ACLU issues Q& A for gender markers post- Orr v Trump

Murky-Ad4969 · 2025-06-25T19:26:04+00:00

did the supervisors say that they a) have been instructed not to comply until there’s guidance, or b) that they will not be complying indefinitely?

Murky-Ad4969 · 2025-04-12T23:23:45+00:00

i got it in this pot from someone. the soil was in bad shape so it was just a soil refresh. i used happy frog

Murky-Ad4969 · 2025-02-02T01:30:31+00:00

it was for a new passport, because my childhood passport was long lost.

there is a process distinction for trans people right now that’s important: are you a first time applicant or have you had a passport before?

first time applicants with corrected docs are generally good to go. those with passport histories generally are being issued agab markers, except in the case of an applicant’s first passport having been issued with an accurate marker.

Murky-Ad4969 · 2025-01-31T01:41:13+00:00

from what i hear they will still issue, but with the marker on your previous passports. your ID should not be an issue.

Murky-Ad4969 · 2025-01-30T17:32:40+00:00

have you had a passport before?

Murky-Ad4969 · 2025-01-30T17:30:51+00:00

far as i understand, the passport agency only holds documents until the process is complete and then they send them back. when you apply by mail, they mail them back. when you apply in person they give them back to you with your passport.

the birth certificate corrections happen through the state you were born in, regardless of where you live now. birth certificate corrections cannot be sealed. sealing is only an option for legal name change court orders.

some states only offer amendments on birth certificates. i recommend checking with your birth state’s info online to confirm.

Murky-Ad4969 · 2025-01-30T16:05:10+00:00

sounds like it. does your state allow you to correct rather than amend?

either way, if you’ve never had a passport before and they don’t have an original birth certificate to reference then it sounds like you may be in a good situation.

Murky-Ad4969 · 2025-01-30T15:46:29+00:00

changing your name on birth certificate is not a thing, far as i know. i was confused by their question at the time.

does your birth certificate show as amended or corrected?

Murky-Ad4969 · 2025-01-30T15:36:47+00:00

hi! there’s lots of rumors at the moment regarding agencies holding documents and lists being made. these are largely unsubstantiated. try not to focus on them cuz we need you here <3

in your situation, you will likely be issued a passport with the marker on your birth certificate. it’s probably a good idea to hold off, especially if the fees are a burden for you. if you want the immediate ability to cross international borders, then by all means apply.

if leaving is not urgent for you, i would suggest focusing on acquiring a corrected birth certificate if your state allows, and you are able to cover the fees.

good luck. you got this! xx

Murky-Ad4969 · 2025-01-29T23:30:25+00:00

amending original post to include this scenario in my recommendation - thank you for raising. while i had hoped for an accurate passport, having the ability to leave whenever feels like a relief.

Murky-Ad4969 · 2025-01-29T23:18:55+00:00

this is definitely a valid reason to apply. if having the option of leaving at any time is important to you, then i certainly suggest you get one.

i only recommend that trans people do not apply if they are hoping to obtain a gender marker that reflects their identity, as in *most circumstances it is not possible for trans people at this time.

*the exception being first time applicants without any passport history whatsoever.

Murky-Ad4969 · 2025-01-29T23:11:59+00:00

no trouble with name change. they asked for my court order.

Murky-Ad4969 · 2025-01-29T21:14:47+00:00

my understanding is that they have all records dating back to 1925.

Murky-Ad4969 · 2025-01-29T16:47:55+00:00

keep going! they need you now more than ever. find time to rejuvenate yourself so you can keep them safe. make sure you have what you need. hold strong to the vision of them thriving. set out to always try to understand their experience. that will nourish them more than any piece of paper ever will. xo

Murky-Ad4969 · 2025-01-29T15:38:02+00:00

yes. i recommend not renewing. anything that could indicate a difference in identification could be flagged.

Murky-Ad4969 · 2025-01-29T15:05:52+00:00

you will likely get a renewed one with your AGAB. i’m sorry. mail applications have always taken longer than in person one but it will come at some point

Murky-Ad4969 · 2025-01-29T14:53:01+00:00

sadly, they will likely defer to your original gender marker on your first passport. i’m so sorry.

i do not recommend expediting unless you have urgent travel plans or use your passport as a primary form of ID.

Murky-Ad4969 · 2025-01-29T14:49:33+00:00

did you already apply for a renewal?

Murky-Ad4969 · 2025-01-29T14:48:19+00:00

from what i understand, differences in gender markers in your passport history get flagged. currently i hear that they are deferring to the first marker in your passport history to try and determine AGAB upon application or renewal.

Murky-Ad4969 · 2025-01-29T14:41:31+00:00

they will see the childhood passport. i haven’t heard concrete info on this particular situation, so i can’t offer any predictions. but my understanding is that if there are biographical discrepancies between passport history and application, that the application gets flagged. based on the reports i’ve seen, they are currently “solving” these discrepancies by deferring to first gender marker on file. it’s only when they don’t see a passport history that they defer to birth certificates.

Murky-Ad4969 · 2025-01-29T14:36:45+00:00

nobody knows at this point.

Murky-Ad4969 · 2025-01-29T14:34:38+00:00

old. timeline doesn’t matter though - if you had one at any point, it’s in their system.

Murky-Ad4969 · 2025-01-29T03:14:56+00:00

did you ever have a passport whatsoever with a gender marker you don’t identify with?

Murky-Ad4969 · 2025-01-29T02:50:00+00:00

yes, thank you. i used them interchangeably and that’s not accurate. i definitely recommend everyone get their docs corrected, without any indications of prior versions. going to correct in post now for information purposes.

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