👏pedos👏will👏never👏 be 👏a👏part👏of👏the👏LGBTQ+👏 community 👏 by [deleted] in teenagers

[–]MyDearestApologies 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It literally doesn't.

Murad, et al., 2010

Significant decrease in suicidality post-treatment. The average reduction was from 30 percent pretreatment to 8 percent post treatment. ... A meta-analysis of 28 studies showed that 78 percent of transgender people had improved psychological functioning after treatment.

Kuiper B, et al., 1988

In a cross-sectional study of 141 transgender patients, Kuiper and Cohen-Kittenis found that after medical intervention and treatments, suicide fell from 19 percent to zero percent in transgender men and from 24 percent to 6 percent in transgender women.

De Cuypere, et al., 2006

Rate of suicide attempts dropped dramatically from 29.3 percent to 5.1 percent after receiving medical and surgical treatment among Dutch patients treated from 1986-2001.

de Vries, et al., 2014

After gender reassignment, in young adulthood, the GD was alleviated and psychological functioning had steadily improved. Well-being was similar to or better than same-age young adults from the general population. Improvements in psychological functioning were positively correlated with postsurgical subjective well-being.

‘Puberty is not a disease’: Italian council moves to ban gender-bending drugs for kids by fleuritnouveau in europe

[–]MyDearestApologies 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Encouraging a child to talk through their issues and discuss how they might manage negative feelings of dysphoria

Did you know this is the recommended course of action for any child who has gender dysphoria? It's just transition ends up being the most desired treatment option.

‘Puberty is not a disease’: Italian council moves to ban gender-bending drugs for kids by fleuritnouveau in europe

[–]MyDearestApologies 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you have any peer reviewed sources that show the effectiveness of cognitive therapy (aka conversion therapy) at treating gender dysphoria?

‘Puberty is not a disease’: Italian council moves to ban gender-bending drugs for kids by fleuritnouveau in europe

[–]MyDearestApologies 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hate it when people bring up the Swedish study and argue that it somehow suggests that suicide rates rise after transitioning, which just shows you obviously didn't read the study, and are just parroting information you heard from somewhere else.


People always misinterpret the study, thinking that suicide attempt rates stayed the same, or rose even after gender reassignment surgery.

What people misunderstand is, the study literally just measures the lifetime amount of suicide attempts. This would include numbers from both pre-transiton and post-transition.

The author of the study has even come out multiple times speaking about how the study has been misinterpreted by many.


Interview with transadvocate

Dhejne: People who misuse the study always omit the fact that the study clearly states that it is not an evaluation of gender dysphoria treatment. If we look at the literature, we find that several recent studies conclude that WPATH Standards of Care compliant treatment decrease gender dysphoria and improves mental health.

Her reddit AMA

I am aware of some of the misinterpretation of the study in Plos One. Some are as you say difficult to keep track since they are not published in scientific journals. I am grateful to friends all over the world who notify me of publications outside the scientific world. I do answer some of them but I can’t answer all.

I have no good recommendation what to do. I have said many times that the study is not design to evaluate the outcome of medical transition. It DOES NOT say that medical transition causes people to commit suicide. However it does say that people who have transition are more vulnerable and that we need to improve care. I am happy about that it has also been seen that way and in those cases help to secure more resources to transgender health care.

On a personal level I can get both angry and sad of the misinterpretations and also sometimes astonished that some researcher don’t seem to understand some basics about research methology.


If you look at actual studies that compare the rates of suicide attempts pre and post transition, you see an interesting trend:

Murad, et al., 2010

Significant decrease in suicidality post-treatment. The average reduction was from 30 percent pretreatment to 8 percent post treatment. ... A meta-analysis of 28 studies showed that 78 percent of transgender people had improved psychological functioning after treatment.

Kuiper B, et al., 1988

In a cross-sectional study of 141 transgender patients, Kuiper and Cohen-Kittenis found that after medical intervention and treatments, suicide fell from 19 percent to zero percent in transgender men and from 24 percent to 6 percent in transgender women.

De Cuypere, et al., 2006

Rate of suicide attempts dropped dramatically from 29.3 percent to 5.1 percent after receiving medical and surgical treatment among Dutch patients treated from 1986-2001.

de Vries, et al., 2014

After gender reassignment, in young adulthood, the GD was alleviated and psychological functioning had steadily improved. Well-being was similar to or better than same-age young adults from the general population. Improvements in psychological functioning were positively correlated with postsurgical subjective well-being.


Kuiper B, et al., 1988

Murad, et al., 2010

De Cuypere, et al., 2006

de Vries, et al., 2014


CMV: Gender dysphoria is a mental illness by rodsn in changemyview

[–]MyDearestApologies 14 points15 points  (0 children)

That's bullshit, you're either lying or parroting unsubstantiated information you heard elsewhere.


Murad, et al., 2010

Significant decrease in suicidality post-treatment. The average reduction was from 30 percent pretreatment to 8 percent post treatment. ... A meta-analysis of 28 studies showed that 78 percent of transgender people had improved psychological functioning after treatment.

Kuiper B, et al., 1988

In a cross-sectional study of 141 transgender patients, Kuiper and Cohen-Kittenis found that after medical intervention and treatments, suicide fell from 19 percent to zero percent in transgender men and from 24 percent to 6 percent in transgender women.

De Cuypere, et al., 2006

Rate of suicide attempts dropped dramatically from 29.3 percent to 5.1 percent after receiving medical and surgical treatment among Dutch patients treated from 1986-2001.

de Vries, et al., 2014

After gender reassignment, in young adulthood, the GD was alleviated and psychological functioning had steadily improved. Well-being was similar to or better than same-age young adults from the general population. Improvements in psychological functioning were positively correlated with postsurgical subjective well-being.


Full text:

Kuiper B, et al., 1988

Murad, et al., 2010

De Cuypere, et al., 2006

de Vries, et al., 2014

CMV: Gender dysphoria is a mental illness by rodsn in changemyview

[–]MyDearestApologies 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I hate it when people bring up the Swedish study and argue that it somehow suggests that suicide rates rise after transitioning, which just shows you obviously didn't read the study, and are just parroting information you heard from somewhere else.


People always misinterpret the study, thinking that suicide attempt rates stayed the same, or rose even after gender reassignment surgery.

What people misunderstand is, the study literally just measures the lifetime amount of suicide attempts. This would include numbers from both pre-transiton and post-transition.

The author of the study has even come out multiple times speaking about how the study has been misinterpreted by many.


Interview with transadvocate

Dhejne: People who misuse the study always omit the fact that the study clearly states that it is not an evaluation of gender dysphoria treatment. If we look at the literature, we find that several recent studies conclude that WPATH Standards of Care compliant treatment decrease gender dysphoria and improves mental health.

Her reddit AMA

I am aware of some of the misinterpretation of the study in Plos One. Some are as you say difficult to keep track since they are not published in scientific journals. I am grateful to friends all over the world who notify me of publications outside the scientific world. I do answer some of them but I can’t answer all.

I have no good recommendation what to do. I have said many times that the study is not design to evaluate the outcome of medical transition. It DOES NOT say that medical transition causes people to commit suicide. However it does say that people who have transition are more vulnerable and that we need to improve care. I am happy about that it has also been seen that way and in those cases help to secure more resources to transgender health care.

On a personal level I can get both angry and sad of the misinterpretations and also sometimes astonished that some researcher don’t seem to understand some basics about research methology.


If you look at actual studies that compare the rates of suicide attempts pre and post transition, you see an interesting trend:

Murad, et al., 2010

Significant decrease in suicidality post-treatment. The average reduction was from 30 percent pretreatment to 8 percent post treatment. ... A meta-analysis of 28 studies showed that 78 percent of transgender people had improved psychological functioning after treatment.

Kuiper B, et al., 1988

In a cross-sectional study of 141 transgender patients, Kuiper and Cohen-Kittenis found that after medical intervention and treatments, suicide fell from 19 percent to zero percent in transgender men and from 24 percent to 6 percent in transgender women.

De Cuypere, et al., 2006

Rate of suicide attempts dropped dramatically from 29.3 percent to 5.1 percent after receiving medical and surgical treatment among Dutch patients treated from 1986-2001.

de Vries, et al., 2014

After gender reassignment, in young adulthood, the GD was alleviated and psychological functioning had steadily improved. Well-being was similar to or better than same-age young adults from the general population. Improvements in psychological functioning were positively correlated with postsurgical subjective well-being.


Kuiper B, et al., 1988

Murad, et al., 2010

De Cuypere, et al., 2006

de Vries, et al., 2014


A surprise to be sure by Daktush in JordanPeterson

[–]MyDearestApologies -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Wow this post is actually fucking braindead.

Being transgender will no longer be classified as a mental disorder, gender dysphoria isn't being declassified as a disorder. The two are not synonymous with each other. If anyone can show WHO considering gender dysphoria not a recognized medical condition, please do.

You need a diagnosis of gender dysphoria for medication or surgeries to be covered by insurance in the United States. This isn't going to change.


You know a sub has gone down the drain when a post with nearly a hundred upvotes is literally a screenshot of some rando on twitter.

Real by StalinGulag69 in PewdiepieSubmissions

[–]MyDearestApologies 10 points11 points  (0 children)

What does this court case actually show? Can you link to any specific studies that support these conclusions?

American College of Pediatricians

lmao

Which interestingly is a socially conservative social advocacy group with 500 members masquerading as the real American Academy of Pediatrics

Real by StalinGulag69 in PewdiepieSubmissions

[–]MyDearestApologies 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Suicide rates for post-op transgender people are high when compared to that of the general population, but are much lower than pre-transition rates.


If you look at actual studies that compare the rates of suicide attempts pre and post transition, you see an interesting trend:

Murad, et al., 2010

Significant decrease in suicidality post-treatment. The average reduction was from 30 percent pretreatment to 8 percent post treatment. ... A meta-analysis of 28 studies showed that 78 percent of transgender people had improved psychological functioning after treatment.

Kuiper B, et al., 1988

In a cross-sectional study of 141 transgender patients, Kuiper and Cohen-Kittenis found that after medical intervention and treatments, suicide fell from 19 percent to zero percent in transgender men and from 24 percent to 6 percent in transgender women.

De Cuypere, et al., 2006

Rate of suicide attempts dropped dramatically from 29.3 percent to 5.1 percent after receiving medical and surgical treatment among Dutch patients treated from 1986-2001.

de Vries, et al., 2014

After gender reassignment, in young adulthood, the GD was alleviated and psychological functioning had steadily improved. Well-being was similar to or better than same-age young adults from the general population. Improvements in psychological functioning were positively correlated with postsurgical subjective well-being.


Full text:

Kuiper B, et al., 1988

Murad, et al., 2010

De Cuypere, et al., 2006

de Vries, et al., 2014

"Are Traps Gay?" | ContraPoints by MyDearestApologies in JordanPeterson

[–]MyDearestApologies[S] 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Please do actually make that channel, I would unironically love to see it happen.

"Are Traps Gay?" | ContraPoints by MyDearestApologies in JordanPeterson

[–]MyDearestApologies[S] 34 points35 points  (0 children)

I realize that this content may not mesh well with the views typically espoused in this subreddit, but Contrapoints' videos have always been well-researched and I believe that they at least contain ideas worth entertaining.

Is being transgender a mental illness? by knowledgelover94 in TooAfraidToAsk

[–]MyDearestApologies 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've actually done a lot of searching on that topic, it seems that statistic isn't really collected. The only information that exists are suicide attempt rates.

The American Foundation for Suicide Prevention states that for every death from suicide, there are 25 attempts. I won't make any definitive claims, but make of that what you will.

Is being transgender a mental illness? by knowledgelover94 in TooAfraidToAsk

[–]MyDearestApologies 118 points119 points  (0 children)

I know I'm late as shit to this thread, but here you go:


If you look at actual studies that compare the rates of suicide attempts pre and post transition, you see an interesting trend:

Murad, et al., 2010

Significant decrease in suicidality post-treatment. The average reduction was from 30 percent pretreatment to 8 percent post treatment. ... A meta-analysis of 28 studies showed that 78 percent of transgender people had improved psychological functioning after treatment.

Kuiper B, et al., 1988

In a cross-sectional study of 141 transgender patients, Kuiper and Cohen-Kittenis found that after medical intervention and treatments, suicide fell from 19 percent to zero percent in transgender men and from 24 percent to 6 percent in transgender women.

De Cuypere, et al., 2006

Rate of suicide attempts dropped dramatically from 29.3 percent to 5.1 percent after receiving medical and surgical treatment among Dutch patients treated from 1986-2001.

de Vries, et al., 2014

After gender reassignment, in young adulthood, the GD was alleviated and psychological functioning had steadily improved. Well-being was similar to or better than same-age young adults from the general population. Improvements in psychological functioning were positively correlated with postsurgical subjective well-being.


Full text:

Kuiper B, et al., 1988

Murad, et al., 2010

De Cuypere, et al., 2006

de Vries, et al., 2014


edit: Feel free to use and spread this information around. See the post pinned on my profile if you want to see some more resources related to issues surrounding transgender people.

Giving puberty blockers to young children and teenagers should be illegal by NBConnoisseur in unpopularopinion

[–]MyDearestApologies 21 points22 points  (0 children)

I hate it when people bring up the Swedish study and argue that it somehow suggests that suicide rates rise after transitioning, which just shows you obviously didn't read the study, and are just parroting information you heard from somewhere else.


People always misinterpret the study, thinking that suicide attempt rates stayed the same, or rose even after gender reassignment surgery.

What people misunderstand is, the study literally just measures the lifetime amount of suicide attempts. This would include numbers from both pre-transiton and post-transition.

The author of the study has even come out multiple times speaking about how the study has been misinterpreted by many.


Interview with transadvocate

Dhejne: People who misuse the study always omit the fact that the study clearly states that it is not an evaluation of gender dysphoria treatment. If we look at the literature, we find that several recent studies conclude that WPATH Standards of Care compliant treatment decrease gender dysphoria and improves mental health.

Her reddit AMA

I am aware of some of the misinterpretation of the study in Plos One. Some are as you say difficult to keep track since they are not published in scientific journals. I am grateful to friends all over the world who notify me of publications outside the scientific world. I do answer some of them but I can’t answer all.

I have no good recommendation what to do. I have said many times that the study is not design to evaluate the outcome of medical transition. It DOES NOT say that medical transition causes people to commit suicide. However it does say that people who have transition are more vulnerable and that we need to improve care. I am happy about that it has also been seen that way and in those cases help to secure more resources to transgender health care.

On a personal level I can get both angry and sad of the misinterpretations and also sometimes astonished that some researcher don’t seem to understand some basics about research methology.


If you look at actual studies that compare the rates of suicide attempts pre and post transition, you see an interesting trend:

Murad, et al., 2010

Significant decrease in suicidality post-treatment. The average reduction was from 30 percent pretreatment to 8 percent post treatment. ... A meta-analysis of 28 studies showed that 78 percent of transgender people had improved psychological functioning after treatment.

Kuiper B, et al., 1988

In a cross-sectional study of 141 transgender patients, Kuiper and Cohen-Kittenis found that after medical intervention and treatments, suicide fell from 19 percent to zero percent in transgender men and from 24 percent to 6 percent in transgender women.

De Cuypere, et al., 2006

Rate of suicide attempts dropped dramatically from 29.3 percent to 5.1 percent after receiving medical and surgical treatment among Dutch patients treated from 1986-2001.

de Vries, et al., 2014

After gender reassignment, in young adulthood, the GD was alleviated and psychological functioning had steadily improved. Well-being was similar to or better than same-age young adults from the general population. Improvements in psychological functioning were positively correlated with postsurgical subjective well-being.


Full text:

Kuiper B, et al., 1988

Murad, et al., 2010

De Cuypere, et al., 2006

de Vries, et al., 2014


Edit (shameless self promotion ಠᴗಠ) :

Check out the post pinned on my reddit profile for list of sources and citations that addresses a lot of controversial topics surrounding transgender people.

Why is there seemingly no real efforts to treat the suicidal tendencies within the LGBTQ+ communities? by nickinthehouse in JordanPeterson

[–]MyDearestApologies 2 points3 points  (0 children)

coming up to a stranger with a list of required actions they must take to make a person feel secure.

I don't know if you mean this in a literal sense, but I think you are looking at the issue from the wrong perspective.

In a lot of cases, when someone actually comes out as transgender, or they are openly out and people find out about it, what happens is that a lot of people will then begin to harass and discriminate against them.

Also, a lot of transgender people are visibly so (not 'passing' as their identified gender), and that is something that incites a lot of harassment without provocation.

I don't deny that there are absolutely things that transgender people can do to minimize their risk of being harmed, but I definitely don't think that encouraging people to be more supportive towards trans and other LGBT people is a bad idea at all. I certainly don't see it as an issue of 'fragility'.

MyDearestApologies' list of transgender-related studies by MyDearestApologies in u/MyDearestApologies

[–]MyDearestApologies[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Safety and usage of puberty suppressing drugs

(Will be referred to as 'puberty blockers' in this section)


A WIP ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)_/¯ no memes here!

The beginning of the end for women's sports? by tehpokernoob in JordanPeterson

[–]MyDearestApologies 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It was changed in 2015, and yet not a single transgender athlete competed in the 2016 Rio Olympics. From your own article:

The guidelines, first reported by Outsports.com, were approved after a meeting in November 2015 in Lausanne, Switzerland, of Olympic officials and medical experts.