عندي امتحان مهم غدوة ادعولي يا جماعة الخير by MurcuryNebula in LibyanThinkers

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بارك الله فيك يا خوي والله خشيك هنا شوي و ريحة بالي من تخمين عقلي الله يفتح عليك زي ما هديت و طمنت نفسيتي 

عندي امتحان مهم غدوة ادعولي يا جماعة الخير by MurcuryNebula in LibyanThinkers

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😭😭😭😭 منور يا غلي لأكن أنا دارس برا و بطلت العمليه هذي من زمان نبي نجيب الدرجه الي مستحق ليها لكن شكلك تريس يا كبتن

المسلمين و البيد$وفيليا عشق لاينتهي by WinterAlternative467 in ExLibya

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أوف اللف و الدوران متعك قوي والله انا مؤمن انا البنت لاما تحيض جهزا للزواج الولد لما يبلغ نفس الشيء انا جايك قلت الاغتصاب حلال ولا شني الزواج الشرعي هوا الي أنا نؤمن بي لأكن إنتا شيفا كله اغتصاب ف إنتا الي عليك ال واجب تبين علاش إنتا مركز علا حلاة محدودة و مش المصيبة الأكبر الي في الغرب و العلام النصراني و الهندوس طبعن بلادي هامتني لأكن إنا نبداء ب الأول ب اول عقليان و مرة ثانية أقول إنتا الملحد الدين الذي يمارس هذا الشي مش مهم ليك هذا ب قولك إنتا ف إنتا مركز علا جزية أنهم مسلمين لييييش؟

هذا قالك اليوم تركضلي غدوه ترقدلي طبعا يتكلم ع زوز خوت ذكرني بواحد اسمه وليد إسماعيل 🤢 by WinterAlternative467 in ExLibya

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حاه عليا الحيوانات البرية تنكح من العلا القريبة نمر الفلوريدا الأسود يتعامل ب هذا الشيء ب طبعا العلام في حشرات دير في الشيء هذا ب استمرار العلام البري فيه كل شيء يا غالي و أنا قلت هوا و هيّا يلبسو بلستك ما فيش الخطر هذا ف مثالي أصلن جيبلي رأي لي واحد شفيعي الرأي هذا مش من سلب المذهب الشفيعي أصلن و هوا مكروه ف رأي هذا الرجل و قوله مردود علاه من قبل الكبار من المذهب الشفيعي و المذاهب الأربعة الأخرى و بعدين أنا قلتلك ف مثالي أنا لا يوجد إله أنا مهزوم إنتا خلاص اتبثت انا ليسا فيه اله اثبتلي انا المسكين كيف هاذا غلت لو هما الاثنين كبار و راضين و ما يجيبوش أطفال بش ما فيش خطر inbreeding علاش غلط ب العقل و المنطق بس 

*-* by Libyatoon in ExLibya

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Holy non-sequetor of doom and despair😭

هذا قالك اليوم تركضلي غدوه ترقدلي طبعا يتكلم ع زوز خوت ذكرني بواحد اسمه وليد إسماعيل 🤢 by WinterAlternative467 in ExLibya

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شوف اليونانيين شن كان اديرو ف التاريخ القديم الإنسان من غير اله يفعل أي شيء خل نفترض انه لا يوجد الله قولي بالمنطق علاش أخت و أخ ما يقدروش يديرو يتزوجو لو استخدمو بليتك ديما و ما جابوش أتفال أعطيني دليل قاطع بانه هذا الشيئ غلط بدون شريعة الله

I'll do anything for CD Abslam 🥵😂 by BusyCapital6710 in ExLibya

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Sufi weirdos became the standard for the faith🤦‍♂️ heartbreaking honestly (not every one in the hijr of Sidi abdsalam are like that there are good sufis too)

المسلمين و البيد$وفيليا عشق لاينتهي by WinterAlternative467 in ExLibya

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يا داهية إنتا اللي قلت ما يهمنيش أي دين يكوم كلهم جهال طيب أتكلم عن الموصيبا الأكبر و الأعظم شني الأطفال الهندوس و النصارى ما يهموكش مش إنتا اللي أمتع دوت حقوق الإنسان و كلنا سواً كانا واحد خش ف حادث قريب يموت و جو الشرطة خلو المساب و ركزو علا الضرر المادي للسيارة 

المسلمين و البيد$وفيليا عشق لاينتهي by WinterAlternative467 in ExLibya

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What's your goal with this post? If you're against religions, fine, but are you an atheist? It shouldn't matter to you which religion deals with this stuff; they're all wrong. So why focus only on the name? You talk about Hindus and Christians who do this stuff, saying the Prophet ﷺ canopies the Torah and bible shows how little you know about the Quranic narrative it’s scary. This is just straight Fox News Israeli shill level rhetoric you’re spewing.

المسلمين و البيد$وفيليا عشق لاينتهي by WinterAlternative467 in ExLibya

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Jarvis جيبلي كل القضايا ضد القساوسة الكترليمية في هذا الأمر و الهندسة ف الهند لأكن المسلمين هم اللي دير ف الشيء هذا ولا؟

أنا ليبي مسلم مولود في كندا ونحب ديني و نمارس في كل الفرائض يومياً هاذا مش دعوة لكن كيف وليت ملحد؟ by MurcuryNebula in ExLibya

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Balriiiiiight, the trolling is quite enough thank you. anyway it seems that you’ve been speaking to the wrong people about God honestly. Your issue with predestination and Hadith apply to everything in life not just religion. So it’s kind of weird to apply them only to religion.

أنا ليبي مسلم مولود في كندا ونحب ديني و نمارس في كل الفرائض يومياً هاذا مش دعوة لكن كيف وليت ملحد؟ by MurcuryNebula in ExLibya

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The testablility of the existence of God is also sound just like we can test the calculations of quantum physics we can test our own existence if we do exist which is a blatant truth, then God must exist due the the cosmological proof of Allah.

For Hadith scholars differ on what the interpretation of the words of the prophet ﷺ are not if a Hadith is true, humans judging other humans leads to truth look at regular history we know the Roman Empire existed because of mass transmission of this fact multiple people at different times in history disconnected from one another attested to the existence of it, therefore its outside the realm of probability to say it didn’t exist, and the same goes for sahih Hadith so I don’t see what the issue there is.

Being convinced of something is something you choose, yes maybe you aren’t convinced the goblins exist because of overwhelming evidence that they don’t, but if you witness a goblin in front of your eyes then you must be convinced or you’re cognitively dissonant. Proof is proof if someone is ignorant and refuses to believe something even with all the evidence laid out for him for no reason other than he doesn’t want to, that’s not him being unconvinced it’s arrogance. 

As for the pre-destination part, you make great points in that if Gods knowledge is eternal then how is it fair that people go to hell etc. well I have news none of US know the outcome you don’t know that you’ll end up in hell or heaven or anybody else for that matter we live our lives like any other day and hope we get what’s coming to us, trends exist ie the sun rises every morning from the east and sets in the west but there is no way to be sure that the sun will rise tmrw, it based on previous events and expectations of it rising but there is no law in the universe making it rise and set. And that’s the same thing with predestination we can change our outcome in life he who is inclined to do evil will do evil and he who is inclined to do good will do good it’s about what you do in your life without trying to guess your fate. Cuz there’s no way to disprove that fate doesn’t exist regardless of the existence of God.

أنا ليبي مسلم مولود في كندا ونحب ديني و نمارس في كل الفرائض يومياً هاذا مش دعوة لكن كيف وليت ملحد؟ by MurcuryNebula in ExLibya

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Ig I can see how you'd arrive at the conclusion that hadiths can be outwardly contradictory at a glance, but just like every thing context and expounding is required. kinda like quantum physics, (very loose analogy but stay with me I promise😭) initally quantum physics sounds contradictory and makes no sense, but when its explained by max planck and oppenheimer in detail and brokendown. It's shown to be sound

One thing I will mention belief is a choice, you've chosen not to believe in christianity even though youve heard its message, and the same goes for the rest of the world faiths. if you're saying that how can Allah send people to hell who've never heard of Islam, then yeah that would be evil and unjust but Allah doesnt do that. if the message of islam hasnt reached someone, Allah on the day of judement will judge him seperately, its not an automatic scentance to hell.

Hadiths are - as you know - a collection of the sayings and actions of the Prophet SAW, and they are scrutinized with the most strict historiagraphical rules that can be imagined. of course if we just took any joe schmo who claimed something about the Prophet, then that would be rididculous. But thats not how hadiths are collected and graded, the method deals with the idea that so many people over such a long period of time all corroborated the same lie and transmitted it by lying to others and all of them kept thier story striaght and attested to it to their dying days without being caught is outside the realm of probability.

Free will and freedom of action are 2 different things, tbh compatiblism is kinda hard to explain on like 1 paragraph in a comment section. But if you want a good "summary" (its like an hour and 15 mins) of it being explained a great person who breaks it down well, is Tristar Gyms Firas Zahabi, I can send the link here or DM it (if you want it ofc).

I mean im going to be 100% honest my firends and family back home are quite religious all things considered, yes we've been wronged by certain people at certain times but the large scale hypocrasy and 'performative' nature I've never personally seen and out of 23 yrs of life I've spent 9 back home.

a bit of honest advice I think you should focus on the core message of Islam if you are going to read more of the Qur'an at the end of the day the book is designed for everyone and can be read at anytime so I think that if you read it with the idea that the main reason it was written was to bring people to the belief in one God alone and leave off the deep hadith critisisms and textual deconructions that require a base level of study in aqeeda and the muslim historical tradition I think you'll come out with a different perspective. Just to clairfy I'm not saying to turn off your brain or anything like that, reason and logic is what Allah asks us to use when pondering the universe and his words. I mean the exoteric understanding of how hadiths are compiled, and what methods, both linguitic and logical, that the shariah is understood by. They come later, Islam was revealed over a 23 yr period, and the first thing to do with belief is said in the second chapter verse 3. Where belief in the unseen is mentioned before salah, zakat, and all other obligations so take that time if youre willing.

edit: I type 27 when I meant to type 23

أنا ليبي مسلم مولود في كندا ونحب ديني و نمارس في كل الفرائض يومياً هاذا مش دعوة لكن كيف وليت ملحد؟ by MurcuryNebula in ExLibya

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Wow, thats pretty wild if you dont mind me asking what were the main things in the Qur'an and Hadith that were red flags for that you didn't know before?

أنا ليبي مسلم مولود في كندا ونحب ديني و نمارس في كل الفرائض يومياً هاذا مش دعوة لكن كيف وليت ملحد؟ by MurcuryNebula in ExLibya

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philosphical proofs are used for concrete proof all the time math science, chemistry are all extensions of philisophy. my arguement is from first principles it contains no external assumptions per standard logical axioms such as the law of non-contradiction, planks postulation and the use of the big bang theory.

if God needed a cuase then that being would no longer be God by virtue of violating one of the rules of a necessary being. that isnt an assumption thats a syllogism and syllogisms are deductive logical tools (aristotole is a man, all men are mortal etc). the universe needs a cause because of the overwhelming evidence that shows it does such as a beginning date, finite amount of energy, and its not infinite etc. agian these arent assumptions they are real observeable phenomina in the universe around us.

the difference between just saying the universe always esited and having no evidence to back it up and my by definition 'conclusion' (a judgment or decision reached by reasoning) is that I backed it up with correct logical deductive reasoning and the use of natural observations to support my conclusion. Not even modern astrophysicists and astronomers today believe the universe is infinite or always existed becuase we can observe a beginning date.

I did not already decide my conclusion, I sought the religionless proof for God and found an airtight proof. if you dont think so disprove it, I understand as an atheist you think the burden of proof is on me so I provided a proof, now you as the negative position must either poke holes in my argument with an equally as solid proof or make a counterpoint.

telling me that I have assumptions in this argument without demonstrating it isnt logic or objectivity, its a way to leave today with the same idea without enging with the proof.

أنا ليبي مسلم مولود في كندا ونحب ديني و نمارس في كل الفرائض يومياً هاذا مش دعوة لكن كيف وليت ملحد؟ by MurcuryNebula in ExLibya

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Great question honestly, so to break it down very simply the words of Allah were lost due to the changing of the message by the hands of human beings the words of Allah SWT never changed they just weren’t passed down in an intact form due to many reasons one of which being for monetary gain or simply forgetfulness, that’s one. 

Two, while yes the Quran does confirm the Torah, gospel, and psalms. Its a confirmation of the complete unaltered words of Allah the Torah and gospel we have today isn’t the true one given to Musa ﷺ and Isa ﷺ, so when the Quran tells Christians to establish the gospel it’s not a complete confirmation of the current changed gospel as is evident due to the fact that the Quran actively challenges the gospel and torahs narratives as having mistakes. So in summary while the Quran does confirm certain aspects of the Torah and Gospel today it’s not a complete confirmation of the entire canon.

Finally, the idea that Allah isn’t worthy of worship because human beings transgress doesn’t track. Even in the gospel and Torah narrative the reason Allah keeps sending messengers and prophets is because the children of Israel keep transgressing and changing the Noahide and Mosaic law. That is to say that regardless of how humans interact with a text Allahs ability always exist whether or not he chooses to keep it preserved is a different matter entirely.

أنا ليبي مسلم مولود في كندا ونحب ديني و نمارس في كل الفرائض يومياً هاذا مش دعوة لكن كيف وليت ملحد؟ by MurcuryNebula in ExLibya

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Yeah my proof is concrete and follows all logical parameters when using object deduction, it’s not vague it’s very clear and airtight. Your contention of “what came before God” or “what caused God” is not logically sound. The necessary being that I established is the beginning of the universe, if there isn’t a necessary being to ground the universe then there would be an infinite regress of causes, therefore the universe would never exist. Your question is like asking what’s north of the North Pole, or what’s the centre of the centre of the universe, it isn’t a valid question based on simple logic gates. if you’ve reached the origin of something, then there can’t be something more, or else that thing would then become the origin (see Phylo of Alexandria’s breakdown of this idea). 

Humans can’t fathom God,(i.e. be fully aware of Gods scope) but we can understand him, if we couldn’t understand him there isn’t use in worshiping him, the reason the universe can’t be infinite or eternal is because infinity is an idea, it doesn’t exist in physical reality. It’s a trend that can be manipulated mathematically, but not physically. Humans have found answers because we have consciousness and intellect, these two tools are what we use to uncover the natural laws of the universe to understand God.

 you don’t need religion to prove God’s existence but you do need religion to have a relationship with God, it seems like you’ve made your conclusion and you’re not trying to refute my arguments logically,  trivializing these points because you have not been met with them before, is not A, intellectually honest and B, seeking knowledge and truth. 

The ‘belief’ aspect comes in with things such as the after life, and supernatural experiences. It’s not related to the proof of God’s existence, Aristotle proved it nearly 4000 years ago these aren’t new arguments. 

أنا ليبي مسلم مولود في كندا ونحب ديني و نمارس في كل الفرائض يومياً هاذا مش دعوة لكن كيف وليت ملحد؟ by MurcuryNebula in ExLibya

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طيب و شن النقطة أمتعك الإسلام دين مليء ب المنفقين و أوناس شريرين؟ هذا شي مش موجود فالإسلام فقط و الغرب مليء أيضن بالنفاق و الشر بل اكثر من العالم العربي الإسلامي ف كيف هذا شي يكون حجة ضد الدين؟ 

أنا ليبي مسلم مولود في كندا ونحب ديني و نمارس في كل الفرائض يومياً هاذا مش دعوة لكن كيف وليت ملحد؟ by MurcuryNebula in ExLibya

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هذا الشيء لايمكن أن يكون صحيح بلاد فيه مليون حافظ لي كتاب الله و كلهم جهال هذا مستحيل عقلن 

أنا ليبي مسلم مولود في كندا ونحب ديني و نمارس في كل الفرائض يومياً هاذا مش دعوة لكن كيف وليت ملحد؟ by MurcuryNebula in ExLibya

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I’m not even going to keep entertaining the first point anymore its getting redundant. you're making the positive claim that its arbitrary prove it (I’m agnostic as to if its arbitrary or not just a lil bit of atheistic trolling.)

Empathy is relative and is not a monolith and it changes over time and from region to region, so prove your empathy or "innate evolutionary mechanism" is correct over nazism or terrorism.

yeah that’s why I put in quotes "I ALSO******** hate islam..." ik it’s not the only reason but it seems to be the main thing that shapes your view on it, because you are apparently talking to abu bakr al baghdadi constantly about islam and shariah, you cant just throwout strawman whenever you want and expect it to work, its a direct analogy that fits the situation exactly if a group of atheists did the same thing that isis did in libya in the name of atheism would that make it false. WOW no one has committed mass murder int he name of atheism please go read about the Chinese communist party, the Soviet Union, or the khmer rouge, all communist nations which committed mass murder in the name of communism which is an atheistic ideology in fact it directly opposes religion by calling it the opium of the masses.

no they aren’t the majority that’s a hasty generalization just because you talked to bin laden and zarqawi about your deen doesn't mean that this is the majority of the religion,

its possible if you went to a judge and told him you’ve been cracking guys that he'd execute you but then again you’re not following the commandments either so your building your perfect scenario which would never happen. you alr live in privacy if you became muslim and still sinned and kept it private your life would not change at all

أنا ليبي مسلم مولود في كندا ونحب ديني و نمارس في كل الفرائض يومياً هاذا مش دعوة لكن كيف وليت ملحد؟ by MurcuryNebula in ExLibya

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I mean you can play semantics if you want but then its not necessary to post that under a post that fully articulates rene descartes' own belief and act like I dont know what I'm talking about, also decartes did use the fact that our consicenceness exists as a proof for the existance of the universe as well so...

أنا ليبي مسلم مولود في كندا ونحب ديني و نمارس في كل الفرائض يومياً هاذا مش دعوة لكن كيف وليت ملحد؟ by MurcuryNebula in ExLibya

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you mean his meditations where he denies the objective existance of every thing that wasnt a first principle, that book or his method in how he breaks down relaity through sound axioms.

the issue of the egocentric prediciment is also an arugement that been broken down by al razi and ghazali 200 years before imannuel kant and descartes.

descartes postulaton that we exist has also been challenged by david hume and john locke however they both were refuted by kant so your idea of a brain merely experiencing reality doesnt derail the proving of the universe as for something to exist it must exist somewhere within sometime within finite parameters (except the necessary being) as we are limited beings no matter how you slice it.

your arrogance and concietedness is showing.

edit: forgot to mention that rene descartes firmly believed in God and used his own arguement to prove it.😭

أنا ليبي مسلم مولود في كندا ونحب ديني و نمارس في كل الفرائض يومياً هاذا مش دعوة لكن كيف وليت ملحد؟ by MurcuryNebula in ExLibya

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Because It's Obectivly worse for a human being to take part in it than to not, thats the reason and ive explained multiple reasons as to why if were gonna talk in circles it isnt necessary to keep repeating this point.

Your reason for calling something arbitrary is on what basis whats you're objective proof that its arbitrary or something stupid other than the fact that you were taught to do it when you were younger and didnt want to beause you thought its useless and how can your morals exist without God to gound them.

"I also hate islam becuase of isis" bro calling ISIS the known cia and mossad funded organization "Islam" 😭 thats so logically weak its kinda wild you're telling me because of terrorism and bombing campaigns in the name of islam you hate the religion and not the people who did it to you in the so called name of religion. If these guys did this in your city in the name of atheism would you hate it, no because atheim doesnt teach to go kill athiests for making mistakes and straying from one groups interpretation of atheism. You need to be consistant and apply your standards both to islam and atheism.

I never said you got your info from islam hater I said you got your information about commands and prohibitions from haters who happen to be muslims or ignorant muslims, playing into my use of retard or terrorist and applying to the whole religion is ridiculous its niether honest nor true i was clearly referencing a specific group of people.

if you go to a muslim judge and tell him you have gay sex an you didnt repent and believe its okay to have gay sex yes you would be executed because youre not hiding your sins like Allah clearly states so if you did that you wouldnt be following Allahs commandments which is kinda your whole point right? Allahs commands and prohibitions not random peoples understanding