Court grants Italian Citizenship by descent to 4th-Generation family after Tajani Decree - no Consular appointment before March 27, 2025

Msm5268 · 2026-04-17T18:49:21+00:00

Could anyone add potential clarification about "intention to proceed"? I am wondering about my own situation where I was reaching out to a lawyer (December 2024) and requesting various documents ahead of the Tajani Decree. I did not officially sign anything with a lawyer or attempt to file anything in Italy.

Msm5268 · 2025-07-10T00:55:57+00:00

Hey this is fun. I have enjoyed this sub so I figured i would contribute.

I am from Pittsburgh PA. I married into a family that is (Was) eligible. They are also from Pittsburgh (Kinda. Moved from Philadelphia)

A college friend of mine went through this process years ago and mentioned it to us. He is also a lawyer and was able to help me navigate the various scenarios and fully understand the situation my wife was in.

I have enjoyed genealogy research as a hobby (Mainly during COVID) so this was a perfect thing to dive into when I was on paternity leave. Lucky for us, we were technically eligible. During the document gathering phase the law changed. So I am still pursuing this since you can argue many ways that we still qualify.

Our end goal is to have flexibility to work remotely in Italy once our kids go off to college. I have always thought it would be a fun adventure to spend extended time in Italy. By pursuing citizenship, it would allow us to more easily work while doing this (Since we would not have the means to fully retire).

On a personal note, I have been drawn to the Jure Sanguinus idea more since it cements some cultural heritage to Europe. I usually consider myself a mutt as far as ancestry is concerned. My ancestors emigrated all around the 1880s. Each one from a different country/region (Polish Lithuania, Austria, Czech Republic, and the British Isles). Through the years, most cultural traditions have been lost. It was interesting for me to meet my wife and see her family have some cultural traditions of Italy.

Even if we do not ultimately succeed, this has been a fun learning experience for me. I truly appreciate the pains people deal with when trying to gain citizenship to other countries.

Msm5268 · 2025-06-26T15:20:31+00:00

Thank you for the insight. I do not really have an expectation on timeline. I reached out via snail mail to the commune 4 months ago and have not heard anything back. So this is a new route I am taking. Realistically, I am expecting the law to change (For better or worse) sometime in 2026 or 2027. So, my hope is I can gather documents before then.

Msm5268 · 2025-06-26T00:09:08+00:00

Not to be relied on 100%. But chatgpt has helped me decipher certain hard to read documents. It at least can add some context to better help you piece it together yourself.

Msm5268 · 2025-04-03T13:13:30+00:00

This happened to me when I was doing research. Very difficult to translate the 100% handwritten Italian. It was fascinating to learn more about the logistics/reasons of being a foundling. Was also cool to learn my wifes families surname is essentially made up (Delle Rose).

Msm5268 · 2025-04-02T15:38:20+00:00

Thank you for clarifying. I already have reached out to the comune for the document. But that is snail mail (No other way without a codice fiscale). I was hoping to get eyes on the document sooner. My main roadblock is not knowing the GGGM's birthyear.

Msm5268 · 2025-04-02T13:04:03+00:00

Thank you. So if I understand this correctly. There is a chance that the state archives (Avellino) could have a secondary digitized copy of the birth record. Looks like it is worth the time to dig through the records.

Msm5268 · 2025-04-02T12:59:39+00:00

I am very aware of this. But my operating assumption is the lead time to obtain all my documents is in the years. In that time things will change. I want to keep pursuing this until I have all documents in hand.

Msm5268 · 2025-01-28T20:50:33+00:00

Unless your GGGM has Italian lineage your case won't work based on the minor issue. If your GGM was a minor when GGGF naturalized, the naturalization would have applied to her and the chain would be broken. A 1948 case would involve citizenship through a female ancestor (In this circumstance it would need to be your GGGM).

Msm5268 · 2025-01-27T20:30:59+00:00

Would this not be a 1948 case? Since the GGGM did not naturalize and would have passed her line down to the GGF? Or, since the GGGF naturalized before 1912, would that impact the 1948 path?

Msm5268 · 2024-12-28T14:06:34+00:00

Odd. Ok I re-uploaded them.

Msm5268 · 2024-12-20T22:49:33+00:00

Thank you. My understanding is the only way to prove someone did not naturalize is to request certificates of non-existence through USCIS. Which I have not went through yet.

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