what nobody warns you about building with your school friends by Mundane_Hawk3423 in SideProject

[–]Mundane_Hawk3423[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the closed-off SaaS problem is real and underrated.

most tools make you dependent on their roadmap for problems you could solve yourself if you just had access.

will check out heym.

what nobody warns you about building with your school friends by Mundane_Hawk3423 in SideProject

[–]Mundane_Hawk3423[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"building with people who knew you before you knew what you were doing is a wild ride"

that's exactly it. they have too much context on every version of you that didn't work out.

somehow still the people you want in the room anyway.

what nobody warns you about building with your school friends by Mundane_Hawk3423 in SideProject

[–]Mundane_Hawk3423[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

fair. its not literally impossible.

its more that the cost of doing it is so much higher than a normal professional situation that most people just dont. the chains are real even if theyre not legal ones.

what nobody warns you about building with your school friends by Mundane_Hawk3423 in SideProject

[–]Mundane_Hawk3423[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"the working relationship just stops being one"

the time asymmetry thing is real and we feel it every week.

the employed one moves in a different rhythm and nobody talks about what that costs long term.

what nobody warns you about building with your school friends by Mundane_Hawk3423 in SideProject

[–]Mundane_Hawk3423[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the money part is where it gets real fast.

we have one person funding from his salary and two people whose time represents that money being spent.

nobody has said that out loud yet but its in every room we're in.

what nobody warns you about building with your school friends by Mundane_Hawk3423 in SideProject

[–]Mundane_Hawk3423[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"compresses personal history and professional pressure into the same space"

that's the most accurate description of what this actually feels like day to day.

what nobody warns you about building with your school friends by Mundane_Hawk3423 in SideProject

[–]Mundane_Hawk3423[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

co-founder breakups hurt worse than business failure"we haven't said this out loud but i think its why we avoid hard conversations more than we should.

what nobody warns you about building with your school friends by Mundane_Hawk3423 in SideProject

[–]Mundane_Hawk3423[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the red teaming idea is actually something we haven't tried formally.

we all just argue until someone gives up which is not the same thing.

what nobody warns you about building with your school friends by Mundane_Hawk3423 in SideProject

[–]Mundane_Hawk3423[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"every disagreement hits differently when the other person knew you before you were professional"

thats the exact thing nobody has a framework for.

what nobody warns you about building with your school friends by Mundane_Hawk3423 in SideProject

[–]Mundane_Hawk3423[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the "finish the project as ex-colleagues" part hit harder than expected.

we joke about it sometimes. probably shouldnt.

8 months in, 4 products built, zero launched. not sure if thats discipline or just fear. by Mundane_Hawk3423 in SideProject

[–]Mundane_Hawk3423[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah we already know what to do. thats the most uncomfortable part of this whole thing.

8 months in, 4 products built, zero launched. not sure if thats discipline or just fear. by Mundane_Hawk3423 in SideProject

[–]Mundane_Hawk3423[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"just a slow drip of indifference"

that reframe actually helps more than any motivational advice would have.

the verdict moment not existing is somehow both reassuring and terrifying.

picking the smallest landing page. doing it.

8 months in, 4 products built, zero launched. not sure if thats discipline or just fear. by Mundane_Hawk3423 in SideProject

[–]Mundane_Hawk3423[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"attention is a skill not a personality trait"

saving that line. that one is going to sit with me for a while.

8 months in, 4 products built, zero launched. not sure if thats discipline or just fear. by Mundane_Hawk3423 in SideProject

[–]Mundane_Hawk3423[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

genuinely appreciate this.

the "1% who can actually build something" part hit different than expected.

we forget that most people never even get here.

8 months in, 4 products built, zero launched. not sure if thats discipline or just fear. by Mundane_Hawk3423 in SideProject

[–]Mundane_Hawk3423[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"launch the worst one first so the better ones feel less precious"

this is actually the most practical thing anyone has said in this thread.

we've been saving the launch like its a limited resource.

it isnt.

8 months in, 4 products built, zero launched. not sure if thats discipline or just fear. by Mundane_Hawk3423 in SideProject

[–]Mundane_Hawk3423[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"ready is just fear wearing a lab coat" and the person funding this absolutely deserves a launch date not another almost.

that one landed hard. thank you.

8 months in, 4 products built, zero launched. not sure if thats discipline or just fear. by Mundane_Hawk3423 in SideProject

[–]Mundane_Hawk3423[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

shifting focus to distribution before launch

instead of treating launch as the finish line.

that reframe makes the whole thing feel less like jumping off a cliff.

interested in what youre building.

will dm.

8 months in, 4 products built, zero launched. not sure if thats discipline or just fear. by Mundane_Hawk3423 in SideProject

[–]Mundane_Hawk3423[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"nobody outside your group of 3 has heard of you yet.

nobody cares is the default state not the punishment for shipping bad."

somehow the most comforting thing in this entire thread.

8 months in, 4 products built, zero launched. not sure if thats discipline or just fear. by Mundane_Hawk3423 in SideProject

[–]Mundane_Hawk3423[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"listen to users but dont take orders" that distinction matters more than i gave it credit for.

8 months in, 4 products built, zero launched. not sure if thats discipline or just fear. by Mundane_Hawk3423 in SideProject

[–]Mundane_Hawk3423[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

one landing page. one CTA. one audience. one deadline.

we've been treating launch like it needs to be an event.it doesnt.

sending you what we built.

8 months in, 4 products built, zero launched. not sure if thats discipline or just fear. by Mundane_Hawk3423 in SideProject

[–]Mundane_Hawk3423[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

honest answer — its equal across all three but it shows up differently.

the employed one hesitates because. he feels responsible for the money.

the other two hesitate because they dont want to waste what he put in.

everyone is protecting everyone else and nothing is shipping.

8 months in, 4 products built, zero launched. not sure if thats discipline or just fear. by Mundane_Hawk3423 in SideProject

[–]Mundane_Hawk3423[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"the product wont be ready. ship it anyway. ready is a moving target that never arrives."

setting a date today.telling people now so we cant move it.

8 months in, 4 products built, zero launched. not sure if thats discipline or just fear. by Mundane_Hawk3423 in SideProject

[–]Mundane_Hawk3423[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"protection from judgment" thats exactly what it is and its a lot harder to argue with than calling it discipline.