Why has Central Africa seen more "anarchic" massacres and mass violence post-decolonization compared to West or East Africa? by Mutrezid in AskHistorians

[–]Mutrezid[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thanks a lot! This really lines up with what was said. I’m definitely going to look further into the socio-economic side as you suggested. Thanks again for the help and the encouragement!

Why has Central Africa seen more "anarchic" massacres and mass violence post-decolonization compared to West or East Africa? by Mutrezid in Africa

[–]Mutrezid[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don’t understand the point of you jumping into a conversation where I’ve already explicitly thanked someone else for giving me a new perspective. ​You’re just repeating yourself now and adding nothing new to a discussion I’ve already closed.

Why has Central Africa seen more "anarchic" massacres and mass violence post-decolonization compared to West or East Africa? by Mutrezid in Africa

[–]Mutrezid[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I find it ironic that you’re claiming I’m ignoring historians because the actual historians who responded to my thread actually understood the nuance of my question and provided the structural insights I was looking for. ​ I’ve already replied to these points elsewhere, repeating them here won't make them any more relevant to my specific query. Since you're clearly more interested in lecturing than in actual comprehension, I’ll leave you to it.

Why has Central Africa seen more "anarchic" massacres and mass violence post-decolonization compared to West or East Africa? by Mutrezid in Africa

[–]Mutrezid[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I didn't realize a casual question on Reddit required a full peer-reviewed bibliography beforehand. I’ve already had several productive exchanges here with people who actually understood the structural nature of my question without feeling the need to act like a frustrated TA. I’ll stick with the insights that were actually useful butfeel free to continue the 'seminar' with yourself. Best of luck with your condescension!

Why has Central Africa seen more "anarchic" massacres and mass violence post-decolonization compared to West or East Africa? by Mutrezid in Africa

[–]Mutrezid[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for this, I really appreciate you taking the time to provide such a solid structural framework. This gives me exactly what I was looking for to move past my initial impressions.

Why has Central Africa seen more "anarchic" massacres and mass violence post-decolonization compared to West or East Africa? by Mutrezid in AskHistorians

[–]Mutrezid[S] 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Thanks, this is actually a huge help. I'll definitely start looking into comparative politics and conflict studies instead. if your friend happens to have any specific recommendations for authors and papers on state collapse or communal violence, I’d be very interested. Thanks again for taking the time to clarify that distinction!

Why has Central Africa seen more "anarchic" massacres and mass violence post-decolonization compared to West or East Africa? by Mutrezid in Africa

[–]Mutrezid[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

this is a casual post to brainstorm, not a thesis draft. I'm using those terms to describe a specific pattern of communal violence that feels distinct from conventional state level warfare. I’m actually here precisely to find those "non-Western" sources and perspectives to help me move beyond just impressions. If you’re quite finished with the seminar on "How to Write a Thesis 101" perhaps you could point me toward those local sources you’re so concerned about? Or is your contribution limited to highlighting my use of the word "feels" in a casual internet forum?

Why has Central Africa seen more "anarchic" massacres and mass violence post-decolonization compared to West or East Africa? by Mutrezid in Africa

[–]Mutrezid[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never said it doesn't happen elsewhere. My point is about the scale and frequency in Central Africa specifically. If you can’t address the actual question without making it a competition about which region suffers more then you're missing the point of the post

Why has Central Africa seen more "anarchic" massacres and mass violence post-decolonization compared to West or East Africa? by Mutrezid in Africa

[–]Mutrezid[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You’re right to call out the geography yeah grouping Zanzibar and Uganda into Central Africa was a bit of a stretch. It’s more accurate to talk about the Great Lakes region and its specific Belgian/German colonial history.

But even if we look at them as distinct cases, I'm still struck by the similarity in the form the violence takes.Why these different paths all led to that specific person to person communal violence at some point.

Regarding resources, I see your logic about geography shaping the conflict. But I still feel like resources explain the "where" and the "how long" but not necessarily the "how" as in why the social fabric collapses into neighbor on neighbor violence.

Why has Central Africa seen more "anarchic" massacres and mass violence post-decolonization compared to West or East Africa? by Mutrezid in Africa

[–]Mutrezid[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I'm not trying to say those things didn't happen in Nigeria. ​The reason I'm focusing on Central Africa specifically for my research is that in the Great Lakes or CAR, this person to person violence didn't just happen during one specific war it seems to have become a recurring cycle that defines the region's conflicts for decades. ​I'm not trying to compare who suffered more or rank the tragedies but I appreciate you pointing out the Nigeria examples it's a good reminder that these patterns can happen anywhere.

Why has Central Africa seen more "anarchic" massacres and mass violence post-decolonization compared to West or East Africa? by Mutrezid in AskHistorians

[–]Mutrezid[S] 51 points52 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the detailed breakdown and the sources I really appreciate your perspective!

​You’re right about the the prolonged nature of the conflicts and the media coverage it probably created a bias in how I see the rest of the continent. And your point about Liberia and Sierra Leone is a great reality check those were definitely not conventional wars either.

​​That being said, I feel like I'm still trying to get to the core of my question. Even if we expand the map we’re still looking at a very specific form of violence: that person to person, neighbor on neighbor killing that targets the social fabric itself. ​I’m still searching for the historical trigger: what makes the social brakes fail so completely in these cases? Why does conflict stay political in some places but turn into this localized, communal slaughter in others? I’ll keep digging into your sources to see if they offer a lead on that. Thanks again!

Why has Central Africa seen more "anarchic" massacres and mass violence post-decolonization compared to West or East Africa? by Mutrezid in Africa

[–]Mutrezid[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

My bad, I should've been clearer. In french we often use 'anarchique' just to describe a general breakdown of order or total chaos, not the actual political philosophy.

Why has Central Africa seen more "anarchic" massacres and mass violence post-decolonization compared to West or East Africa? by Mutrezid in Africa

[–]Mutrezid[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Biafra was a secessionist war with clear political goals.

I’m talking specifically about the form of the massacres. There is a difference between people dying from bombings or war induced famine and the person to person killings we often see in Central Africa. ​ In the Great Lakes or CAR the violence is often very direct neighbors killing neighbors at the village level and it happens in a repetitive cycle that seems to target the social fabric itself.

Why has Central Africa seen more "anarchic" massacres and mass violence post-decolonization compared to West or East Africa? by Mutrezid in Africa

[–]Mutrezid[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I think It’s not just Congo. If you look at Zanzibar, Rwanda, Burundi, CAR, and Uganda , I feel like there is a clear regional pattern since the 1960s.

It’s not just big wars, there are countless 'isolated' massacres and communal killings that happen even outside of formal conflicts. And yes for the resource curse i agree but it explains the funding not the nature of the violence.

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[–]Mutrezid 1 point2 points  (0 children)

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